what type of bullet do you think these are..???

[Des from down under]

hi all, I found these at an old fort site here in lil ole n/z...1869 till it was disbanded around the mid 1880s.....they are different to what i mostly find, like the .577 enfeilds... I have propped them up on a british 6lb roundshot showing the enfeild in the middle, a deformed one in question on the left and the one on the right is pretty mint.....they are the same diameter as the .577 but have four rings and a wooden plug in the base..would appreciate any thoughts ...thanks team....

 

[Iron Patch]

Don't know, but I'll follow the thread because we find them here.

 

[trikikiwi]

I continue to be impressed with your finds Mate

 

[CRUSADER]

I found a load of these with my smooth & 3 ringers down the old range. I had an ID for them but forgot. Might be the snider, but they are interchangable with the Enfield (I believe)

PS. I'm sure someone will ID soon, if not I will dig out the email with the IDs when at home.

 

[Des from down under]

I found a load of these with my smooth & 3 ringers down the old range. I had an ID for them but forgot. Might be the snider, but they are interchangable with the Enfield (I believe)

PS. I'm sure someone will ID soon, if not I will dig out the email with the IDs when at home.

THANKS MY OLE MATE CRU...BE GOOD...BIN AWAY FOR AWHILE ..ILL LOOK AT YOUR POSTS ..NOW// PS I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT ..SNIDER AROUND 1884 !!

 

[allen_idaho]

Could it be a .54 caliber Sharps bullet? That is the only on I can think of that looks anything like that.

 

[CRUSADER]

I found a load of these with my smooth & 3 ringers down the old range. I had an ID for them but forgot. Might be the snider, but they are interchangable with the Enfield (I believe)

PS. I'm sure someone will ID soon, if not I will dig out the email with the IDs when at home.

THANKS MY OLE MATE CRU...BE GOOD...BIN AWAY FOR AWHILE ..ILL LOOK AT YOUR POSTS ..NOW// PS I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT ..SNIDER AROUND 1884 !!

Forgot, mine are exactly the same but with a red clay inserts instead of wood (not sure of the difference, ie. date related or ease of manufacture ) - never had a wood one yet, & got 100 or so.

Also forgot to welcome you back, a lot has happened

Checked the email, it is the Snider ('although some grooved bullets were tested in the muzzle loading Enfields')

 

[fyrffytr1]

I pulled this tid-bit from another site. Hope it sheds some light on the subject.


The Snider rifle was a .577 cal. breech loader, it was approved in 1866. The first Sniders were converted P/53 Enfield rifles.

This bullet is the Mark I Snider bullet, the complete cartridge shown here would be called Cartridge Ball Mark I. The word "Mark" replacing the word "Pattern" which is used on earlier British firearms and ammunition. The cartridge was designed by Col. Boxer and was approved for use in 1866. The Snider bullets can be found in Marks I - IX, the variations are not great, but they can have 3 or 4 cannelures (rings) a baked clay or solid iron cavity plug, and with the wooden pin or lead spun over nose cavity.

The purpose of the hollowed tip was to cause a more stable flight. The first (Mark I) bullets had a wooden pin inserted in the cavity as you can see in the picture in the original message above. Later versions still had the hollow tip, but it was spun over with lead and would look like a regular bullet. It was later found that these bullets inflicted serious wounds and use of the hollow tip bullets was discontinued for military use.

I guess this could represent one of the first hollow points even though the original intent was to improve ballistics, not to inflict a more serious wound on the enemy.

These are definitely NOT explosive bullets, I too have them sold as explosive. Once again, they come from Prince Edward Island Canada and England.

 

[Des from down under]

I pulled this tid-bit from another site. Hope it sheds some light on the subject.


The Snider rifle was a .577 cal. breech loader, it was approved in 1866. The first Sniders were converted P/53 Enfield rifles.

This bullet is the Mark I Snider bullet, the complete cartridge shown here would be called Cartridge Ball Mark I. The word "Mark" replacing the word "Pattern" which is used on earlier British firearms and ammunition. The cartridge was designed by Col. Boxer and was approved for use in 1866. The Snider bullets can be found in Marks I - IX, the variations are not great, but they can have 3 or 4 cannelures (rings) a baked clay or solid iron cavity plug, and with the wooden pin or lead spun over nose cavity.

The purpose of the hollowed tip was to cause a more stable flight. The first (Mark I) bullets had a wooden pin inserted in the cavity as you can see in the picture in the original message above. Later versions still had the hollow tip, but it was spun over with lead and would look like a regular bullet. It was later found that these bullets inflicted serious wounds and use of the hollow tip bullets was discontinued for military use.

I guess this could represent one of the first hollow points even though the original intent was to improve ballistics, not to inflict a more serious wound on the enemy.

These are definitely NOT explosive bullets, I too have them sold as explosive. Once again, they come from Prince Edward Island Canada and England.

thanks heaps for that and crusader too..on closer inspection the plug is a clay type substanse..so fits into what you both state..you are a credit to the forum..cheers des

 

[Iron Patch]

I found a load of these with my smooth & 3 ringers down the old range. I had an ID for them but forgot. Might be the snider, but they are interchangable with the Enfield (I believe)

PS. I'm sure someone will ID soon, if not I will dig out the email with the IDs when at home.

I'm pretty sure I did also have an ID at one point having exchanged a few emails with a CW era bullet expert. I'm not really interested in bullets otherwise I would write him again. Once I traded one to a guy in Alabama for a very nice Colonial John Law Sol. I also have very little interest in coins I haven't found so I gave it to a friend. In hind-sight maybe I should have paid attention to the date and mintmark becaause it might have been a good one. Now I would rather not know.

 

[Des from down under]

I found a load of these with my smooth & 3 ringers down the old range. I had an ID for them but forgot. Might be the snider, but they are interchangable with the Enfield (I believe)

PS. I'm sure someone will ID soon, if not I will dig out the email with the IDs when at home.

I'm pretty sure I did also have an ID at one point having exchanged a few emails with a CW era bullet expert. I'm not really interested in bullets otherwise I would write him again. Once I traded one to a guy in Alabama for a very nice Colonial John Law Sol. I also have very little interest in coins I haven't found so I gave it to a friend. In hind-sight maybe I should have paid attention to the date and mintmark becaause it might have been a good one. Now I would rather not know.

thanks iron patch for your intrest..des