Bodfish Mike
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Ban, moratorium, not issuing permits, they are all effectively doing the same thing. Saying ban was just an easy way to say it, I assumed you knew what I meant. I'm a grown man, I try not to make a habit of "playing games" with people I don't know on the internet. Sometimes a question is just that, a question. So again, have you read the "science"?
Ace detector will be Fed property soon
Get lost...Your not a gold miner and obviously are Anti...So what are you doing here? Just trying to ruffle feathers
Just curious. What or who is a "recreational dredger"?
................So let me know if any of you want to go head to head in a polite debate.....otherwise just F**k OFF !
I'm really not crazy nor am I hostile but a little sipping gin and a bowl or two of local grown DogWalker makes me go off sometimes and makes my fingers plunk keys on my laptop...and I've found that if I duct tape pencils to my ears I can type and scratch my head at the same time ....just like this did to me last year:
https://www.thedailymeal.com/news/drink/new-oregon-bill-aims-ban-alcohol-public-beaches/040917
The moratorium, here in CA, has been going on since 2009, not two seasons. Plenty of time to figure it out is right. There has been a ton of evidence shown to defend dredging, if no one more knowledgeable posts I'll find some of it. There's actually dredging going on in various parts of the country with the sole purpose of creating/restoring fish habitat. There is dredging, all be it very expensive and highly ineffective, going on to remove mercury. Having said all that though, wouldn't the burden of proof be on the other side?
Oh, and the ban/moratorium thing is sort of like slang. Everyone knows there is no ban, but coming up on a decade sure makes it seem like one. Also, the moratorium didn't damage recreational dredging, it ended livelyhoods.
It's another "one" guys
There's a pattern
it comes and it goes
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"U.S. Waters" may be the big issue.
FingerChili your quote " As a fisherman, I thought "yeah, finally, I won't have to eat poisoned fish, or lose another species to man's selfish destruction."
Fishermen put a lot of lead in the river (not me I'm a dry fly elitist)
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/gold-prospecting/461767-show-off-your-lead-thread.html
Dredgers-- panners-- sluicers-- highbankers and even drywashers clean the lead and mercury up to slow down man's destruction
My dad likes to say.... California is not a state...it is a strange alien nation.. ( no disrespect for you normal cali residents)
They are rubbing it in your face! Every win for the Sierra club and the enviro wackos makes them even more arrogant and causes them to trample mining rights even more! A-holes are invading Oregon too.....
Yes a 'Survey' can take place under the 'Stream bed'......Thanks for asking......LOL.....this thread topic is not open for this.Survey?
As an ex-Californian, I've never killed or seen a dead fish caused by dredging. Fishermen kill fish.... Not gold dredgers, it's the plain truth. A fisherman believing some fool telling him that dredgers kill fish seems really idiotic to me. Fishermen kill fish... Duh... In 2011 my Gold dredging business was filed as a complete loss. I'm not really trying to be rude here, but only an idiot who kills fish, would try blaming the fishes deaths on someone who doesn't kill them. The envirowaco's have sure done a number on you fishermen... They made you all look like idiots to the innocent, took your money to fight against dredgers who actually provide food for the fish... Stupid is as stupid does, and this is the envirowaco's pulling the wool over all of your eyes. The Karuk Indians use nets and take fish by the thousands, so how can we miners even compare? Doesn't it seem funny that just as California was entering it's deepest economical depression in decades back in 2008-09, just as so many people were being put out of work, and so many of them were turning to gold mining for a living, that the state ran by the envirowaco's made it illegal to gold mine? Just like in the late 60's to mid 70's, Californians have always been easily able to make a living gold mining, and have always turned back to mining in times of need. The great depression of the 30's was never felt in California's rich gold country. This time in 2009, they purposely took mining out of the picture to plunge California deeper into debt, and if you look at the big picture, it has become a state that will Not legally allow itself to ever recover... A sanctuary state that spends billions to feed illegal's, while they push the legal citizens farther into the gutter.I agree, and as a detectorist and a miner I take a lot of weights and bullets.
It goes on...Mercury plays havoc on vertebrates’ development and their neurological and hormonal systems, and doses too low to kill can cause problems that aren’t always obvious in the wild, experts say. “Methylmercury is one of most toxic environmental pollutants we’ve ever come upon,” says Gary Heinz, a recently retired federal wildlife biologist who studied it over four decades.
As an ex-Californian, I've never killed or seen a dead fish caused by dredging. Fishermen kill fish.... Not gold dredgers, it's the plain truth. A fisherman believing some fool telling him that dredgers kill fish seems really idiotic to me. Fishermen kill fish... Duh... In 2011 my Gold dredging business was filed as a complete loss. I'm not really trying to be rude here, but only an idiot who kills fish, would try blaming the fishes deaths on someone who doesn't kill them. The envirowaco's have sure done a number on you fishermen... They made you all look like idiots to the innocent, took your money to fight against dredgers who actually provide food for the fish... Stupid is as stupid does, and this is the envirowaco's pulling the wool over all of your eyes. The Karuk Indians use nets and take fish by the thousands, so how can we miners even compare? Doesn't it seem funny that just as California was entering it's deepest economical depression in decades back in 2008-09, just as so many people were being put out of work, and so many of them were turning to gold mining for a living, that the state ran by the envirowaco's made it illegal to gold mine? Just like in the late 60's to mid 70's, Californians have always been easily able to make a living gold mining, and have always turned back to mining in times of need. The great depression of the 30's was never felt in California's rich gold country. This time in 2009, they purposely took mining out of the picture to plunge California deeper into debt, and if you look at the big picture, it has become a state that will Not legally allow itself to ever recover... A sanctuary state that spends billions to feed illegal's, while they push the legal citizens farther into the gutter.
Then there's those idiot fishermen blaming others for their own sell-fish dirty work... Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=POccSVWpcwE
And to think that around 15 years ago, the Karuk just wanted to become recognised so that they could open a casino to prostitute out our children...
California? No! State of Jefferson? Yes...