Wheres the info on full tones?

[Calabash Digger]

I have used full tones on my machine since I got it a week ago and love them but I would love to hear some others talk about them .I cant find much on them online but would to hear from someone who has used them alot and has found the little nuances that come from experience with them. I run them with 3 on audio responce and it gives a little sqeak sound on deep targets love that sound.

 

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[Jeff H]

Lots of fans of Full Tones here. I use it almost exclusively now. Yep, I also like Audio at 3. I like that little hint that it might be a deep goodie. I even like it in the heavy iron patches.....That little drop in volume seems to help me pick the target out. If your hearing isn't that good, then you might not want to set the Audio that low.

 

[CoilToTheSoil]

Watch cz and defts posts, your sure to pick up a thing or two as time goes on!

 

[Dirtwisher]

Watch Vino's posts too. That guy picked up the Deus and became more of a monster than he already was with the CTX. Great guy too with an amazing portfolio of finds. I like the response a little higher because I want to hear things at 15" even if I'm swinging fast. XP is selling a ton of machines lately so there will be more people to offer advice now than there was.

 

[vferrari]

Um, yeah, uh, unfortunately, I don't think Vino is going to be posting anything new on the Deus...at least not on T-Net.[Unless I am thinking of the wrong Vino. If so, forgive me].

 

[Calabash Digger]

I will keep an eye out. man this machine will flat out pick targets out of the trash went back over ground that has been hunted with ace 250 and at pros and picked non ferrous targets out like it had never been hunted cant believe how much masking was going on with the garretts.

 

[gunsil]

I see the Deus guys digging plenty of nails too. Heck, if anybody just uses the patience to dig it all they will miss little, even with a "lesser" machine. Not knocking the Deus, I wouldn't mind having one, but many of my best finds were with a 1971 Garrett BFO beep and dig machine. It was simple, dig all signals and find everything.

 

[vferrari]

I see the Deus guys digging plenty of nails too. Heck, if anybody just uses the patience to dig it all they will miss little, even with a "lesser" machine. Not knocking the Deus, I wouldn't mind having one, but many of my best finds were with a 1971 Garrett BFO beep and dig machine. It was simple, dig all signals and find everything.

The question is whether the Deus guys are digging nails because they know they are nails and are trying to clear the masking trash layer (i.e., digging everything) or if they are digging nails because they cannot differentiate them from keeper targets. The difference is important, and the answer says a lot about the capabilities of the machine and the user. I often will dig what I know is trash not because I have some uncertainty about what I am about to dig (because I am getting pretty good at listening to what the deus is telling me) but because I want to know for sure that that aluminum can or iron farm junk is not masking a deeper keeper find. Sometimes the machine can help you cherry pick the keepers from the trash and that can be the difference between finding something (while admittedly likely missing something else) or not finding anything at all because your machine is NOT telling you the difference (a la the BFO machine) and you simply do not have the luxury to be able to dig everything, not because you are lazy, but because you simply don't have enough time (sunset is coming, got to get back to real life) or cannot risk digging that many plugs for fear of creating some noticeable damage to a site.

 

[Calabash Digger]

About the only nails im digging these days are the ones in the hole with the non ferrous target that the deus unmasked ! lol Ive dug a few not more than 10 since I got my machine and ive dug hundreds of holes. The sites ive been hunting are trashy if you tried to dig everything you might not get 10 ft in a day there are literally hundreds of targets.you can cherry pick with this machine in full tones I would not be scared to hunt behind anybody who uses another brand detector there are none that can seperate like the deus.

 

[Deft Tones]

Did you have a specific question in mind?


I feel it would be beneficial if everyone were on the same page while using terms to describe what the Deus speaks. Remember, the Deus has no written language.


IMO, learning the Deus language is pretty much like learning the verbal Mandarin Chinese language as a non-native. The huge difference is we’re expected to learn Deus full tone language without any real assistance and only a digger as a translator. Except for some slight variances among both equipment and ears, I’d wager Deus speaks a basic language similarly to all of us when using standardized settings. As of version 3.2, I’d at least like to propose Normalization set to ON as a minimum condition towards common ground in discussion. Anyway…


Mandarin is not as difficult to learn to speak as much as it is to read and write, but there is an easy solution available!


