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We don’t often get the origin story for lost mine accounts. According to the excellent Treasures of the Santa Catalina Mountains by Robert Zucker (2014) this is “the earliest published account…. This article was the first mention, in print, of a door actually made of iron that sealed off an old, Spanish mine.”


THE IRON DOOR MINE.
---
The Nine Mile City of the
Santa Catarinas.
---
The Story as Told to Our Corres-
Pendent.

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In yesterday’s STAR we promised to publish the balance of a communication received from the Santa Catarinas, and here it is:

MARTIN & WELDON’s CAMP. }
Feb. 24, 1880 }​

Yesterday there were two men stopped here, and they had a very interesting story to tell, and I here furnish to the STAR for publication the text of it, but I do not authenticate it, as sometimes prospectors are liable to exaggerate. Probably all of the old Arizonans in this vicinity have heard the tradition of the Santa Catarinas, and for the benefit of those that have not I will give the outline of it: --

About one hundred years ago the Jesuits held full sway over the population in this territory, and at that time they had large fields under cultivation, and many men employed delving in the earth after the precious metals and the turquoise stone. At that time the principal gold mines were situated in these mountains, and there was a place called Nueva Mia Ciudad, having a monster church with a number of golden bells that were used to summon the laborers from the fields and mines, and a short distance from this city, which was situated on a plateau, was a mountain that had a mine of such fabulous richness that the miners used to cut the gold out with a hacheta.

At the time of the Francisans [sic] acquiring supremacy the Jesuits fled, leaving the city destitute of population; before their flight they placed an iron door on the mine and secured it in such a manner that it would require a considerable time to unfasten it. There were only two entrances to the city and they also were closed and all traces obliterated so as to throw the San Franciscans off the road to this Nueva Mia city.

These are the facts of the tradition as briefly stated herein, and now for the story of the prospectors, or whoever they may be.

They told me that they had come here on January 10th, 1880, for the express purpose of exploring the mountains for Nueva Mia Ciudad (nine mile city) and the mine of the iron door. We had heard for years of this place but did not put any credence in it; but about five months ago we were traveling in Sonora on a prospecting tour, and one night we stopped near the town of Caborea with an old Mexican and his wife, and he was asking of Arizona and other matters and at last about mining.

We gave him all the information we could, and told how Tombstone was booming camp, when he spoke up and asked us if we ever had heard of the mine of the iron door? We said yes, but that we did not place any confidence in the story. He says I do, because I have a book here that my grandfather had, and that he was one of the inhabitants of the Nueva Mia city.

We became excited over this statement and asked him to produce the book. He went into an inner room and returned with book covered with a black cloth and leaves of parchment. He gave it to us and we opened it and found that it was written in a bold, round hand, but very faded. We judge it had at least 400 pages, and contained a kind of a diary of events of those days, a history of his life, and a description of the Nueva Mia city and how to reach it; also full directions how to find the mine of the iron door. We offered to buy the book of the old man at a good round figure. No, he said, I don’t want to part with it, for it is the last remnant of this old family but we could copy any part of it that we wished. We camped there for several days, making extracts from the book, and one in particular which we now remember: “I worked to-day with ten other men, and we took out 200 pounds of gold.” You can imagine what excitement it caused with us. After getting all the information we desired from the old book we packed up our provision and started for Arizona.

We having business in Florence, we proceded [sic] there and outfitted. One of us was taken sick, and we were consequently delayed until January 10.

When we arrived in the Canada del Oro, from the descriptions we found it would be necessary to proceed on foot from this point, and turning our horses and burros loose to shift for themselves, we shouldered our packs, and took the middle canon that lead in an easterly direction from Canada del Oro. It was about noon as we started up the canyon, and we were not quite sure that we would reach the place where water was said to exist the year round by our directions, but we plodded onward and upward over the largest boulder, now passing through places where the very top of the canyon would fairly join, and then opening out larger in box shape. Toward evening we came to a living spring of water, and there we camped for the night. Everything passed off finely that night, with the exception of the bears coming uncomfortably close, and the thrilling scream of the panther.

In the morning we cooked our breakfast, and as we sat down to partake of it we took out our directions and examined them. We found that after we had traversed the canyon for a distance of about five miles we would come to where it was divided, and that we must take the right hand canyon and journey up it for a half mile when it would come to an abrupt end with precipitous sides, and that on close scrutiny would find on the left side steps cut that would lead upward to a shelving rock, and there would appear to be a mouth to a cave, and to push onward through this and you would come out on a shelf of rock on the other side.

