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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigcypresshunter View Post
    Very good to know old man. Have you used it on the treasure coast beaches? How deep will it signal a silver dollar on the beach?
    This is why I opened the discussion on the Pulse Star.

    BIGDOGDAD why dont you tell DOT you got a large signal from the PulseStar and stay away from talking about dowsing and LRLs?

    Old man can you tell me where you wrote the story and post a few pics? Thanks I would love to see your finds made with the Pulse Star and Im sure everyone else would love to see..
    Bigcypresshunter, The 40 inch coil is only used for large targets. However, there are two other coils that can be attached to the unit to use on the beach for coins. There is an 18 inch coil which will pick up coins as small as a dime or there is a 10 inch coil. The unit will tell you whether the target you detect is ferrous or non ferrous. The unit is made in Germany, but Kellyco near Orlando sells them. I have used the 18 inch coil to detect on beaches at times. The only problem is that you sometimes dig 4 foot holes and end up with an aluminum beer or soda can.

    If you or anyone wants to get in on an underwater treasure hunt, where the side scan images show a large pile of rectangular bars ( which we think are silver ) and what appear to be cannons in the area and if you can either contribute with a boat at least 25 ft long or a side scan sonar with at least enough cable to redo the survey in 300 plus foot of water near Key West. Get back to me. We have the GPS numbers on the cannons, but did not have the equipment with the capibility of getting the images with GPS numbers on the bars. We are heading down there in the next week or two as soon as the seas calm down a little more.
    We will also be sending tech divers down to retreive some objects to file and Admiralty Claim. And no this wasn't found with an LRL or the Pulse Star ll.

    I'll try and see if I can minimize some pictures of cannons that were located with it and I have a picture of an 80 lb silver bar I can post.
    Last edited by old man; Jul 01, 2012 at 03:10 PM.

  2. #272

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    An antique Ouiji board can be worth quite a bit. I am sure in the hands of skilled users the result would be much the same using the cheap imitation toy model. I recall my dad didn't like us playing with the old board my mystic grandmother gave us boys to play with, when he used it as a temporary repair of a broken window. When he wasn't around we would get the now stained board down and contact the spirit world and would laugh at how badly the spirit spelled. Sometimes the responses could be kinda creepy though and I recall friends being quite frightened and otherwise repulsed to the point of quickly coming up with an excuse to go home.
    I have not heard of anyone using a Ouiji Board to find treasure!
    It's no wonder truth is stranger than fiction. Fiction has to make sense. Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigcypresshunter View Post
    If this is true, its very exciting. You make me want to obtain a Pulse II and head to the Treasure Beaches but I have other commitments. No I dont have a boat.


    Are you the person that dug 6 foot holes in the dunes at night? I dont know if they found anything but they left their shovels behind.
    No, I always fill my holes in and I've never left anything behind. I even carry out the trash I find.

  4. #274
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    Well I see what it is right off. The play on words part. What BCH said was "If you find treasure at a KNOWN pirate camp with an LRL, thats not really proof" or something to that effect. In other words, yes it is a known site, there have been treasures found there before, and a guy digging a random hole COULD hit something, with or without an LRL. Get it? This site is an already proven site.

    If I gave a guy an LRL and asked him to find spare change, do you think he might have a chance in an arcade? Or a laundromat?

    BDD-

    If your guys LRL does work, there is a quick million to make from Randi. Hey go for it, and I'd really like to hear the results. I must warn you, it does involve repeated double blind testing, just so you're friends are aware. Been waiting years for someone to FINALLY step up and prove that LRLs actually work. However all we ever get is excuses and "wordplay", LOL!


    And finally BCH-

    Here is MY favorite LRL video http://www.okmmetaldetectors.com/pro...x4.php?lang=en
    Last edited by Jeffro; Jul 01, 2012 at 07:14 PM.

  5. #275
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigcypresshunter View Post
    I guess it never occurred to you that Ovid knew this was a Pirate site.

