Absurd Oak Island Math - Is the Entire Show a Hoax?

[ECS]

I will tell you what. You can keep up with the negativity all you want. There are still people researching and still believe. I sent a message well two messages tonight. One to Laird Niven and the other to Petter Admundson. Petter Admundson was right about the works of Shakespeare and the location of the treasure on Oak Island. Sir Henry Sinclair's ship the Katherine was sweep over the cove where Fred Nolan's property is today and 1/2 the distance to the South Shore. The Knights Templar over 200 plus crew and local Mic Maq Indian help tried for 5 weeks to dig a trench to get the Katherine into the water on the South Shore. They were unsuccessful. They unloaded the ship and buried the treasure in two locations. One at Mercy Point and the other in the northern cove up near Fred Nolan's property. The one on the North shore was recovered in 1770. The other was abandoned due to water. Rev. John Seccombe knew where the treasure was buried on Oak Island. So did several other members of other Masonic Lodges. Before moving to Chester, Rev. Seccombe had a daughter he named Mercy. She was in to Astronomy and Astrology. In 1769 Rev. John Seccombe and John Fraser took John Wymmes Sr. on Oak Island to reveal the locations of the treasures to him He went to other Islands and marked those treasures on hand drawn maps. Later, that year, there was a meeting Philadelphia with Benjamin Franklin, John Wymmes Sr. and several Provisional Presidents present. They also had the approval of the Rhode Island Masonic Lodge where Paul Revere was the Grandmaster. They all decided to recover the treasures from Mahone Bay for the American Revolution. In 1770, John Wymmes Sr. had his sons, one from S.C. and the other from N.C. along with 56 or more fellow Masons and their slaves to go North by wagons and recover the treasures. They were successful recovering 5 1/2 shiploads of treasure and taking it by three ships from Scotland to the Potomac River and unload it by using whaling boats to take it to an Island and place the treasures into an underground vault that had been prepared and built by slaves for two years prior to the recovery. Only 1/2 shipload of treasure was not recovered and that was the 1/2 shipload of treasure of the Katherine on Oak Island. Petter was right the treasure was buried at Mercy Point.

TOTAL REVISIONIST HISTORY FOR PROFIT.
Unless you can present outside collaboration that any of this is NOT fabricated history, it appears that the only source for this bogus nonsense junk is Diana Jean Muir.
Since NO treasure has been found at Mercy Point, Petter Amundsen is about "right" as his is about Bacon placing coes in Shakespeare's works.

PS: I am surprised that Laird Niven has gotten involved with this show.
Then again, archaeologist don't make that much, must be in it for the money.

 

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[Al D]

I will tell you what. You can keep up with the negativity all you want. There are still people researching and still believe. I sent a message well two messages tonight. One to Laird Niven and the other to Petter Admundson. Petter Admundson was right about the works of Shakespeare and the location of the treasure on Oak Island. Sir Henry Sinclair's ship the Katherine was sweep over the cove where Fred Nolan's property is today and 1/2 the distance to the South Shore. The Knights Templar over 200 plus crew and local Mic Maq Indian help tried for 5 weeks to dig a trench to get the Katherine into the water on the South Shore. They were unsuccessful. They unloaded the ship and buried the treasure in two locations. One at Mercy Point and the other in the northern cove up near Fred Nolan's property. The one on the North shore was recovered in 1770. The other was abandoned due to water. Rev. John Seccombe knew where the treasure was buried on Oak Island. So did several other members of other Masonic Lodges. Before moving to Chester, Rev. Seccombe had a daughter he named Mercy. She was in to Astronomy and Astrology. In 1769 Rev. John Seccombe and John Fraser took John Wymmes Sr. on Oak Island to reveal the locations of the treasures to him He went to other Islands and marked those treasures on hand drawn maps. Later, that year, there was a meeting Philadelphia with Benjamin Franklin, John Wymmes Sr. and several Provisional Presidents present. They also had the approval of the Rhode Island Masonic Lodge where Paul Revere was the Grandmaster. They all decided to recover the treasures from Mahone Bay for the American Revolution. In 1770, John Wymmes Sr. had his sons, one from S.C. and the other from N.C. along with 56 or more fellow Masons and their slaves to go North by wagons and recover the treasures. They were successful recovering 5 1/2 shiploads of treasure and taking it by three ships from Scotland to the Potomac River and unload it by using whaling boats to take it to an Island and place the treasures into an underground vault that had been prepared and built by slaves for two years prior to the recovery. Only 1/2 shipload of treasure was not recovered and that was the 1/2 shipload of treasure of the Katherine on Oak Island. Petter was right the treasure was buried at Mercy Point.