After finishing our breakfast we followed up this large canyon about four miles, when we came to where it divided into two. We took the right hand one, and in the course of half an hour we came to where the canyon suddenly became walled in on three sides, and after a considerable hunting we discovered what seemed to be an old stairway cut in the rock; we had a terrible time in getting up them as they were nearly obliterated by the decade of time, and we kept slipping back and back but at last we reached a shelving rock, and on the face of the perpendicular wall was an opening that would admit of an entrance to a full grown person. We held a consultation together as whether we had better proceed or return, and at twig-pulling [?] it was decided that we should enter.

We took some candles from our pack, unslung our “Henry’s” [rifles?] in case of emergency, and passed in the opening. We had not got far when a large flock of bats commenced circling around us, attracted by our lights.

The place was chilly but perfectly dry; in size it varied, first opening in a vaulted chamber of large proportions, and then closing into a narrow passage, and in one place we noticed an inspection engraven in the wall in Latin – Dominus vobiscum [“The Lord be with you”], and from that we commenced to gain more confidence that we were on the right track.

In about an hour we saw a light ahead, and in a few minutes we came to an opening, we passed through, and down about 200 feet below us was the finest scenery that we ever beheld. It was a tract of land covered with pines and oaks, broken by small hills, and through it passed a stream of water that glistened like silver. We looked for a place to descent but could find none. We took the ropes of our packs and spliced them together, and secured them in such a manner around a jutting rock that they could be unlodged from below.

We lowered our packs and guns, and then descended, hand over hand. We sat at the bottom for some time examining our directions; they told us that by traveling in an easterly direction we would come to the Nueva Mia Ciudad.

They did not give us the distance, so we concluded we would find water and pitch stakes for the night, in about twenty minutes we came to the stream of water that we mentioned before; it was literally alive with trout, and without any difficulty we secured enough for supper, and as we were cleaning them we notice shining particles in the stream.

We took our bread pan and washed it and in it was about a dollar’s worth of gold. You cannot imagine what en [sic – an] exciting time it caused. I don’t think we will ever forget it in our life. Then we were doubly anxious to look for the old city and the mine with the iron door; but we had to content ourselves for the night, but I can assure you we did not get much sleep. Before daybreak we had our breakfast and had everything packed for an early start. We set our compass and started easterly, and had not gone more than a mile before we came on to ruins, which, as we proceeded, grew larger and could be seen for two miles in width. We think, probably, that we had worked four miles when we came upon a stone building (granite and marble) that was in a fair state of preservation excepting the roof which had fallen in; the structure was something after the style of the old Cocospari [sic] church in Sonora, and we decided that this must have been the place of worship for the people of this once populus city. Here we spent some time in looking over this edifice searching for gold and silver which was buried in the church, but having no tools we could do nothing.

We camped here for several days looking over the old ruins, and found several stones bearing inscriptions in Latin. We then changed our camping ground and commenced to look for the mine of the Iron door, and after three days of searching we found it. The old door was eaten off by rust, and the bars of iron that secured it laying down at the mount of the tunnel.

We were afraid to enter for fear of wild beasts; but the love of excitement got the best of us and we entered. We saw at the commencement that the vein was about ten inches wide with a talk gouge, and, as we neared the end of the tunnel, which must have been about 400 feet in length, the air became very foul, but we pushed through; there we found some old iron resembling in shape the pick, we took it up and struck it in the vein and to our amazement the gold rolled down in nuggets to the floor.

Such a sight we never before saw. We worked for several days on the mine with the old tools there, and we will show you what we took out.

[Here the two men unpacked from their burros and showed me, I should judge, 100 pounds of pure gold in nuggets.] We put on our location notice and packed up, and have got back as far as this. We go to Florence and will return as soon as possible. I asked them if they thought it would pay me to go and locate placer claims, and they told me most assuredly. I and my partners leave to-morrow for the Nine Mile City. If a lie we will stand it; if not, so much the better. I tell you those golden nuggets give us a good deal of faith; and further, I am one of the oldest prospectors in these mountains and I have never known anyone to go up these canyons. I will write you as soon as I return.

Respectfully,

REDOUBTABLE.

~ Arizona Daily Star [Tucson, Arizona [Territory] 28 February 1880
~ Arizona Weekly Star [Tucson, A.T.] 4 March 1880 [Vol. 3. NO. 7.]

