When Cherokees were Cherokees...."Red Ochre" dowsing

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If you wait on this link, the page will go to the "DIVINATION & DIVINING STONES" section of the page. WHEN Cherokees WERE Cherokee ----quote---"Plummets were commonly used to divine the location of a lost object or person."-----quote-----"A formula would be uttered, and in time the plummet would begin to swing, and the direction in which it swung most strongly would be the direction in which to search." Plummet description---quote---- "A plummet was a small lump of red ocher or some other earth held between the thumb and index finger of the right hand. The left hand was held, with fingers extended, in front of the right."

There is a lot of info compiled on this page, about what Cherokee culture used to be like. I found some info on dowsing. Red ochre plummets or plumb bobs aka. pendulum were used to find lost objects. A piece of red ochre type plummet used as a pendulum held in one hand. A formula used included saying something and waiting for it to start swinging in a direction. The index finger while held in front of the other hand used for to point, probably in the direction of the search area.
 

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Cherokee gold activity, link for another spot on same page.
http://www.angelfire.com/ok4/oukah7/#GOLD

It seems by the sources quoted there, most of the gold acumulated was in the form of gold nuggets found in streams.
 

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Document---GEORGE R. GILMER.(By the Governor):Everard Hamilton, Sec'ry of State. ----Georgia Claims Cherokee's Gold, 1830 (From The Cherokee Phoenix) New Echota, Ga. June 26, 1830---Link, Murray County Museum - Old News Stories -----"The other proclamation relates to the gold mines. What now becomes of the old plea that force is not meditated? If Georgia can drive the Cherokees from their gold mines, she may with equal propriety drive them from their other possessions. Well, as we have no more a father to protect us, we can but look on and watch the progress of injustice and high-handed oppression."-A PROCLAMATION, GEORGIA---By His Excellency GEO. R. GILMER, Governor and Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of this State and of the Militia thereof. Whereas it has been discovered that the lands in the territory now occupied by the Cherokee Indians within the limits of this, abound with valuable minerals, and especially gold-- And whereas the State of Georgia has the fee simple title to said lands, and the entire and exclusive property in the gold and silver therein: And whereas numerous persons, citizens of this and other States, together with the Indian occupants of said territory, taking advantage of the law of this State, by which its jurisdiction over said territory was not assumed until the first day of June last past, have been engaged in digging for gold in said land, and taking therefrom great amounts in value, thereby appropriating riches to themselves when of right equally belonged to every other citizen of the State, and in violation of the rights of the State, & to the injury of its public resources--And whereas the absence of legal restraint and the nature of their pursuit, have caused a state of society to exist among said persons, too disorderly to be permitted to continue--And whereas the by the act of the last Legislature to add the territory within the occupancy of the Cherokee Indians, included in the limits of this State, to the counties of Carroll, DeKalb, Gwinnett, Hall and Habersham, and to render void and disannul all Cherokee laws, the jurisdiction of this State is now extended over said territory, and all persons therein made subject thereto:--Now for the purpose of removing all persons from the lands of this State in the territory aforesaid, except such as are permitted by the laws or assent of this State to occupy the same; to secure to the State its property n the minerals therein, and to put an end to the lawless state of society which has hitherto existed among the gold diggers in said territory, I have thought proper to issue this my Proclamation, notifying all persons whom it may concern, that the jurisdiction of this territory in the occupancy of the Cherokees, included within the limits of this State, and which was by an act passed by the last Legislature of this State, made a part of the counties of Carroll, Dekalb, Gwinnett, Hall or Habersham, and that all persons residing therein, are subject to the said jurisdiction; and to warn all persons whether citizens of this or other States, or Indian occupants, from all further trespass upon the property of this State, and especially from taking any gold or silver from the lands included within the territory occupied by the Cherokee Indians, and so as aforesaid added to the counties aforesaid, and to direct all persons to quit possession of said lands and depart from said territory without delay, except such as by law of the assent of the State are permitted to occupy the same, and to require all officers of the State within the counties aforesaid to be vigilant in enforcing the laws for the protection of public property, and especially to prevent any further trespass upon the lands of the State, or the taking any gold or silver there from.--Giver under my hand; and the Great Seal of the State-House in Milledgeville, this third day of June, in the year of our Lord eighteen hundred and thirty, and of American Independence the fifty-fourth.
 