Here is some proof that Muir knows little historic fact.
Paul Revere was only the lodge secretary in 1769, he was not a Grand Master and did not become a Grand Master until 1795.
It may seem like a small deal but daes are everything....if Muir can’t get the dates right, she obviously has trouble getting anything else correct.....her “opinion” is only that and should not be taken as credible.

 

[n2mini]

I always find it amusing that they will be showing Rick Lagina doing something on the island and he will have long hair, then they cut to a side interview with him talking about something like it just happened, and he will have short hair all of a sudden. Then to another clip with long hair, then another to short hair, talking like it all like it happened on that same day, lol.

Every reality type show does this. It's no big deal. The show is filmed and then as they are "producing" what we will actually watch they have these "side interviews" to help narrate what is happening.

 

[n2mini]

I can repeat it for you but I can't understand it for you.

I admitted that what you claim is possible, that doesn't make it so, though and just because you keep saying it doesn't make it a fact...( some of ya'll have a term you throw out all the time for this ) Do you have his bank statements to show us? His work history/business dealings to show how he is actually making money to be able to buy up land and islands... That's all I'm trying to get across is NO ONE KNOWS so anything is possible. All the stories about him claim he bought goods in town with gold coins. Did he find them on OI, maybe, did people buy his cabbage with gold coins, maybe...

 

[ECS]

Here is some proof that Muir knows little historic fact.
Paul Revere was only the lodge secretary in 1769, he was not a Grand Master and did not become a Grand Master until 1795.
It may seem like a small deal but dates are everything....if Muir can’t get the dates right, she obviously has trouble getting anything else correct.....her “opinion” is only that and should not be taken as credible.

Paul Revere was NOT, as mentioned in Franklin's POST, a member of the Rhode Island Masonic Lodge.
The two Lodges he was involved were both in Boston, St Andrews Lodge, The Rising States Lodge which he founded.
As noted by Alan N, Revere later became the Grand Master of the Massachusetts Grand Lodge.

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

I will tell you what. You can keep up with the negativity all you want. There are still people researching and still believe. I sent a message well two messages tonight. One to Laird Niven and the other to Petter Admundson. Petter Admundson was right about the works of Shakespeare and the location of the treasure on Oak Island. Sir Henry Sinclair's ship the Katherine was sweep over the cove where Fred Nolan's property is today and 1/2 the distance to the South Shore. The Knights Templar over 200 plus crew and local Mic Maq Indian help tried for 5 weeks to dig a trench to get the Katherine into the water on the South Shore. They were unsuccessful. They unloaded the ship and buried the treasure in two locations. One at Mercy Point and the other in the northern cove up near Fred Nolan's property. The one on the North shore was recovered in 1770. The other was abandoned due to water. Rev. John Seccombe knew where the treasure was buried on Oak Island. So did several other members of other Masonic Lodges. Before moving to Chester, Rev. Seccombe had a daughter he named Mercy. She was in to Astronomy and Astrology. In 1769 Rev. John Seccombe and John Fraser took John Wymmes Sr. on Oak Island to reveal the locations of the treasures to him He went to other Islands and marked those treasures on hand drawn maps. Later, that year, there was a meeting Philadelphia with Benjamin Franklin, John Wymmes Sr. and several Provisional Presidents present. They also had the approval of the Rhode Island Masonic Lodge where Paul Revere was the Grandmaster. They all decided to recover the treasures from Mahone Bay for the American Revolution. In 1770, John Wymmes Sr. had his sons, one from S.C. and the other from N.C. along with 56 or more fellow Masons and their slaves to go North by wagons and recover the treasures. They were successful recovering 5 1/2 shiploads of treasure and taking it by three ships from Scotland to the Potomac River and unload it by using whaling boats to take it to an Island and place the treasures into an underground vault that had been prepared and built by slaves for two years prior to the recovery. Only 1/2 shipload of treasure was not recovered and that was the 1/2 shipload of treasure of the Katherine on Oak Island. Petter was right the treasure was buried at Mercy Point.