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As noted, the above follows an article from the previous day’s newspaper. This piece has nothing to do with the Mine With The Iron Door or the Nueva Mia Cuidad (mistranslated, of course, as “Nine Mile” City when it should be “New Mia City” – but, as Father Polzer pointed out, bad Spanish is sometimes an essential element in lost mine yarns).

However, since it is mentioned, to save the serious researcher the time and effort to locate a copy only to learn that it has no useful information, the first part is below.


Santa Catarinas.

From a long correspondence, received to-day, from the Old Hat district, we dense the following:

Developments are being steadily pushed on the American Flag mine, bonded by Messrs. Laurens and Henicke to James and Abbott, of Globe. At a depth of fifty feet it shows three feet and nine inches of black sulphuret ore, with fine walls and a good gouge. Assays give from $500 to $2,000 per ton. The Black Bear mine, also bonded by the same parties, is showing some fine ore.

The Silver Price mine, owned by Stegman & Co., is developed to a depth of forty feet, and gives large assays in gold and silver.

The Lee mine, near the “Summit House,” is now being worked and a large body of ore has been struck.

Developments on the Silver Shield mine will soon be commenced. This mine is situated about five miles from Marble peak, are showing some fine and rich bodies of ore.

A fine ledge of ore, in our estimation, is on a mine near the American Flag; it is called the Silver Die, and is owned by Stegman and Dumfrey.

There are some immense bodies of lead and copper ore, near the head of Canada del Oro, which, in time, will be valuable properties.

For want of space, we are unable to publish the full correspondence to-day; but, look for it to-morrow.

~ Arizona Daily Star [Tucson, A.T.] February 27, 1880 [VOL. 1., NO. 208]

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Editor's Note:

“. Here we spent some time in looking over this edifice searching for gold and silver which was buried in the church, but having no tools we could do nothing.” All too often, treasure seekers have destroyed churches and other buildings seeking legendary plants. For just a few sad examples, see the excellent “Legends of Lost Missions and Mines” by Charles W. Polzer, S.J. in The Smoke Signal [The Tucson Corral of the Westerns, Tucson, Arizona] Fall 1968 (No. 18) and the equally worthwhile Fantasies of Gold; Legends of Treasures and How They Grew by E.B. “Ted” Sayles (1968).

This is vandalism, not legitimate treasure hunting, and it must be whole-heartedly contemned.

The text of the newspaper articles is presented here as it was published, except that the 19th century fondness for long paragraph blocks has been edited for the modern reader.

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Good luck to all,

The Old Bookaroo
 
Great reading..thanks for sharing it! :occasion14:
 
We don’t often get the origin story for lost mine accounts. According to the excellent Treasures of the Santa Catalina Mountains by Robert Zucker (2014) this is “the earliest published account…. This article was the first mention, in print, of a door actually made of iron that sealed off an old, Spanish mine.”


THE IRON DOOR MINE.
---
The Nine Mile City of the
Santa Catarinas.
---
The Story as Told to Our Corres-
Pendent.

---​

In yesterday’s STAR we promised to publish the balance of a communication received from the Santa Catarinas, and here it is:

MARTIN & WELDON’s CAMP. }
Feb. 24, 1880 }​

Yesterday there were two men stopped here, and they had a very interesting story to tell, and I here furnish to the STAR for publication the text of it, but I do not authenticate it, as sometimes prospectors are liable to exaggerate. Probably all of the old Arizonans in this vicinity have heard the tradition of the Santa Catarinas, and for the benefit of those that have not I will give the outline of it: --

About one hundred years ago the Jesuits held full sway over the population in this territory, and at that time they had large fields under cultivation, and many men employed delving in the earth after the precious metals and the turquoise stone. At that time the principal gold mines were situated in these mountains, and there was a place called Nueva Mia Ciudad, having a monster church with a number of golden bells that were used to summon the laborers from the fields and mines, and a short distance from this city, which was situated on a plateau, was a mountain that had a mine of such fabulous richness that the miners used to cut the gold out with a hacheta.

At the time of the Francisans [sic] acquiring supremacy the Jesuits fled, leaving the city destitute of population; before their flight they placed an iron door on the mine and secured it in such a manner that it would require a considerable time to unfasten it. There were only two entrances to the city and they also were closed and all traces obliterated so as to throw the San Franciscans off the road to this Nueva Mia city.

