Whites m6 and MXT

[crazy4coins]

I try to run the gain at +2 as long as it isn't to noisy, which most places I can run at +2 with no problem, any higher it gets a little too noisy to hear those whisper targets. I can get dimes at 10"+ with no problem and have had a few at 12" before with the D2 coil, the coil is going to depend on how deep you can detect, you won't be getting those 10"+ dimes with the 6x10 coil. HH

So it seems that depth wise the MXT can even compare to even the f70... Wow.

 

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[wingmaster]

I've detected with others who have the V3i and the E-trac and the MXT with the right coil is every bit as deep, one guy who I've detected with a lot who uses the V3i used to find and mark some very deep targets before digging them then call me over to see if my detector would pick them up and the MXT would pick them up just fine and give the same VDI. He only done this about the first three hunts and stopped after he learned I was getting every bit as good of depth, I've got more silver an equal amount of times as him. I never feel outgunned with the MXT, there are some nice features on the V3i like the freq. offset among others but I like being able to adjust on the fly without having to scroll through the menu as I'm just like to get finding the good stuff right away. HH

So it seems that depth wise the MXT can even compare to even the f70... Wow.

 

[crazy4coins]

I've detected with others who have the V3i and the E-trac and the MXT with the right coil is every bit as deep, one guy who I've detected with a lot who uses the V3i used to find and mark some very deep targets before digging them then call me over to see if my detector would pick them up and the MXT would pick them up just fine and give the same VDI. He only done this about the first three hunts and stopped after he learned I was getting every bit as good of depth, I've got more silver an equal amount of times as him. I never feel outgunned with the MXT, there are some nice features on the V3i like the freq. offset among others but I like being able to adjust on the fly without having to scroll through the menu as I'm just to get finding the good stuff right away. HH

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[treasurecoasteric]

The MXT will go against the others.

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[Gator01]

Not trying to hijack this thread,but I do have several questions regarding the MXT/MXT Pro. Ive had a M6,remarkable,easy to use light weight unit,wish I had kept it but for various reasons I didnt.
I hunt very old spots in town and old farm fields where homes once stood. My soil is mild,no problems there.
In town spots (vacant lots for the most parts where 1900-1920,30 era homes stood;full of old iron,plumbing debris and modern trash as well)
Farm fields, carpets of nails,old farm implements mainly iron trash in the ground.
What I am interested in regarding the MXT or MXT Pro is the relic mode. How well does it unmask. If I recall correctly, I think I read somewheres, the MXT in relic mode is operating in a dual mode, disc and all metal?? I think I read that not only are you listening for a tone but also a waiver in the threshold Would one of you,well versed in the use of the MXT in relic mode give your experiences with it.
I believe depth is not the most relevant thing in environments like this,important and on your mind,yes. But if the trash targets are numerous, depth is second importance.
Also tell me what coils you favor,Im positive its a smaller one of some type.
I have to get another relic machine,Ive tried another brand and just didnt click with it. Used it for over a year but really got tired of the constant chatter.
Thanks for your time and considerations,
John

 

[wingmaster]

I detect in relic mode with trigger forward on the MXT, the MXTpro is different the trigger forward I believe locks in the pinpointing mode. I usually use the D2 coil as the DD coils are better for separating trash and a smaller DD coil will be better for heavy trash but you won't get the depth and the parks around here have been pounded since the 70's so about the only silver left is the 10"+ depth coins. When I detect them parks I'll use the D2 coil and listen for only the deep whisper targets to bypass all the clad and other trash so I'm not wasting time digging the clad or trash, a lot of detectors won't get this depth or some people aren't good enough with their detector to get these targets. When your talking the 10"+ coins they don't always VDI like they would at 8" or less, I've had silver dimes that only come up in the 40 to 50 VDI range but I always dig the clean whisper targets no matter what the VDI is, once you start digging those barely able to hear whisper targets you'll be listing for those as there usually the good old coins. HH

 

[YumaMarc]