Amundson......yet another purveyor of fiction....and you are still waffling from the “treasure” was never on hoax island to it was/is on hoax island, etc.

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

Alan M and ECS.......

There you go again posting empirical facts disproving all of the hoax island fiction being posted here...

 

[ECS]

I have several of her genealogy books. For the most part they are accurate.
I have her two books with all the Knight's Templars names in different countries.
I have three on the Weems, Sinclair and other families. I have her first two books on the Journals of Prince Henry Sinclair...
I trust her research and her work...

One only has to read Muir's genealogy report she prepared for Scott Wolter showing descent from Norwegian sea-kings, Merovingians, Irish Tara Kings, Plantagenets, Fisher Kings, Weems, Henry Sinclair, all sorts of famous families from fact and fictional history that she traced all the back to BC Jerusalem to realize that Diana Jean Muir's genealogies are not that accurate and filled with fantastic unproven family connections with embellished tales of greatness.
Muir is labeled as a "quack" by professional genealogists.

 

[ECS]

... Sir Henry Sinclair's ship the Katherine was sweep over the cove where Fred Nolan's property is today and 1/2 the distance to the South Shore. The Knights Templar over 200 plus crew and local Mic Maq Indian help tried for 5 weeks to dig a trench to get the Katherine into the water on the South Shore. They were unsuccessful.
They unloaded the ship and buried the treasure in two locations. One at Mercy Point and the other in the northern cove up near Fred Nolan's property.
The one on the North shore was recovered in 1770. The other was abandoned due to water.

Rev. John Seccombe knew where the treasure was buried on Oak Island. So did several other members of other Masonic Lodges. Before moving to Chester, Rev. Seccombe had a daughter he named Mercy. She was in to Astronomy and Astrology.
In 1769 Rev. John Seccombe and John Fraser took John Wymmes Sr. on Oak Island to reveal the locations of the treasures to him He went to other Islands and marked those treasures on hand drawn maps.
Later, that year, there was a meeting Philadelphia with Benjamin Franklin, John Wymmes Sr. and several Provisional Presidents present. They also had the approval of the Rhode Island Masonic Lodge where Paul Revere was the Grandmaster. They all decided to recover the treasures from Mahone Bay for the American Revolution.

In 1770, John Wymmes Sr. had his sons, one from S.C. and the other from N.C. along with 56 or more fellow Masons and their slaves to go North by wagons and recover the treasures. They were successful recovering 5 1/2 shiploads of treasure and taking it by three ships from Scotland to the Potomac River and unload it by using whaling boats to take it to an Island and place the treasures into an underground vault that had been prepared and built by slaves for two years prior to the recovery.
Only 1/2 shipload of treasure was not recovered and that was the 1/2 shipload of treasure of the Katherine on Oak Island...

It is totally amazing that Diana Jean Muir is the ONLY one to know this important part of American history concerning the funding of the Revolution, while all professional historians credit Robert Morris Jr with that.
Then again, Diana Jean Muir is NOT AWARE that contemporary Medieval Diplomas and documents that prove that Henry Sinclair NEVER left Scottish territory at any tome, and was neither a Prince nor a Templar.

No voyage, no good ship Katherine, no Templar treasure on Oak Island = NO recovery by Wymmes & sons and 56 Freemasons.
It is time to stop repeating Muir's unproven, unsupported by real solid historical facts, fantasy fabricated junk history.

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

"No voyage, no good ship Katherine, no Templar treasure on Oak Island = NO recovery by Wymmes & sons and 56 Freemasons.
It is time to stop repeating Muir's unproven, unsupported by real solid historical facts, fantasy fabricated junk history."

+1000......

 

[franklin]

No I am going to carry Diana Muir and her Journals of Prince Henry Sinclair until the treasures are recovered.