Spoken Mandarin is a very tonal language with subtle inflections that can greatly alter the meaning of a spoken word. This is pretty much like Deus full tone language (DFTL from here on out for me). If even a rudimentary understanding of Mandarin were acquired, then we could easily adapt the standard Chinese Pinyin written language in a Romanized way that we can pronounce and write. We then would be able to more simply communicate the subtle tones and inflections of the DFTL. In all probability, that will never happen, but anyway…


Anyway, questions, fire away.

 

[Calabash Digger]

reminds me of the koine greek I studied for a few years to learn the new testament better I know more about that language than I do my native language ! Now if I could learn the deus language well that would be great , How many different tones are they in full tones I know it works on a sliding scale. I can hit a two targets that id in the 70s and they can have to different tones/ I dont pay much attention to the numbers but I havent been able yet to put a tone to a certain item like a wheatie I dug today with my at pro I would have known .Are you there with the full tones where you can kinda call it sometimes ? What im trying to say is if I crossed a silver coin with my pro I would have known it can you get to that place with full tones?

 

[Deft Tones]

I see the Deus guys digging plenty of nails too. Heck, if anybody just uses the patience to dig it all they will miss little, even with a "lesser" machine. Not knocking the Deus, I wouldn't mind having one, but many of my best finds were with a 1971 Garrett BFO beep and dig machine. It was simple, dig all signals and find everything.

That may be a great strategy in 1971, or wherever it is that you hunt, but time and technology have changed the rules for modern hunters in many places.

More trash and less treasures are available to us on most public sites. I'm never digging it all except in layers over a period of time... unless I have a good reason to think I should.

By hook or crook, get your hands on one for a test run. Then go to a our 2016 trashy parks and tell me you're willing to still dig everything. See you at the finish line.

 

[CoilToTheSoil]

Went out today for a bit while my daughter played on the playground. Messed around on full tones and paid very close attention to what I heard and what the outcome was. At least for modern parks on coins less than 5", the tonal differences are sharp between coin and crap. The strength and confidence of the tone on a solid round target in the coin and silver end of the spectrum is very easy to pick out and learn. As for jewelry that will be tougher I'm sure, but for those interested in full tones and a starter course, read up on here then go to a local park, trash or not, and dig those dimes quarters and pennys. Start there and move towards the tougher more elusive aluminum vs gold range. The tabs particularly square tabs are certainly a more confident sound than trash up in the coin category but it'll come in time.

 

[Calabash Digger]

I might go to a old place above my house that had an old ice cream shop on it and there are alot of coins there and practice a little because the sites I have been hunting are old but 2 of them are trashed with modern trash, what im trying to say is I bet the buttons im looking for will sound alot like coins so I might be able to sharpen my ear a little.

 

[Deft Tones]

reminds me of the koine greek I studied for a few years to learn the new testament better I know more about that language than I do my native language ! Now if I could learn the deus language well that would be great , How many different tones are they in full tones I know it works on a sliding scale. I can hit a two targets that id in the 70s and they can have to different tones/ I dont pay much attention to the numbers but I havent been able yet to put a tone to a certain item like a wheatie I dug today with my at pro I would have known .Are you there with the full tones where you can kinda call it sometimes ? What im trying to say is if I crossed a silver coin with my pro I would have known it can you get to that place with full tones?

Look, I’m no master of the Deus, but I do have an ear for subtle sound variances, and I’m not knocking the Deus at all when I say it’s a downgrade in complexity from my first machine, which I’m married to, but I just clicked with this machine, and not at first either. I’ll spare you the boring details.

Also, I am very new to looking at checking the controller for additional information. Many times I often forget to check it for 5 or 6 dug targets in a row – doh!

I guess, yes, I consider that I am mostly there, but not like I am with my wife. She’s the White Widow, and she’s very deadly for calling the shots, but I’ve been married to her a long time so that’s to be expected.

11” coil. 4 wheats, or indians and 1 zinc penny target under coil footprint arranged at any depth up to 6 inches, and up to say, 1” laterally with no upward masking, I can pick the one zinc penny from all the coppers, or, trash, or anything else really. One can actually count the coins! Lol. And especially if the zinc has even the slightest corrosion on the coin exposing the core – it drastically changes the tone from a new zLincoln. It’s really impressing me with how it speaks.

I can call a square stay tab about 80% of the time by the come off tones. I was doing so today in fact. Rechecking my tones and just goofing off at the park.

Best I’ve ever been able to do was correctly call 6 out of ten consecutive random targets. When I can hit 10 out of 10 on three separate days, I’ll consider myself having attained expert, not master...yet.