These are the facts of the tradition as briefly stated herein, and now for the story of the prospectors, or whoever they may be.

They told me that they had come here on January 10th, 1880, for the express purpose of exploring the mountains for Nueva Mia Ciudad (nine mile city) and the mine of the iron door. We had heard for years of this place but did not put any credence in it; but about five months ago we were traveling in Sonora on a prospecting tour, and one night we stopped near the town of Caborea with an old Mexican and his wife, and he was asking of Arizona and other matters and at last about mining.

We gave him all the information we could, and told how Tombstone was booming camp, when he spoke up and asked us if we ever had heard of the mine of the iron door? We said yes, but that we did not place any confidence in the story. He says I do, because I have a book here that my grandfather had, and that he was one of the inhabitants of the Nueva Mia city.

We became excited over this statement and asked him to produce the book. He went into an inner room and returned with book covered with a black cloth and leaves of parchment. He gave it to us and we opened it and found that it was written in a bold, round hand, but very faded. We judge it had at least 400 pages, and contained a kind of a diary of events of those days, a history of his life, and a description of the Nueva Mia city and how to reach it; also full directions how to find the mine of the iron door. We offered to buy the book of the old man at a good round figure. No, he said, I don’t want to part with it, for it is the last remnant of this old family but we could copy any part of it that we wished. We camped there for several days, making extracts from the book, and one in particular which we now remember: “I worked to-day with ten other men, and we took out 200 pounds of gold.” You can imagine what excitement it caused with us. After getting all the information we desired from the old book we packed up our provision and started for Arizona.

We having business in Florence, we proceded [sic] there and outfitted. One of us was taken sick, and we were consequently delayed until January 10.

When we arrived in the Canada del Oro, from the descriptions we found it would be necessary to proceed on foot from this point, and turning our horses and burros loose to shift for themselves, we shouldered our packs, and took the middle canon that lead in an easterly direction from Canada del Oro. It was about noon as we started up the canyon, and we were not quite sure that we would reach the place where water was said to exist the year round by our directions, but we plodded onward and upward over the largest boulder, now passing through places where the very top of the canyon would fairly join, and then opening out larger in box shape. Toward evening we came to a living spring of water, and there we camped for the night. Everything passed off finely that night, with the exception of the bears coming uncomfortably close, and the thrilling scream of the panther.

In the morning we cooked our breakfast, and as we sat down to partake of it we took out our directions and examined them. We found that after we had traversed the canyon for a distance of about five miles we would come to where it was divided, and that we must take the right hand canyon and journey up it for a half mile when it would come to an abrupt end with precipitous sides, and that on close scrutiny would find on the left side steps cut that would lead upward to a shelving rock, and there would appear to be a mouth to a cave, and to push onward through this and you would come out on a shelf of rock on the other side.

After finishing our breakfast we followed up this large canyon about four miles, when we came to where it divided into two. We took the right hand one, and in the course of half an hour we came to where the canyon suddenly became walled in on three sides, and after a considerable hunting we discovered what seemed to be an old stairway cut in the rock; we had a terrible time in getting up them as they were nearly obliterated by the decade of time, and we kept slipping back and back but at last we reached a shelving rock, and on the face of the perpendicular wall was an opening that would admit of an entrance to a full grown person. We held a consultation together as whether we had better proceed or return, and at twig-pulling [?] it was decided that we should enter.

We took some candles from our pack, unslung our “Henry’s” [rifles?] in case of emergency, and passed in the opening. We had not got far when a large flock of bats commenced circling around us, attracted by our lights.

The place was chilly but perfectly dry; in size it varied, first opening in a vaulted chamber of large proportions, and then closing into a narrow passage, and in one place we noticed an inspection engraven in the wall in Latin – Dominus vobiscum [“The Lord be with you”], and from that we commenced to gain more confidence that we were on the right track.

In about an hour we saw a light ahead, and in a few minutes we came to an opening, we passed through, and down about 200 feet below us was the finest scenery that we ever beheld. It was a tract of land covered with pines and oaks, broken by small hills, and through it passed a stream of water that glistened like silver. We looked for a place to descent but could find none. We took the ropes of our packs and spliced them together, and secured them in such a manner around a jutting rock that they could be unlodged from below.

We lowered our packs and guns, and then descended, hand over hand. We sat at the bottom for some time examining our directions; they told us that by traveling in an easterly direction we would come to the Nueva Mia Ciudad.

