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Ad hominem

An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an argument made personally against an opponent instead of against their argument.[2]Ad hominemreasoning is normally described as aninformal fallacy,[3][4][5] more precisely an irrelevance.[6]

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Abusive

Abusive ad hominem usually involves attacking the traits of an opponent as a means to invalidate their arguments. Equating someone's character with the soundness of their argument is a logical fallacy. Mere verbal abuse in the absence of an argument, however, is not ad hominem nor any kind of logical fallacy.[7]

Ad hominem abuse is not to be confused with slander or libel, which employ falsehoods and are not necessarily leveled to undermine otherwise sound stands with character attacks.

Circumstantial

Ad hominem circumstantial points out that someone is in circumstances such that they are disposed to take a particular position. Ad hominem circumstantial constitutes an attack on the bias of a source. This is fallacious because a disposition to make a certain argument does not make the argument false; this overlaps with the genetic fallacy (an argument that a claim is incorrect due to its source).[8]

The circumstantial fallacy applies only where the source taking a position is only making a logical argument from premises that are generally accepted. Where the source seeks to convince an audience of the truth of a premise by a claim of authority or by personal observation, observation of their circumstances may reduce the evidentiary weight of the claims, sometimes to zero.[9]

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Mandy Rice-Davies's famous testimony during the Profumo Affair, "Well, he would [say that], wouldn't he?", is an example of a valid circumstantial argument. Her point was that a man in a prominent position, accused of an affair with a callgirl, would deny the claim whether it was true or false. His denial, in itself, carries little evidential weight against the claim of an affair. Note, however, that this argument is valid only insofar as it devalues the denial; it does notbolster the original claim. To construe evidentiary invalidation of the denial as evidentiary validation of the original claim is fallacious (on several different bases, including that of argumentum ad hominem); however likely the man in question would be to deny an affair that did in fact happen, he could only be more likely to deny an affair that never happened.

Conflict of Interest: Where a source seeks to convince by a claim of authority or by personal observation, identification of conflicts of interest are not ad hominem – it is generally well accepted that an "authority" needs to be objective and impartial, and that an audience can only evaluate information from a source if they know about conflicts of interest that may affect the objectivity of the source. Identification of a conflict of interest is appropriate, and concealment of a conflict of interest is a problem.

Ad hominem

In Latin, the word homō (of which hominemis the accusative case) has the gender-neutral meaning of "a human being", "a person" (unlike the words in Romance languages it gave rise to, such as Frenchhomme and Italian uomo). A translation ofad hominem that preserves this gender-neutrality is "to the person". Ad hominem is an attack on the person, not the person's arguments.[10]

Tu quoque

Main article: Tu quoque
Ad hominem tu quoque (literally: "You also") refers to a claim that the source making the argument has spoken or acted in a way inconsistent with the argument. In particular, if Source A criticizes the actions of Source B, a tu quoque response is that Source A has acted in the same way. This argument is fallacious because it does not disprove the argument; if the premise is true then Source A may be a hypocrite, but this does not make the statement less credible from a logical perspective. Indeed, Source A may be in a position to provide personal testimony to support the argument.

For example, a father may tell his son not to start smoking as he will regret it when he is older, and the son may point out that his father is or was a smoker. This does not alter the fact that his son may regret smoking when he is older.

Guilt by association

Main article: Association fallacy
Guilt by association can sometimes also be a type of ad hominem fallacy if the argument attacks a source because of the similarity between the views of someone making an argument and other proponents of the argument.[8]

This form of the argument is as follows:

Source S makes claim C.
Group G, which is currently viewed negatively by the recipient, also makes claim C.
Therefore, source S is viewed by the recipient of the claim as associated to the group G and inherits how negatively viewed it is.
 

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And here I thought hominem was a person who hummed, because they couldn't sing :tongue3:

Thanks for straightening me out :icon_thumright: :laughing7:
 

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Argumental fallacies. There are about 160 of them. Some are so well hidden in arguments that it takes persistence to find them. Example is Ford's pardon of Nixon. Ford, being a lawyer, Ford had to have studied AF in law school but that didn't stop him from committing them in his pardon.
The fallacies (all 160) are committed constantly and especially on the internet.
 

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hvacker said:
Argumental fallacies. There are about 160 of them. Some are so well hidden in arguments that it takes persistence to find them. Example is Ford's pardon of Nixon. Ford, being a lawyer, Ford had to have studied AF in law school but that didn't stop him from committing them in his pardon.
The fallacies (all 160) are committed constantly and especially on the internet.

Yet so sad how so few people understand it anymore. Just look at the absolutely foolish arguments made on this board. It's sad.
 

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Yet so sad how so few people understand it anymore. Just look at the absolutely foolish arguments made on this board. It's sad.

It is hard to explain how someones argument isn't valid. Usually they've been arguing that way for years and have never understood what makes an argument invalid. Even harder to convince is an argument doesn't have to be true to be valid.
 

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