win prize -properly id this item -appears to be cuff link size , made of copper

[ivan salis]

here it is - you can see it has a fluer de lis design at the top and bottom --in the center is a "map" of florida with cuba to the bottom right -- thinking eithervery early fremch or spanish after 1701 due to the fluer de lis --but it also has what appears to be a "three feather" type design of the prince of wales (thus english) on each side -- the map of florida appears to be of a very early crude design as well ---its a made of copper / bronze make up --its being shown bigger than life size to show detail --good luck folks -- its been driving me batty.

oh by the way --- the area it was found at had everything from 1560's era french settlers to 1600, 1700 & 1800 spanish to 1700 & 1800 english all living and warring around the spot at various times . (so 1560 to 1821 time frame and french, spanish or english most likely but others are possible as well)

if it is id ed to my satisfaction -- the prize is a nice condition 1891 austrian 1 kreuzer coin not big bucks but nice .

 

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[done dug it all up]

Re: trying date & id this item --cuff link sized --has fluer de lis design -tough

I think the four "L's" on it are symbols for the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

 

[ivan salis]

Re: trying date & id this item --cuff link sized --has fluer de lis design -tough

their more like a wide open V shape with the "three feather symbol" between the upper and lower ones on each side -- its very hard to figger out this item. -- too many differant "design" elements at once -- fluer de lis ( early french / spanish after 1701 "bourbon" kings ) --the three feathers design (prince of wales thus english) and the crude early style looking map as an added bonus . -- very interesting indeed.

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

Re: trying date & id this item --cuff link sized --has fluer de lis design -tough

maybe it is not florida...
are the sides of the piece worked? do i see the shadow of a design there?

http://www.japanese-swords.com/fuchi-gallery/frameset.htm

 

[ivan salis]

Re: trying date & id this item --cuff link sized --has fluer de lis design -tough

no its sides are quite plain -- its ovalish shaped --- not overly thick --- the shape sort of reminds me of a cuff link --( an oval french cuff type cuff link )-- this seems to be the top part -- while there is no stud or bottom half connected to the the back side --it does have what appears to have once been a stud connection type spot on one end.

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: trying date & id this item -cuff link sized --has fluer de lis design - prize!

As you say, cufflink circa 1790-1830s. British probably

 

[ivan salis]

Re: trying date & id this item -cuff link sized --has fluer de lis design - prize!

the item has the thickness of a cent /penny but its back side is curved inward (thus there is a smallish hollow spot as it sits on a flat surface under the item) --the item is smaller than the photo of it --(it was blown up in size to be easy to see the detail on it) -- its small about cuff link size .

 

[ivan salis]

stuck so soon?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Im having a hard time seeing it because its too dark on my screen. Also I seem to be missing a picture of the back. It sounds very interesting by the description, Ivan. I completely ignored this earlier because it was so dark. I wish I could see it better.

 

[RELICDUDE07]

If the stud conection is on the end of the piece it may not be a cuff link...Can you post some more pics of the front and back?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Try a high resolution scan or take the pic outside in sunlight with macro lens and a darker background like blue.

 

[east tx digger]

Maybe this is better.

 

[RELICDUDE07]

This is what i mean ivan about where the stud once was.

 

[ivan salis]

relic dude yes I think there stud was in center on the rear , similar to the item you showed above relicdude * but the back looks a bit convext -- I do think there was a stud similar to what you show on the rear (right hand side above) once upon a time..

a freind did the photo for me with his gear ( hes back in conn. now)-- no rear shot sorry. and the item is quite dark in color trust me he did the best that could be done with it. -- P.S. I stink at photos *

this ones driving me batty -- due to the "many differant symbols" on it*--- it has a fluer de llis (french / or post 1702 spanish) type symbol at both top and bottom -- on both sides there is a "3 feathers" design (prince of wales-- thus english) there are 4 L or v type designs in between ---so reading it -- along rim going from bottom going clockwize around --(bottom) fluer de lis design-- L or V --the three feather design -- L or V--(top) fluer de lis --L or V --three feather --L or V-- back to bottom --- in the center of it appears top be a crude old type map of florida with cuba off to the right side . -- metal make up appears to be bronze or copperish. -rings up in the "copper" range on my ace 250

by the way what country time and frame are the cuff links you posted above from relic dude? the lower photo's color is dead on match to mine -- differeant "face" but similar time frame / overall basic design style I think.

 

[lostcauses]

Fist appears to be a stamped pies later engraved with design. It may have had a hinged link or jump ring connector on the back. It originally was most likely gold plated, circa 1920s or 30s.

Cuff link is the highest probability with given information.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

If its a map it is very interesting and maybe we can date it. But I dont think that could be Cuba off to the right. Florida may have been unknown but they sure knew where Cuba was. (underneath) Maybe its Hispanola (to the right) but it seems very crude. http://fcit.usf.edu/FLORIDA/maps/1500/m010500.htm

 

[ivan salis]

well it is a crude map but the item is small --making it a bit hard to make "properly" --but the main elements are there, -- this item appears to be quite old --its coloration , oval design and overall general styling seems very similar to that of the cuff links that relicdude posted, above. -- now to find out the country of origin / time frame for the ones he posted and go from there.-- without a doubt I think its a cuff link (half) but general time frame / country of origin are what I'm after.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

It does look like early maps of Florida, but the rest doesnt match too well. You can see it better. Are you sure its a map?

 

[ivan salis]

looking at it ---it appears similar to the designs of a very old sea charts (maps) of florida & closeby area -- howeverplease keep in mind that the item is rather small --(after all its a cuff link ) so it might not be perfectly correct in "detail" and scale / location .

 

[RELICDUDE07]

The ones i posted are british about 1790