They did not give us the distance, so we concluded we would find water and pitch stakes for the night, in about twenty minutes we came to the stream of water that we mentioned before; it was literally alive with trout, and without any difficulty we secured enough for supper, and as we were cleaning them we notice shining particles in the stream.

We took our bread pan and washed it and in it was about a dollar’s worth of gold. You cannot imagine what en [sic – an] exciting time it caused. I don’t think we will ever forget it in our life. Then we were doubly anxious to look for the old city and the mine with the iron door; but we had to content ourselves for the night, but I can assure you we did not get much sleep. Before daybreak we had our breakfast and had everything packed for an early start. We set our compass and started easterly, and had not gone more than a mile before we came on to ruins, which, as we proceeded, grew larger and could be seen for two miles in width. We think, probably, that we had worked four miles when we came upon a stone building (granite and marble) that was in a fair state of preservation excepting the roof which had fallen in; the structure was something after the style of the old Cocospari [sic] church in Sonora, and we decided that this must have been the place of worship for the people of this once populus city. Here we spent some time in looking over this edifice searching for gold and silver which was buried in the church, but having no tools we could do nothing.

We camped here for several days looking over the old ruins, and found several stones bearing inscriptions in Latin. We then changed our camping ground and commenced to look for the mine of the Iron door, and after three days of searching we found it. The old door was eaten off by rust, and the bars of iron that secured it laying down at the mount of the tunnel.

We were afraid to enter for fear of wild beasts; but the love of excitement got the best of us and we entered. We saw at the commencement that the vein was about ten inches wide with a talk gouge, and, as we neared the end of the tunnel, which must have been about 400 feet in length, the air became very foul, but we pushed through; there we found some old iron resembling in shape the pick, we took it up and struck it in the vein and to our amazement the gold rolled down in nuggets to the floor.

Such a sight we never before saw. We worked for several days on the mine with the old tools there, and we will show you what we took out.

[Here the two men unpacked from their burros and showed me, I should judge, 100 pounds of pure gold in nuggets.] We put on our location notice and packed up, and have got back as far as this. We go to Florence and will return as soon as possible. I asked them if they thought it would pay me to go and locate placer claims, and they told me most assuredly. I and my partners leave to-morrow for the Nine Mile City. If a lie we will stand it; if not, so much the better. I tell you those golden nuggets give us a good deal of faith; and further, I am one of the oldest prospectors in these mountains and I have never known anyone to go up these canyons. I will write you as soon as I return.

Respectfully,

REDOUBTABLE.

~ Arizona Daily Star [Tucson, Arizona [Territory] 28 February 1880
~ Arizona Weekly Star [Tucson, A.T.] 4 March 1880 [Vol. 3. NO. 7.]

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As noted, the above follows an article from the previous day’s newspaper. This piece has nothing to do with the Mine With The Iron Door or the Nueva Mia Cuidad (mistranslated, of course, as “Nine Mile” City when it should be “New Mia City” – but, as Father Polzer pointed out, bad Spanish is sometimes an essential element in lost mine yarns).

However, since it is mentioned, to save the serious researcher the time and effort to locate a copy only to learn that it has no useful information, the first part is below.


Santa Catarinas.

From a long correspondence, received to-day, from the Old Hat district, we dense the following:

Developments are being steadily pushed on the American Flag mine, bonded by Messrs. Laurens and Henicke to James and Abbott, of Globe. At a depth of fifty feet it shows three feet and nine inches of black sulphuret ore, with fine walls and a good gouge. Assays give from $500 to $2,000 per ton. The Black Bear mine, also bonded by the same parties, is showing some fine ore.

The Silver Price mine, owned by Stegman & Co., is developed to a depth of forty feet, and gives large assays in gold and silver.

The Lee mine, near the “Summit House,” is now being worked and a large body of ore has been struck.

Developments on the Silver Shield mine will soon be commenced. This mine is situated about five miles from Marble peak, are showing some fine and rich bodies of ore.

A fine ledge of ore, in our estimation, is on a mine near the American Flag; it is called the Silver Die, and is owned by Stegman and Dumfrey.

There are some immense bodies of lead and copper ore, near the head of Canada del Oro, which, in time, will be valuable properties.

For want of space, we are unable to publish the full correspondence to-day; but, look for it to-morrow.

