Found a Very Rare Military Button! NEW INFO ADDED 11 Aug 10

ColonialDude

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I have found many Revolutionary War buttons over the years, some of which are quite rare. I never thought my rarest button find yet would be from the War of 1812, but it appears as though that's the case.

When I dug this button I had been finding nothing but bottle caps and pull tabs from people camping and fishing. The hunt was not going well at all. Then, right by a picnic table I get a nice hit but it was very shallow. I expected a modern target, but at 3 inches or so I pulled this button out. When I first found it it was CAKED with dirt and looked to have nothing on the front at all. The back of the button was quite visible however, and when I saw the gold gilt and the backmark I knew I better take a closer look at the front. Usually I wait until I get home, but I had to know what this button was. I picked off a hard piece of dirt from the front and was stunned when I saw what was on the button. Not knowing U.S. buttons very well, I was confused as to what I had. I clearly saw 'United States Artillery' on the face, and a stack of 6 cannon balls. I knew based on the button design it was quite old, but not Revolutionary War. The War of 1812 made sense as there was a lot of activity during the conflict in that area. However, I had never seen a U.S. artillery button from the War of 1812 with this design. I figured it must date slightly before or after the war as I knew the backmark was a fairly old and good one.

When I got home I looked it up in Alberts book and was pleasantly surprised to see a RV of 100, which seemed to me to be quite rare in comparison to most buttons. The book seems to suggest at the time of printing the example in the photograph was the only known example. I have scoured the internet and all of my reference books, but can't find another example anywhere. I was told the example in the book is in the Smithsonian, although I can't confirm that. There is a note in Alberts under the button which points to the 'National Button Bulletin, May 1962' for more info on the particular example in the book. I don't have it, and can't find it. Any chance one of you owns this issue?? I would love to know what it says!

I am left wondering if this button is numer 2 of 2 known. Can anyone provide any more info on the button or confirm how many are known to be out there??

What I know of the button, it is a United States Artillery, 2nd Regiment button. Made in 1808. I am also told (but again can't confirm) there were only about 300 made as Armitage made them as samples, but never received the contract.

As you can see in one of the pics, the button was still quite dirty (even after I removed some caked on dirt in the field) when I got it home. I knew there was some gilt under there and hit it with some aluminum jelly. Cleaned up quite nice. The front is nice, but the back blows me away!
 

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Re: Found a Very Rare Military Button! (UPDATED with new INFO)

Tice is no lightweight regarding military buttons. After all , he did write a great reference book. However , his expertise seems to mainly center on Civil War buttons (I own his book), and is disappointingly lacking on earlier material, it seems. However, make no mistake about it, this is NOT a commonly found button. Other than the one in Alberts book, I have personally seen only 3 in 30 years. 1 from FL, 1 from GA, and 1 from NJ ; none have I been able to trade for as yet. It is indeed a SCREAMER of a find ! One alleged authority told the owner of one that there are approx. 20+ known examples. I have heard mixed reviews on this major dealers integrity, and do not know him personally, so take this info as you like. At any rate, $2000 seems a bit much, but all that gilt sure does'nt hurt ! Regardless, it won't sell cheap ! Hope this added experience helps. Congratulations - fieldslayer :icon_thumleft: P.S. - Those who think this is a reproduction , need to stick to hunting schoolyards ! :tongue3:
 

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Re: Found a Very Rare Military Button! (UPDATED with new INFO)

4-H said:
Poof!

Congratulations on the Banner :headbang:
It's where it belongs.

Thank you, and thanks to those who voted to put this button on the banner. Much appreciated!
 

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Re: Found a Very Rare Military Button! (UPDATED with new INFO)

fieldslayer said:
Tice is no lightweight regarding military buttons. After all , he did write a great reference book. However , his expertise seems to mainly center on Civil War buttons (I own his book), and is disappointingly lacking on earlier material, it seems. However, make no mistake about it, this is NOT a commonly found button. Other than the one in Alberts book, I have personally seen only 3 in 30 years. 1 from FL, 1 from GA, and 1 from NJ ; none have I been able to trade for as yet. It is indeed a SCREAMER of a find ! One alleged authority told the owner of one that there are approx. 20+ known examples. I have heard mixed reviews on this major dealers integrity, and do not know him personally, so take this info as you like. At any rate, $2000 seems a bit much, but all that gilt sure does'nt hurt ! Regardless, it won't sell cheap ! Hope this added experience helps. Congratulations - fieldslayer :icon_thumleft:

Thanks for your reply and info. I personally do not know Mr. Tice, and don't own his book for that matter. I thought his estimate on the value of the button was a little high, but wasn't going to argue. I have had several folks contact me with offers for this button. None quite as high as $2000, but some very decent offers.