Not trying to hijack this thread,but I do have several questions regarding the MXT/MXT Pro. Ive had a M6,remarkable,easy to use light weight unit,wish I had kept it but for various reasons I didnt. I hunt very old spots in town and old farm fields where homes once stood. My soil is mild,no problems there. In town spots (vacant lots for the most parts where 1900-1920,30 era homes stood;full of old iron,plumbing debris and modern trash as well) Farm fields, carpets of nails,old farm implements mainly iron trash in the ground. What I am interested in regarding the MXT or MXT Pro is the relic mode. How well does it unmask. If I recall correctly, I think I read somewheres, the MXT in relic mode is operating in a dual mode, disc and all metal?? I think I read that not only are you listening for a tone but also a waiver in the threshold Would one of you,well versed in the use of the MXT in relic mode give your experiences with it. I believe depth is not the most relevant thing in environments like this,important and on your mind,yes. But if the trash targets are numerous, depth is second importance. Also tell me what coils you favor,Im positive its a smaller one of some type. I have to get another relic machine,Ive tried another brand and just didnt click with it. Used it for over a year but really got tired of the constant chatter. Thanks for your time and considerations, John

I've used an MXT for years, nearly always in relic mode. With the trigger forward it does a fantastic job masking out the iron and allowing the non-ferrous to come through. At least that's been my experience. I use an aftermarket Excelerator 4" coil mostly, as it's smaller than anything White's has at present. That little coil is, literally, worth it's weight in gold!

 

[Gator01]

I am having good results with my ETrac,in the city type hunts. Occasionally,I hit a park or school where I have to really watch how much I dig and the ETrac works for me. What I need is a good unit to work medium to heavy iron spots. YumaMarc,you stated it does a fantastic job masking out the iron. What I get is, you use enough disc to block most of the iron signals. Correct me if Im wrong. I like listening to iron,I dont want it masked and if I disc I want just enough disc to make a small nail crackle. I believe,if you knock out iron, you could miss that little signal that could be you next best find. Could you tell me more about the dual mode operation of the relic mode. How has that worked out for you?? Ive never used that size Excelerator coil, but I have used several of the larger ones. The 4.5x7 Excelerator is my favorite small coil for my ETrac. Something else I just thought of. Is the response time in disc and relic modes the same??
Thanks,
John

 

[wingmaster]

The response time is pretty quick on the MXT for sure and when in relic mode with the trigger in the center you van hear the iron as well you'll get a grunt for iron and a high tone for anything else. I've heard people say that turning up the discrimination cuts down on depth, but in those trashy parks I detect I can run the disc. at 7 and still get 10"+ on dimes and even a few at 12" before. If running the disc. cuts down on depth then I really don't know how much deeper you'll go as I start most hunts with that then go back over with less at about 3 but haven't found any deeper silver. The MXT was made for prospecting also so the response is lightning quick and I've heard people say that the ground tracking is second to none on the detectors out there, which I've rarely ever locked tracking. There might be times in extremely heavy iron where you would want to lock tracking, like detecting an old site that has burnt down that they didn't clean it up back in the day. I can tell you for sure that with the right coil the MXT is every bit as deep as your E-trac. HH

 

[Gator01]

wingmaster, thanks much for your response. Im not as concerned with depth as I am masking. I know a few machines out there presently being produced are pretty good site unlockers.
I wish one of our US manufactors would produce a detector like the XP GMP. I just dont see purchasing a GMP;having something go wrong and then ship it back across the pond to get it repaired.
I had an F75se,very very chatty machine and could hardly use it in town. Ive read some of the F75s and T2s are not as chatty as others but I am not going to just keep purchasing one to find a quieter machine. Never really made a connection with that one. Not knocking it, and dont want a controversy over it.
Thanks,
John

 

[YumaMarc]

wingmaster, thanks much for your response. Im not as concerned with depth as I am masking. I know a few machines out there presently being produced are pretty good site unlockers. I wish one of our US manufactors would produce a detector like the XP GMP. I just dont see purchasing a GMP;having something go wrong and then ship it back across the pond to get it repaired. I had an F75se,very very chatty machine and could hardly use it in town. Ive read some of the F75s and T2s are not as chatty as others but I am not going to just keep purchasing one to find a quieter machine. Never really made a connection with that one. Not knocking it, and dont want a controversy over it. Thanks, John

Gator, sorry I didn't get back to your questions earlier, but I think Wingmaster pretty much nailed it. The response time is amazing on my MXT, better than any other I've tried. As Wingmaster said, with the trigger back the MXT will "grunt" when iron is within it's field. Forward it will still read non-ferrous signals with less iron noise. I've found a lot of silver coins beside, and even under, iron in Relic Mode with trigger forward. It's something you have to get accustomed to and learn the machine's sounds. I use Relic Mode almost exclusively, with a bit of Prospecting Mode now and then when I want to sniff out really weak signals. The "trigger forward" just gives you an extra option when you want to ignore the iron (or dig the iron, for that matter).