 

[Al D]

I will tell you what. You can keep up with the negativity all you want. There are still people researching and still believe. I sent a message well two messages tonight. One to Laird Niven and the other to Petter Admundson. Petter Admundson was right about the works of Shakespeare and the location of the treasure on Oak Island. Sir Henry Sinclair's ship the Katherine was sweep over the cove where Fred Nolan's property is today and 1/2 the distance to the South Shore. The Knights Templar over 200 plus crew and local Mic Maq Indian help tried for 5 weeks to dig a trench to get the Katherine into the water on the South Shore. They were unsuccessful. They unloaded the ship and buried the treasure in two locations. One at Mercy Point and the other in the northern cove up near Fred Nolan's property. The one on the North shore was recovered in 1770. The other was abandoned due to water. Rev. John Seccombe knew where the treasure was buried on Oak Island. So did several other members of other Masonic Lodges. Before moving to Chester, Rev. Seccombe had a daughter he named Mercy. She was in to Astronomy and Astrology. In 1769 Rev. John Seccombe and John Fraser took John Wymmes Sr. on Oak Island to reveal the locations of the treasures to him He went to other Islands and marked those treasures on hand drawn maps. Later, that year, there was a meeting Philadelphia with Benjamin Franklin, John Wymmes Sr. and several Provisional Presidents present. They also had the approval of the Rhode Island Masonic Lodge where Paul Revere was the Grandmaster. They all decided to recover the treasures from Mahone Bay for the American Revolution. In 1770, John Wymmes Sr. had his sons, one from S.C. and the other from N.C. along with 56 or more fellow Masons and their slaves to go North by wagons and recover the treasures. They were successful recovering 5 1/2 shiploads of treasure and taking it by three ships from Scotland to the Potomac River and unload it by using whaling boats to take it to an Island and place the treasures into an underground vault that had been prepared and built by slaves for two years prior to the recovery. Only 1/2 shipload of treasure was not recovered and that was the 1/2 shipload of treasure of the Katherine on Oak Island. Petter was right the treasure was buried at Mercy Point.

Please explain how you can get 5 1/2 ship loads of treasure from one ship,

 

[ECS]

No I am going to carry Diana Muir and her Journals of Prince Henry Sinclair until the treasures are recovered.

You'll be carrying that "load" for a very long time.
'NUFF SAID!

 

[Al D]

Franklin....try to get this FACT straight in your head
PAUL REVERE WAS NEVER A GRAND MASTER IN 1769.....Period

 

[ECS]

Are there any sources other than Muir?

That is the ONLY source if this fictional history Franklin continues to post as fact.
Real research involves more than just reading books by Muir and accepting her fabrications as true.
Outside collaboration from several sources is requited for verification of information to be considered accurate and true, of which there is NONE for Muir's creative version of history.

 

[franklin]

Franklin....try to get this FACT straight in your head
PAUL REVERE WAS NEVER A GRAND MASTER IN 1769.....Period

Those were the words of Diana Muir. Those words did not come from the Journals of Prince Henry Sinclair. So this discussion has no bearing on the Journals themselves. Paul Revere was a "Worshipful Master" of one of the Lodges in Boston in late 1769 or late 1770. In Nov. 1769 Paul Revere was made a Knights Templar. So no big deal the Grand master may have sent Paul Revere to the meeting in Philadelphia. I really do not know and do not care. They were all Freemasons and in the same business of creating a Revolution and making the colonies free.

 

[Actionman]

YES

 

[ECS]

Those were the words of Diana Muir...

...and Diana Jean Muir is not one that lets facts get in way of creating a good tale to sell to the gullible that believe her fictional rubbish as real researched history.

 

[Al D]

Those were the words of Diana Muir. Those words did not come from the Journals of Prince Henry Sinclair. So this discussion has no bearing on the Journals themselves. Paul Revere was a "Worshipful Master" of one of the Lodges in Boston in late 1769 or late 1770. In Nov. 1769 Paul Revere was made a Knights Templar. So no big deal the Grand master may have sent Paul Revere to the meeting in Philadelphia. I really do not know and do not care. They were all Freemasons and in the same business of creating a Revolution and making the colonies free.

It makes a big difference
to infer that a Grand Master could or would order other Freemasons to act in any way contrary to the Masonic charges and bylaws shows a serious ignorance of what Freemasons are and how they operate.
the meeting which took place just prior to the Boston Tea Party event was held at a tavern which also served as a Masonic lodge, it was attended by a few Masons who helped entice the action, however...it was not sanctioned by any Masonic authority, those men acted of their own accord.

 

[IDXMonster]

YES

This^^^^^^^^^^