Great conversation! Be back soon..

 

[Calabash Digger]

Look, I’m no master of the Deus, but I do have an ear for subtle sound variances, and I’m not knocking the Deus at all when I say it’s a downgrade in complexity from my first machine, which I’m married to, but I just clicked with this machine, and not at first either. I’ll spare you the boring details.

Also, I am very new to looking at checking the controller for additional information. Many times I often forget to check it for 5 or 6 dug targets in a row – doh!

I guess, yes, I consider that I am mostly there, but not like I am with my wife. She’s the White Widow, and she’s very deadly for calling the shots, but I’ve been married to her a long time so that’s to be expected.

11” coil. 4 wheats, or indians and 1 zinc penny target under coil footprint arranged at any depth up to 6 inches, and up to say, 1” laterally with no upward masking, I can pick the one zinc penny from all the coppers, or, trash, or anything else really. One can actually count the coins! Lol. And especially if the zinc has even the slightest corrosion on the coin exposing the core – it drastically changes the tone from a new zLincoln. It’s really impressing me with how it speaks.

I can call a square stay tab about 80% of the time by the come off tones. I was doing so today in fact. Rechecking my tones and just goofing off at the park.

Best I’ve ever been able to do was correctly call 6 out of ten consecutive random targets. When I can hit 10 out of 10 on three separate days, I’ll consider myself having attained expert, not master...yet.

Great conversation! Be back soon..

close enough for me sounds like your at the master jedi level!

 

[Gridwalker306]

I love the versatility of the Deus, it's infinitely customizable. I've had mine for a year, the first few months were in Deus Fast, then I switched to full tones. It was a bit confusing at first, but my "aha moment" came when I tried at a spot I have detected to death. I was in Deus Fast, swung over some iron that had the tiniest little chirp of goodness. I figured it was just the iron, but I switched over to the full tones (with ZERO disc), and suddenly the iron grunt became two separate targets. One high and one low, very close together. The reactivity of the Deus is unreal.

The spot is littered with iron, and when I dug I pulled a very large rusty nail, and right beside it, almost touching it was a Barber dime. It was deep too. Since then I have been running full tones, especially in areas where there is any level of trash.

I was in England recently, prepared to use full tones. But another very experienced Deus user who has been hunting England for years told me to try his two tone program in 12khz. The reason being, it takes a lot of the target processing out of your brain. You don't have to decide whether or not to dig as much. The low tone don't dig, the higher tone--must dig. This was a fantastic program for this type of hunting, and I only had to switch to full tones a few times in iron infested areas.

 

[Calabash Digger]

I was thinking about the 2 tones but have been using the full tones because of the iron infested sites ive been hunting. will you share the 2 tone program?

 

[Deft Tones]

close enough for me sounds like your at the master jedi level!

Puhleeeze!

Maybe we should talk about how we can coax different sounds from targets using the wiggle-off technique to pinpointing as a basis, then using that technique in an aggressive and unconventional manner, because the Deus can handle it rough, to gather more information by using various coil positioning.

Better yet, describe, in as much detail as you please, how you actually do your thing up to the point of digging a target. You've located an interesting beep, ok, now what?

Other Deus users feel free to participate too.

 

[Calabash Digger]

When im away from the trash I do the wiggle off move sometimes to see if I can pick up the iron buzz or toggle back and forth to a exact program set up in 4 kh to see if its worth digging. I have been digging in some serious trash trying to pick out targets from old home sites and my technique here is very simple if I get the faint high pitched squeal sound or really anything deep sound (audio set on 3) I dig and the last 2 times I even starting pulling the shallower targets too with the fuller sounds Ive dug a ton of trash but thats part of the learning curve for me and I may always dig alot of trash but thats ok too because in doing so im gonna get relics and thats what im after.btw im not digging the iron tone alost everything above it though .I will move around a target sometimes to see if I can pick it up but if it repeats one way I dig because when I did the nail test with a coin it would not hit it from certain angles so now if I get signal from one angle and not another it doesnt matter I dig.One more thing I never use the pinpoint feature I wiggle the coil and the strongest part of the signal is where I dig .I did not use it on my at pro either in the heavy trash ive hunted it has been more trouble than it is worth to me so I started using a different technique for locating the target got it from the guy that does the garrett videos.I have only hit a few targets out of thousands when digging doing it this way. thanks got long winded on this one.