I guess determining how many are known in collections is a difficult task, as we never know what people have hoarded away or in small unknown collections. I am most interested in knowing how many were made. I only know at this point that with the exception of mine there currently are no images or examples of this button to be found anywhere on the internet.

Does your collection or experience focus on War of 1812 buttons? (probably rev as well based on your avatar)

Thanks again for giving your opinion.
 

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Re: Found a Very Rare Military Button! (UPDATED with new INFO)

Beautiful and Rare button! I'm very much into American Military buttons and I can say i've never seen this one until now. Congrats on the well deserved Banner :wink:
 

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{Sentinel} said:
Beautiful and Rare button! I'm very much into American Military buttons and I can say i've never seen this one until now. Congrats on the well deserved Banner :wink:

:hello2: its where it belongs :wink:
 

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Re: Found a Very Rare Military Button! (UPDATED with new INFO)

I see "123" under the cannonballs too. "2" is most visible. I know nothing about buttons but is this a bad indicator?
 

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Re: Found a Very Rare Military Button! (UPDATED with new INFO)

Rakattack said:
I see "123" under the cannonballs too. "2" is most visible. I know nothing about buttons but is this a bad indicator?

the only bad indicator is that you people are seeing 123 and insisting it's there ::)

I will say this again...THERE IS NO 123 ON THIS BUTTON!!!
 

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Re: Found a Very Rare Military Button! (UPDATED with new INFO)

What a killer find and in that great of shape, just awesome.

"Very Rare" seems like an understatement.

Congrats on the find and much deserved Banner...

Brian in MA
 

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Re: Found a Very Rare Military Button! (UPDATED with new INFO)

ColonialDude said:
Rakattack said:
I see "123" under the cannonballs too. "2" is most visible. I know nothing about buttons but is this a bad indicator?

the only bad indicator is that you people are seeing 123 and insisting it's there ::)

I will say this again...THERE IS NO 123 ON THIS BUTTON!!!

Is it 321 instead :D
 

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Re: Found a Very Rare Military Button! (UPDATED with new INFO)

ColonialDude said:
Rakattack said:
I see "123" under the cannonballs too. "2" is most visible. I know nothing about buttons but is this a bad indicator?

the only bad indicator is that you people are seeing 123 and insisting it's there ::)

I will say this again...THERE IS NO 123 ON THIS BUTTON!!!

It's like a stain on a tree that someone thinks looks like the virgin mary - once it's mentioned people go looking for it!

I can only dream about finding a button like that!
 

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Re: Found a Very Rare Military Button! (UPDATED with new INFO)

Congrats on the sweeeeeeeet button, and a well deserved banner find! Breezie
 

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Re: Found a Very Rare Military Button! (UPDATED with new INFO)

Congratulations to you sir on a most excellant find. Looks very nice on top. Nice the way she cleaned up.
HH
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Re: Found a Very Rare Military Button! (UPDATED with new INFO)

So sorry, but I'm with the 123 loons... :dontknow:

artillery-123.jpg
 

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Re: Found a Very Rare Military Button! (UPDATED with new INFO)

Congrats on a well deserved banner! I hate to admit it, but I do see 123 on the second picture in the first post.
 

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Re: Found a Very Rare Military Button! (UPDATED with new INFO)

W57 said:
So sorry, but I'm with the 123 loons... :dontknow:

Well I guess you have reached the 5th and final stange...acceptance.

It's one thing for some of you to THINK you are seeing something on the button, but quite another for those who are trying to convince everyone else it's there, including the guy who found the thing and can actually hold it in his hand!!! THERE IS NO 123!!!!

I have to admit, this 123 thing is getting annoying enough, and off topic enough that I am ready to just pull the pictures or post.
 

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Re: Found a Very Rare Military Button! (UPDATED with new INFO)

Bry said:
I just saved the pic to my computer, and enlarged it,adjusted it and fine tuned it,,,123

sure thing bud
 

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