 

[treasurecoasteric]

I have to agree that the response is lightning fast. With the MXT Pro and the 12" coil I own the previous high tide line ! I just flip it in the "salt" mode and pump the coil a few times - that's all! I have honestly found the Whites to lock on targets with a fairly quick sweep speed.......faster than others. I know that Minelab appears to be the beach machine of choice, but I'm fine with my Whites. Remember that if you know your $599.00 M6 you are more dangerous on the beach than the guy with the $2,000 ctx 3030 who has no idea what he's doing!

 

[Gator01]

I have to agree that the response is lightning fast. With the MXT Pro and the 12" coil I own the previous high tide line ! I just flip it in the "salt" mode and pump the coil a few times - that's all! I have honestly found the Whites to lock on targets with a fairly quick sweep speed.......faster than others. I know that Minelab appears to be the beach machine of choice, but I'm fine with my Whites. Remember that if you know your $599.00 M6 you are more dangerous on the beach than the guy with the $2,000 ctx 3030 who has no idea what he's doing!

I am very much in agreement with you last sentence.
But,I also agree with the fact that you need the correct tool for the job,but with knowledge and experience of operating that tool.
Im not a beach hunter. Living where I do I enjoy hunting old plantation sites,some burnt during the civil war,just cotton,corn,soybean fields now. Iron is my biggest trash here but also some iron targets are desirable. In town,again I hit old spots/lots, sometimes the house is there but mostly gone,but;in town its not only iron trash but aluminum,copper anything up to modern era trash.
Just curious if you guys hunted spots like this? and how the different relic modes worked. I was really interested in the one that is considered a dual mode, disc and all metal. I cant recall where I read about this dual mode, but seem to recall that you really want to pay attention to the threshold,more so than the other modes, and seem to recall it can be a bit noiser?? than the others.
I also recall reading that the relic mode, trigger in middle, is a bit more stable than coin and jewelry because of the SAT speed. From what Ive read, seems each of the modes run at a different SAT speed,except prospecting, where you can change the SAT speed. Can any of you, clear me up on this or explain it better?
I do know this,with any machine used. You get desirable targets co-located with trash, it brings the report of the signal,tone and VID down, and if low enough reports that desirable signal into the iron range even if you are using the fastest resetting machine out there. I believe there are still a lot of desirable targets to be found, the trash is just masking them.
Also want to thank you for taking the time to respond to my questions and again apologize for jumping this thread. Guess I need to start another thread.
John

 

[treasurecoasteric]

John,
I honestly wish I could answer your questions, but I have no idea.
I DO know that the MXT Pro has a "Relic" mode and when in it, the VDI will read "buckle, button or bullet" etc
The Whites MXT has always been a very highly regarded dirt machine in the relic hunting community.

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[norbyx]

Well here is the thing. Relic modes on the mxt do one thing for sure, they change the tone and the display. I can't really recall if there is a change in the SAT ( I do know that in prospecting the sat is set by the user). Truth is that in the old mxt ( not pro) the relic mode was usefull since you got two tone searching, but the pro has multitone from scratch so I can't see an advantage on setting the detector in relic mode now. As for mixed mode, now that is quite important on the mxt vs. the m6 if you detect in an area where there is not much trash.
Mixed mode means you have the threshold always there and the discrimination will be there also. So in a deep target you will hear a the threshold change even if the discrimination can't really hit (or discriminate) the target. Since there will be no discrimination you won't really know if its trash or not.
The mxt is a better detector than the m6 just for this and the prospecting mode... But, if you don't intend to use the mxt as a prospecting detector, than the gap becomes almost zero. You can hunt relics with the m6 just as you would with the mxt (yeah it might say 25c instead of button but who cares, what's important is a constant signal).

 

[treasurecoasteric]

I agree with it all except that the MXT Pro with the 12" coil is more powerful than the M6 with the 950. Now, I have switched both coils with both machines and didn't like the results on either machine.

I think machines tend to be at their best with the coil that they came with.

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