~ Arizona Daily Star [Tucson, A.T.] February 27, 1880 [VOL. 1., NO. 208]

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Editor's Note:

“. Here we spent some time in looking over this edifice searching for gold and silver which was buried in the church, but having no tools we could do nothing.” All too often, treasure seekers have destroyed churches and other buildings seeking legendary plants. For just a few sad examples, see the excellent “Legends of Lost Missions and Mines” by Charles W. Polzer, S.J. in The Smoke Signal [The Tucson Corral of the Westerns, Tucson, Arizona] Fall 1968 (No. 18) and the equally worthwhile Fantasies of Gold; Legends of Treasures and How They Grew by E.B. “Ted” Sayles (1968).

This is vandalism, not legitimate treasure hunting, and it must be whole-heartedly contemned.

The text of the newspaper articles is presented here as it was published, except that the 19th century fondness for long paragraph blocks has been edited for the modern reader.

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Good luck to all,

The Old Bookaroo

2.0 - According to "Lost Jesuit Mine with the Iron Door" by Donald Page (Desert Magazine, October 1956 (Volume 19, Number 10), "REDOUBTABLE" was Solomon M. Allis, who later became United States Deputy Mineral Surveyor.

It is worth noting that the two prospectors had no problem reading the "old Mexican's" parchment book - presumably hand-written, archaic Spanish script.

As for those golden bells...

Good luck to all,

The Old Bookaroo
 
Been a while Fred...just wanted to throw my coppers into the convo.

Iron Door mine stories fascinate me due to their ubiquitous nature. My memory seems to recall Utah, Idaho, Arizona, Oklahoma all having a similar tory, and one has to wonder where all those iron doors must be coming from. That said, when I started really researching the Montezuma Aztec treasure, and all of the scattered locations I eventually came up with, it occurred to me that there might be a bit of "legendary diffusion" happening. Perhaps a story develops near one community, the story is told and retold, and as those who hear the story move onward away from the original source, they tell that story, and proximity is assumed. Meaning, I tell a story a hundred miles from where I heard it, but people hear the story and assume it was close, and suddenly a new area has a similar story, with time and circumstance altering the details, and whole new legends spring up like pesky weeds.
 
Been a while Fred...just wanted to throw my coppers into the convo.

Iron Door mine stories fascinate me due to their ubiquitous nature. My memory seems to recall Utah, Idaho, Arizona, Oklahoma all having a similar tory, and one has to wonder where all those iron doors must be coming from. That said, when I started really researching the Montezuma Aztec treasure, and all of the scattered locations I eventually came up with, it occurred to me that there might be a bit of "legendary diffusion" happening. Perhaps a story develops near one community, the story is told and retold, and as those who hear the story move onward away from the original source, they tell that story, and proximity is assumed. Meaning, I tell a story a hundred miles from where I heard it, but people hear the story and assume it was close, and suddenly a new area has a similar story, with time and circumstance altering the details, and whole new legends spring up like pesky weeds.
The Catalina Mountain Lost Iron Door Mine tale is a doozy. Yeah, these Iron Door tales pop up in a lot of places. I promised Fred I would post a list of those I had gathered several years ago but failed to do so because I couldn't locate my list, finally figuring it was on a dead hard drive that wasn't backed up. Sorry Fred, but I think I also lost other more interesting info about other things.

The only Iron Door Mine story I remember any details about occurred near the area I live, and only because a familiar name was associated with the story - a real person who actually existed. Near the head of Noonday Canyon, high in the Black Range, a man hunting up there named Raney allegedly found an abandoned mine near the animal trail he was following. The adit was sealed by an "iron door" and Raney claimed when he returned later with tools, he couldn't find the place again.

A familiar story, sure, but this Raney was the brother of Gus Raney, the legendary bad-ass who died in prison in Grants NM in 1983 at 101 years old, awaiting trial for murdering a couple of men (one a retired Treasury Agent) searching near his property for church treasure. Gus had an outrageous history, much of it well documented, in New Mexico. A friend and I had an eye-to-eye with Gus a year before his death. The conversation ended when he warned us, "If I ever see either of you around here again, I'll kill you."
 
I believe this was a common and practical method to put an iron door to the mouth of a mine. It was more easy to close the mine with a permanent door instead of building every time a rock wall.
 
Been a while Fred...just wanted to throw my coppers into the convo.