    It seems more important to you to prove Ovid and your LRL is for real than finding treasure. Gold in the swamp and I would be convinced.
    BCH,you made a couple of valid points.
    According to previous posts made by BDD on this thread,Ovid had a WELL MARKED ROAD ATLAS,and he was active in treasure hunting for over 40years.
    Do you suppose that Ovid read many treasure books and magazines during this time and had a working knowledge of alleged treasure legend sites?
    On his long drives with BDD,is it not possible that Ovid learned what BDD wanted to hear and used it to his advantage?
    Maybe Ovid wanted a LAST TANGO on the treasure trail,and this was his opportunity for a free ride,all he had to do was perform a couple of pendulum magic tricks and regale a true believer with tales of gold and glory.
    As for the two guys with there wonderful magic LRL machine,In a past century that would probably sold snake oil at a traveling medicine show.
    As for gold in the swamp,it must be there because a native American shaman performed a ceremony at the same spot that a local called "cloud mountain" ,and Ovid and the LRL guys concurred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kentucky Kache View Post
    First of all, who are my friends? It's YOU who said, "However all WE ever get is excuses and wordplay." Who are YOUR friends?

    I put the question to you. If your metal detector gives you a signal over a certain spot, and then you dig that spot and find a silver coin, does that mean it's possible that your detector had nothing to do with it? Maybe it was just luck that it sounded off where that coin was?

    No idea what was meant by the "friends" part. I really don't communicate with anybody from this site other than in plain view.

    and for the second part, show me an LRL that will sound off like a metal detector and I'll believe you.

    If Randi offered me a million dollars to prove my metal detector works repeatedly, damn straight I'd be there to claim the prize!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kentucky Kache View Post
    This has nothing to do with what I can show you. The story here is that an LRL pinpointed the site. Either you believe it, or you don't.



    That's if it really is a pirate treasure site and not another one of BBD's cesspool excavations!

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    Wow, you really are a strange individual. Are you drinking by chance?

    Originally Posted by Jeffro
    and for the second part, show me an LRL that will sound off like a metal detector and I'll believe you.



    This has nothing to do with what I can show you. The story here is that an LRL pinpointed the site. Either you believe it, or you don't.



    Originally Posted by Jeffro
    If Randi offered me a million dollars to prove my metal detector works repeatedly, damn straight I'd be there to claim the prize!



    And I suppose you'd be willing to believe everything the amazing Randi tells you. Is that about right? Do you believe everything Randi says to be true? Do you agree with him on everything he says is false?

  9. #279
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kentucky Kache View Post
    That's your answer to my questions? And I'M the strange one? You can't answer my question about the detector signal, so I guess I shouldn't expect you the answer the other ones.

    You win. Your completely scientific approach has won me over. I now believe in LRL's.....

  10. #280
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    Ive been working eBay tonight and I sure missed a lot. Im going to try and keep an open mind and see what happens. I would have to see an LRL work more than 1x before I would believe and I dont think that is too much to ask for a treasure locator to work 2 times in a row.

    Did anybody think of what I said earlier? Some of these LRLs can detect a signal from 5 miles away! I ask myself how is this possible when every house and every car passed on the highway probably has some gold or silver? It would detect in every direction. Am I correct or not?

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    Somebody needs to develop a sense of humor. This thread is a long running comedy.

  12. #282
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    Dang, I sure missed a lot while I was out working. You all like to argue. What happened to my request that we all get along ?.

    BCH-You will probably never believe in LRL's no matter what you read. Again, you need to put yourself into a position where you can see one operate in the field as part of a test. You can find either side of an arguement on the internet and it is always easy to go with the side that makes you feel like your right.

    Kentucky Kache-If you have written a book on treasure hunting and have been on TN this long, I have to hand it to you. You have more patience than I do. It sometimes seems like a lot of people completely ignore rational lines of thinking that don't fit their side of an argument. It's all getting a little old to me.

