what do you reckon..button experts..

[Des from down under]

Hi from n/z..I went for a detect below an old forgotten by history armed constabulary site late yesterday and out of a lot of blackberry and hawthorn I dug these two brass whatevers..first hoping they were my first button but alas..they have a hole in them..around the outside it says..W.IPSWICH.LONDON. Im hoping you guys are gonna tell me the W is for war department..the little button in the middle is a funny one for n/z, I got it some distance from the last dig and at four inches this button popped up..It looks like mother of pearl but the little brass emblem in the middle says..GREAT SEAL OF THE STATES OF OKLAHOMA..1807 could this be for real ? and why did it lay under n/z soil !!..love your thoughts guys..cheers des

 

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[BuckleBoy]

What does the backmark on the button say?

 

[vayank54]

The 2 outside pieces look like grommets to a tent or tarp. The W. Ipswich is the makers name. The center button is an Oklahoma state seal but I don't think it's very old. If you could post a pic of the back that would help.

 

[Des from down under]

thanks guys ..with a powerfull magnifier I cant pick up a thing on it...

 

[BuckleBoy]

thanks guys ..with a powerfull magnifier I cant pick up a thing on it...

Even just a photo of the back could help us date it.

It's not as early as the date printed on it. That is likely a commemorative date of some sort.

 

[vayank54]

I had to look this up but it should have 1907 on it. That is the year that it was admitted as a state.
Thanks buckleboy for jarring my memory with what you said about a commerative date. I'm thinking that button is probably mid1900's but just guessing

 

[Des from down under]

I appreciate the time you guys are giving ,I will take a close up shot in the morning and post to you...cheers buckle boy and vay yank54..yikes what a neat forum of experts ..

 

[johnnyi]

Des, it seems to be this button; http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache...ahoma+button+plastic&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 

[Des from down under]

back shot of button ..thanks again

 

[Des from down under]

oh yeah johnny, looks like it..thanks heaps back to looking for my first military one now...what a site this is...

 

[tinpan]

Hi Des do you think that this button may come from one of the sailors of "The Great White Fleet" Which visited NZ in 1908 ??

tinpan

 

[Des from down under]

well tinpan...could we have been so lucky..lot of americans living here and they make damn good neighbours too..love the outdoors like us kiwis..thanks for all that..des

 

[tinpan]

well tinpan...could we have been so lucky..lot of americans living here and they make damn good neighbours too..love the outdoors like us kiwis..thanks for all that..des

gee you was so lucky in 1908 16 battleships and 14,000 americans

tinpan

 

[allen]

good job on the id !!!