Iron Door mine stories fascinate me due to their ubiquitous nature. My memory seems to recall Utah, Idaho, Arizona, Oklahoma all having a similar tory, and one has to wonder where all those iron doors must be coming from. That said, when I started really researching the Montezuma Aztec treasure, and all of the scattered locations I eventually came up with, it occurred to me that there might be a bit of "legendary diffusion" happening. Perhaps a story develops near one community, the story is told and retold, and as those who hear the story move onward away from the original source, they tell that story, and proximity is assumed. Meaning, I tell a story a hundred miles from where I heard it, but people hear the story and assume it was close, and suddenly a new area has a similar story, with time and circumstance altering the details, and whole new legends spring up like pesky weeds.
I have to agree with you on stories that seem to fit the same lines ! I've read a lot of them and the similarity of them seems to be redundant BUT I still like reading them It also seems that a lot of these stories end up being on Government land that you can't dig on OR claim any of the "treasure" for yourself ! BUT then again they are fun to read /dream about ! When you get old like me thats all you can do anyway ! :coffee2: :dontknow:
 
From the opening post: "They did not give us the distance, so we concluded we would find water and pitch stakes for the night, in about twenty minutes we came to the stream of water that we mentioned before; it was literally alive with trout, and without any difficulty we secured enough for supper, and as we were cleaning them we notice shining particles in the stream."

From the memoirs of cattle man George Wilson (1887-1957), Arizona Cattlelog, Saga of Oracle-Mountain Cow Town, published in 1964-65, there is also mention of a high mountain stream in the Santa Catalina mountains that is teaming with trout: "There was a small creek that ran in front of our camp that had lots of trout in it so I told Dick I was going to get some fish." The story continues with George using his 38-55 Marlin rifle to stun some fish for dinner. Wilson stated that they were hunting and camping up on top of the Catalinas.

I need to find my trout fishing gear.
 
I'm in central Utah and have an iron door story in my local area. This is one I haven't solved yet. All the rest I have found.
 
I'm in central Utah and have an iron door story in my local area. This is one I haven't solved yet. All the rest I have found.
Hello MindyRbeatty:

You might find the following geological map interesting.

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There are currently 21,511 active gold claims and 391,162 abandoned gold claims located throughout the state. Of those active claims, 18,307 are lode claims and 3,204 are placer claims. Of those abandoned claims, 352,253 are lode and 38,909 are placer. That is a hell of a lot of holes in the ground.

With gold pushing nearly 4000 per ounce reworking waste tailing may yields enough fine gold to be worthwhile.

Crow
 
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Hello MindyRbeatty:

You might find the following geological map interesting.

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There are currently 21,511 active gold claims and 391,162 abandoned gold claims located throughout the state. Of those active claims, 18,307 are lode claims and 3,204 are placer claims. Of those abandoned claims, 352,253 are lode and 38,909 are placer. That is a hell of a lot of holes in the ground.

With gold pushing nearly 4000 per ounce reworking waste tailing may yields enough fine gold to be worthwhile.

Crow
Thank you very much. Your advice is golden. May your kindness return to you. ☺️
 
Gold mining in a numbers game. Many mines closed because the value of gold per one ton of ore was not financially viable to recover. With rising gold prices some of those uneconomic mines can start paying again. There are many mines you can make more money per hour flipping burgers at MC Donald's than actually retrieving gold. first thing from abandoned mines you explore to to take ore sample from various locations in the tailing dump and get them essayed. You take from sample various areas of Tailing to get an average.

The average gold grade in Utah varies significantly by mine and deposit type, ranging from very low grades in large open-pit mines to ultra-high grades in specific underground veins. For instance, the Mercury gold project had a life-of-mine average of 0.60 g/t gold, while some high-grade underground veins can exceed 100 g/t gold. Economic feasibility depends on the grade, with lower grades (1-4 g/t) often found in open-pit mines, while underground mines typically require higher grades (4-10 g/t or more) to be profitable.

Reworking tailing depending on the age of the mine and how efficient their gold recovery was. Many of older mines was not efficient in recovering fine gold. UTAH is not generally known for large nuggets but mining fine flower gold. The average gold content in Utah tailings varies significantly, but a target of at least 0.5 grams per ton (g/t) is often a minimum for viability, with higher concentrations needed for profitable reclamation. That should be noted that figure above is from economy of scale with much larger and more efficient set up processing thousands of tons . Not a small timer operation.