    ECS-I have tried to give you the benefit of the doubt. It has now become obvious to me that you have a real attitude problem. Your fixation on trying to make me look like some sort of fool has gotten real old. In real life I would set you straight real fast. Ovid was a unique individual and I and everyone that met him had the utmost respect for him. For you to come on here and slander him is unacceptable. With all your supposed skills at researching, you could not seem to find any info on pirate silver at Rocky Bluff when even a 5th grader could find the links through TN. You only seem to find the facts that work for your somewhat weak arguements. If you can't find something positive to say, I would prefer that you stay off this thread.

    I spent time in the army and had a lot of specialized training. Everything works on the principal of go or no go. We went with things that worked. I have spent the last 33 years in the construction business. I also have a real estate license. I have a great reputation in the business world where I live. My family has a great reputation. I can understand people not believing parts of my story. To write me off as some sort of charlatan is very disrespectful. I am 56 years old, have a college degree and graduated from the school of hard knocks a long time ago.

    I started this thread to see if anyone could help in my quest to get the State of Florida to allow me to dig up a possible abandoned treasure trove. I have been turned down twice by the FDOT. My initial request with the Historical Resources Division was turned down over the phone as I was told they would not consider letting me dig for treasure no matter what the circumstances. In the last week I tried once more to talk to them and have been ignored.

    I am now proceeding to the next level. There will be an extensive news article in the St. Pete Times. I anticipate more newspaper stories and am prepared to go to the TV news organizations in my area. This is mostly about principle. The treasure located on state property in Florida whether it is on land or in the water, belongs to the tax paying citizens of of Florida, not archeologists or government officials.

    The Florida government is claiming to be short on capital. There is billions of dollars in treasure hidden on state property. There are thousands of treasure hunters who would be willing to help find and recover it just for the thrill of the hunt and digging. Of course getting credit for the find and maybe a share of it would only be fair.

    The state archeologists control the permitting process. At the moment their stance is that they will not issue ANY permits for treasure hunting. This is selffish, childish, and short-sighted. The treasures will eventually be dug up. The ones that are dug up without state approval will not benefit the taxpayers. To think that by denying permits will stop the modern day pirates is naive. I am trying to do things the right way. I am trying to be a good citizen. It appears I may need to start a "crusade" to change the way the laws are now.

    There are provisions within the statutes that would allow the Historical Resources Division to work with me as an indivdual or corporation. There are provisions within the statutues that state the Historical Resources Division is obligated to recover and protect a possible treasure if it is in danger of being taken by unauthorized treasure hunters or looters. I have provided the FDOT with copies of these statutes. They are choosing to bury their heads in the sand in regards to the information I have provided to them in writing.

    I told them up front of the consequences of inaction on their part. I will now follow through with the next phase of this undertaking. I will attempt to go over their head if it means bringing this to the attention of Gov. Scott. He is not an ex-lawyer. He is a business man. This can only help the state. This could be a win-win situation for everyone except the Archeologists who want it all for themselves.

    The archies are not virtuous angels. There are instances on record of them stealing the treasures that they are supposed to protect. There are stories out there of real treasure being exchanged for fakes. There are stories of things dissappearing. Kind of like the fox guarding the henhouse.

    If I am stepping on any toes on here, so be it. I am not here to make friends or try to please anyone. If you don't like what I have to say, stay off this thread. It's your choice.

    I almost forgot to mention, it is very possible that there may be nothing at the site that I have identified. It could be a lot of hoopla for nothing. Time will tell.
    Last edited by Bigdogdad; Jul 01, 2012 at 09:43 PM.
    You can lead a man to treasure but you can't make him dig.
    There is such a thing as a stupid question.
    Common sense is no longer common.
    Facts are cheap, knowledge is priceless.
    While the dog's away, the rats will play.
    If you keep teasing the dog, your liable to get bit.
    Tonight is the night.

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    I really wonder about the mental state of people today !

    BDD says one of the reasons he can't get permission to dig is the authorities consider him a "Treasure Hunter". Why not when his unpublished book is called "My Treasure Story" ?