They knew how to dowse future events. Something we still need to polish :icon_thumright:
It is important to note that the word "death" carries huge weight and negative energy in the western civilization.
It is loaded with fear.
So do many other words.
When reading the text we must take off our modern glasses.
 

hello red, thanks so much for the link on 'when cherokees were cherokees'.. that will give anyone who is shut in a lot to read. extremely interesting too. i like the part of dowsing with ochre. have you tried that method?
thanks again
 

I've used a similar finger point with pendulum with success. As for red ochre as a pendulum, haven;t tried it yet.
 

hello red, thanks so much for the link on 'when cherokees were cherokees'.. that will give anyone who is shut in a lot to read. extremely interesting too. i like the part of dowsing with ochre. have you tried that method?
thanks again
Here is a story of Raccoon Mountain, from an old news article back in 1914. I definitely wouldn't try their methods, but had to really laugh at the spooky experiences down in the Cherokee cave.
Raccoon Mountain in Chattanooga has ghostly history - Chattanooga Historic Destinations | Examiner.com

Spirit Cave Story


In 1914, a contributor to the Chattanooga Times wrote about the adventures of one would-be gold digger, a man he called “Bolt.” (You’ll soon know why.) Bolt had attended a séance during which, he said, he was visited by the spirit of a departed friend. The friend revealed to Bolt the location of a cave near Chattanooga with a cache of silver that would lead to fabulous wealth.

Armed with a chart rendered from the minute descriptions provided by the “spirit,” a team of men made their way through the wild woods of Raccoon Mountain—though they had to struggle to overcome the strange behavior of their horses, who seemed spooked as the team drew near the mysterious cave entrance.

Lashed together, the men descended into the gloomy depths of the cave. As they traversed the narrow passages, they marveled at the pictures of animals on the walls, the man-made anterooms or sleeping quarters, and the arrowheads that littered the floors of caves that were clearly well used. According to the Times, they also heard unexplained noises and experienced eerie sensations that sent them running: “Neither of the men could fully explain it but they seemed to be joined by an invisible something or somebody. . . . they literally flew out of the small entrance and dashed madly toward the mouth of the cave.”

Led by their otherworldly guide to the hidden cave entrance, these treasure hunters tried time and again to penetrate the maze of passageways under Raccoon Mountain, boldly searching for the treasures of legendary chieftains and robbers, but daunted by the mysterious occurrences which befell each attempt. Written 75 years after the Cherokee left their land, the Times account makes it easy to imagine that these treasure seekers battled the specter of those angry spirits in those caves, some populated by a peculiar species of blind fish living in a rapid-flowing stream of unknown depth.

 

hey red, very interesting story. i have never had anything happen to me personally like that but have been friends with some who had chilling stories like that. if it ever happens to me, my name may turn out to be 'streak', or white lightnin'.
my brother and i found red ochre in some clam shells once but did'nt realize what it was at that time.
 

Some here on TreasureNet have Cherokee ancestors, you can find out by typing in either great grandfather's last name or grandmother's or grandmother'smaiden last name. Search the final roles---- Search the Final Rolls
 

In late 2006, bought my Canon DSLR 400. Set up lights in the basement with a background (which didn't turn out so good), took a lot of self portraits. Got out the old clothes don't wear anymore. The western style, had 2 pics, the one is now my avatar.

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It was then I noticed something about my pic, a possibility that there might be a little Native American somewhere in my background.

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The other pic it wasn't really obvious. The following spring learned there seems to have been a little Cherokee.
 

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