How much is 1 Gram Gold in USD? Right now, 1 Gram Gold is worth about $124.48. If your recovering at the 0.5 grams per ton (g/t) from one ton of processed tailings per hour that's 24.80 per hour. One person operation. Not really worth the effort. So ideally you want to find tailings from older gold mines that still have a higher content of fine gold still in the tailings because of poor recovery methods. Say at least 1 gram above in tailings. 124.48 per hour. The more grams per ton the better.

The best small miner set up is some similar below. Please note there is just as good variations. You do not see the generator power source and water supply in illustration below. This mini mill set up is an example. Most can be transported by a pick up with trailer. This system below able to processes one ton of ore per hour. If you was recovering 1 gram of gold per ton of tailing per hour $124.48. Take an eight Hour and believe me one person manually feeding and operating this would be busting your ass. You would be just shy of 1000 bucks per day.

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The good thing this system it can be mounted on a trailer.

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It all comes down to your mine tailing site if there vehicle access and mine lease is available and as there is enough gold in the waste tailing. Having the fitness and having ability to monetary means to set up a mini process pant. If you was consistent with one gram per hour per ton. You could pull 5000 dollars per week gross before taking out operation expenses.

For example A generator's fuel consumption in eight hours varies significantly based on its size, the electrical load it's under, and the specific fuel type, but a general estimate for a small to medium diesel generator is between
13 and 24 liters per hour at half load, multiplying to 104 to 192 liters over eight hours. For more precise figures, you must consult the generator's manual or use its specifications to calculate consumption for its specific load and fuel rate. Those cost are some thing to be aware of.

The current price for diesel in the United States per liter is approximately $0.85 USD, based on a recent update for August 2025. Other sources show slight variations. Taking the highest usage rate 192 liters over 8 hours. 192 x 85 cents about 163 dollars per day x 5 days about 815 dollars. Without taking other costs out your still making over 4000 per week.

Of course 2 - 3 grams per ton from tailing would be much better. But that depends of research of abandoned mine sites that may have 2- 3 grams per ton in their waste tailing.

Here is map of mining area that covers all metals.

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Crow
 
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A friend and I had an eye-to-eye with Gus a year before his death. The conversation ended when he warned us, "If I ever see either of you around here again, I'll kill you."

Whoa! What did you do that triggered him ? (sorry, couldn’t resist the pun)
Were you asking about the Lost Adams Diggings ?
 
Whoa! What did you do that triggered him ? (sorry, couldn’t resist the pun)
Were you asking about the Lost Adams Diggings ?
No, it was naivety on our part, not realizing at the time the depth of and truth behind Gus Raney's reputation. We were hired to drill 10' validation holes on new mining claims in the area, most of which were on ranch land across the highway from where his cabin was. A few of the claims were close to Gus's place and the guy who hired us to do the work told us that he had already cleared the plan with Gus and that everything was OK.

Well, our guy lied to us - it wasn't OK with Gus, not by a long shot. We left his place pronto and didn't even think about returning. Later, I collected a ton of info on Gus from old newspapers and internet sites. It's quite a story. Even as an old man, everyone around Grants was cautious around him. He walked into the 4B's restaurant near Grants one day while my partner and I were having lunch. He didn't recognize us, but everyone in the place knew him. The place got quiet, including the two sheriff's deputies in the booth next to ours. One of them just said, "it's Gus." A lot of folks kinda loved the guy's image, but his past was the real deal.
 
No, it was naivety on our part, not realizing at the time the depth of and truth behind Gus Raney's reputation. We were hired to drill 10' validation holes on new mining claims in the area, most of which were on ranch land across the highway from where his cabin was. A few of the claims were close to Gus's place and the guy who hired us to do the work told us that he had already cleared the plan with Gus and that everything was OK.

Well, our guy lied to us - it wasn't OK with Gus, not by a long shot. We left his place pronto and didn't even think about returning. Later, I collected a ton of info on Gus from old newspapers and internet sites. It's quite a story. Even as an old man, everyone around Grants was cautious around him. He walked into the 4B's restaurant near Grants one day while my partner and I were having lunch. He didn't recognize us, but everyone in the place knew him. The place got quiet, including the two sheriff's deputies in the booth next to ours. One of them just said, "it's Gus." A lot of folks kinda loved the guy's image, but his past was the real deal.
Wow you were quite lucky! One of the news articles I read about him said the local police could be heard over radio arguing amongst themselves whenever it became necessary to accost him because they didn’t look forward to crossing his path when he was having a bad day.
 

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