    Next consider the fact he talks of coming home from work....why would a successful treasure hunter need to work ?

    Third, and this is always the killer question, having been shown the sites of "dozens of more treasures" why haven't they been recovered ?

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    U.K.Brian-I will try my best to address your concerns. Yes, I too am concerned about the mental state of people today. So many lead such sad lives that they feel the need to try to make other people look bad. This must somehow make themselves feel better. I have nothing but sympathy for these poor souls.

    Yes, I consider myself a treasure hunter. My point is, since when did that become a bad thing? Has it always been that way? I have never felt guilty about it. I will admit that shows such as "American Digger" tend to make us look bad. The archeologists are doing their best to portray us as people unworthy of digging up buried treasure. They only want it for themselves, although they seem to have no desire to do any digging for it.

    When I decided to write a book, (I don't think this is considered a bad thing, yet) I needed to come up with a name for my treasure story. So I thought about and voila, I called it "My Treasure Story". Wouldn't you know it but mytreasurestory.com was available for the princely sum of about 10 bucks on godaddy.com. Thinking that someday there might be a movie based on it (my severely swelled head and over-inflated ego cause me to have these delusional thoughts) I came up with an incredibly clever name for the the treasure story. I decided to call it "The Treasure Story". Now wouldn't ya just know it, I applied with godaddy.com for this name and presto, 10 bucks later I now proudly own thetreasurestory.com. Heck. it must be some sorta fate.

    Ok I said something about work. Where did I ever call myself a "successful" treasure hunter? If I were does that mean I can no longer work? Does mowing my acres of grass count as work (actually I enjoy it). Maybe I should have had my lawn man take care of it. Oh that's right, I don't have a lawn man. Now if I were rich I might have a nice looking babe in a bikini taking care of that chore for me. Hey maybe I should have said I was doing the "chores" instead of working.

    I am also restoring a CJ-7 jeep for my own use. I just completed a frame-off restoration and re-wired it yesterday. In fact me and the wifey took it for a spin around the estate yesterday. Well maybe 5 acres is not an estate. Maybe I should not have referred to working on the jeep as work. My bad. In fact I should have said something to the effect of "How busy all you lads have been on this TN site whilst I was out playing on the lawn toy and puttering around on my big boy toy jeep". Remember I am new to TN and don't know the proper rules of how to respond to the jests and jabs at my good name.

    Third- Why haven't I recovered the dozens of treasures that I have been shown the location of? Again I never said I was successful. If you really want to read all the sad details of my past failures you are going to have to read my book. Just so you will remember it is called MY TREASURE STORY.

    If the tone here seems a tad sarcastic, it was intentional. This is about as nice as I can be. I was up late getting the pictures ready for the book and got up early as i have to go make some more money as the bill collectors are relentless. Maybe someday I will be more successful in life. I will try to do my best. Everybody have a nice day.

    I almost forgot. U.K-Brian-My "killer" question for you is- As it appears you may hold some sort of record for the amount of treasure hunting devices owned, I count 16 plus, you must have recovered "tons" of buried goodies, true or false? Please tell us of your most impressive find. I am dying for an answer to these killer questions.
    Last edited by Bigdogdad; Jul 02, 2012 at 12:18 PM.
    You can lead a man to treasure but you can't make him dig.
    There is such a thing as a stupid question.
    Common sense is no longer common.
    Facts are cheap, knowledge is priceless.
    While the dog's away, the rats will play.
    If you keep teasing the dog, your liable to get bit.
    Tonight is the night.

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    BCH- Thanks for sticking up for me but I think I can handle these lightweight questions.
    Last edited by Bigdogdad; Jul 02, 2012 at 12:17 PM.
    You can lead a man to treasure but you can't make him dig.
    There is such a thing as a stupid question.
    Common sense is no longer common.
    Facts are cheap, knowledge is priceless.
    While the dog's away, the rats will play.
    If you keep teasing the dog, your liable to get bit.
    Tonight is the night.

 

 
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