JESSE JAMES AND THE KNIGHTS OF THE GOLDEN CIRCLE A JOINT VENTURE

[Grizz12]

I heard the James boys were snowbirds and wintered in Florida

 

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[L.C. BAKER]

I heard the James boys were snowbirds and wintered in Florida: dontknow:

Logically, it would have made a lot of sense for him to travel South for the Winter. It looks like they would have made his hideout in Florida a money making resort bigger than the one they made in Stanton Missouri!

 

[Kace]

It would seem to me that a, a spa of health-giving waters and blufftop views along a riverfront would have caught the eye of the Pinkertons pretty quick with all of those men known to frequent the spot. I would have expected them to lay low under the radar a bit farther West where they were not wanted so much for robbing locally.

After Osceola was burned in 1861(same county) and citizens were killed, raped, robbed and burned out....John Younger killed 1874 and what happened to JJ's family up north 1875....Pinkerton's Were The Enemy in SWMO. They also quit looking for JJ and Co after the bombing at his family home due to the outcry that Pinkerton's were murderers.

The Union Militias were running rampant and Quantrill and Co were the only real protection those folks had, so naturally they hid and protected them when there as did everyone in the surrounding counties....even Jackson, Cass, Bates, Henry, Benton, Cedar, Vernon, Hickory who's residents did let each other know where the Union and Militias were located and heading.

If you ever get a chance to come look at the layout...you'll see why that area used was so perfect.

The Indian Chief Monegaw is who it's named after... but it didn't even have a post office til the very late 1880's and the healing springs were becoming more popular. It was a tourist destination site for southern sympathizers and their families.

Local boys who had protected the locals were more popular....and protected.

Kace

 

[Ol' Kentuck]

After Osceola was burned in 1861(same county) and citizens were killed, raped, robbed and burned out....John Younger killed 1874 and what happened to JJ's family up north 1875....Pinkerton's Were The Enemy in SWMO. They also quit looking for JJ and Co after the bombing at his family home due to the outcry that Pinkerton's were murderers.

The Union Militias were running rampant and Quantrill and Co were the only real protection those folks had, so naturally they hid and protected them when there as did everyone in the surrounding counties....even Jackson, Cass, Bates, Henry, Benton, Cedar, Vernon, Hickory who's residents did let each other know where the Union and Militias were located and heading.

If you ever get a chance to come look at the layout...you'll see why that area used was so perfect.

The Indian Chief Monegaw is who it's named after... but it didn't even have a post office til the very late 1880's and the healing springs were becoming more popular. It was a tourist destination site for southern sympathizers and their families.

Local boys who had protected the locals were more popular....and protected.

Kace

Windsor Review, June 9, 1904

 

[Kace]

Windsor Review, June 9, 1904

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Great Article on Cole Younger and Monegaw Kentuck!!

I'll have to dig out the old journal entries on Monegaw with the stories. I really like that area to troll the river and traipse around...lots of cool carvings and glyphs through there to look at.

Kace

 

[L.C. BAKER]

June of1904?? Wow!

 

[L.C. BAKER]

After Osceola was burned in 1861(same county) and citizens were killed, raped, robbed and burned.P Pinkerton's Were The Enemy in SWMO.

Kace

My point exactly. I would think that the gang would have been more likely to hang out where there were not so many lawmen looking for them when the heat was on in the 1861-70s.

 

[Kace]

June of1904?? Wow!

Yes...Going on the at the same time!

Kace

 

[Kace]

My point exactly. I would think that the gang would have been more likely to hang out where there were not so many lawmen looking for them when the heat was on in the 1861-70s.

I see what you mean...but it's shown time and again that those boys went where there was kin and friends. That's where they were protected and they had a lot of family, kin and friends in central and swmo

Monegaw was where it was Southern Friendly with Family and Friends. They could play, eat and sleep safely there with kin....anywhere else they couldn't do that.

If it were me in their boots...I'd choose that over strangers any day.

Pinkerton sent agents down there....that didn't end well for anyone. Granted... he wasn't the sharpest strategist. He got a lot of his agents killed....Even Jesse James Granddaughter, Ethel Rose Owens didn't think his stuff was very well guarded by them when she donated it all to the James farm..and was quoted as saying she hoped they did a better job of protecting it than they did trying to catch the guys. lol!!

Kace

 

[L.C. BAKER]

I see what you mean...but it's shown time and again that those boys went where there was kin and friends. That's where they were protected and they had a lot of family, kin and friends in central and swmo

Monegaw was where it was Southern Friendly with Family and Friends. They could play, eat and sleep safely there with kin....anywhere else they couldn't do that.

If it were me in their boots...I'd choose that over strangers any day.

Pinkerton sent agents down there....that didn't end well for anyone. Granted... he wasn't the sharpest strategist. He got a lot of his agents killed....Even Jesse James Granddaughter, Ethel Rose Owens didn't think his stuff was very well guarded by them when she donated it all to the James farm..and was quoted as saying she hoped they did a better job of protecting it than they did trying to catch the guys. lol!!

Kace

Blood is always a factor in most cases, but in the James boy's case they also had some Brothers that were more trustworthy when it came to matters of treason and murder, and those men were in a position to contradict and even direct the law. Never forget that Alan Pinkerton and Co. were on the railroad company's payroll and that he was also a Freemason. Pinkerton had some of the wealthiest men in the U.S. telling him what to do and when to do it. He did not order the firebombing of James's cabin that killed Jesse's brother. It was the inexperienced rent-a-cop operatives who took it on their own to bring death and destruction to innocent members of the James family. Alan Pinkerton had ordered the newly recruited Pinkerton operatives to lay low and WATCH for JJ and Co and to send word if they were spotted in the area and to take no further action. Was the owner of the nation's foremost detective agency, not any good at being a detective or was he really good at pulling the wool over people's eyes when paid to do so?

 

[Ol' Kentuck]

Blood is always a factor in most cases, but in the James boy's case they also had some Brothers that were more trustworthy when it came to matters of treason and murder, and those men were in a position to contradict and even direct the law. Never forget that Alan Pinkerton and Co. were on the railroad company's payroll and that he was also a Freemason. Pinkerton had some of the wealthiest men in the U.S. telling him what to do and when to do it. He did not order the firebombing of James's cabin that killed Jesse's brother. It was the inexperienced rent-a-cop operatives who took it on their own to bring death and destruction to innocent members of the James family. Alan Pinkerton had ordered the newly recruited Pinkerton operatives to lay low and WATCH for JJ and Co and to send word if they were spotted in the area and to take no further action. Was the owner of-of the nation's foremost detective agency, not any good at being a detective or was he really good at pulling the wool over people's eyes when paid to do so?

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1993-05-30-9305300394-story.html

" Yeatman, poring through files in the Library of Congress, unearthed letters from Allan Pinkerton that state the agency's involvement in the raid on "Castle James," as it was called by the detectives, from the earliest stages.

In Pinkerton's words: "I hear that the Jameses and Youngers are desperate men and that when we meet it must be the death of one or both of us. . . . There is no use talking, they must die."

Just before the attack he gave his final instructions. "Above everything, destroy the house to the fringe of the ground. . . . Let the men take no risk, burn the house down." "

 

[Ol' Kentuck]

https://www.apnews.com/74d09160481b176ff3310e1267b7c492

" Cited in the documentary is a letter discovered recently in the National Archives among late-1800s papers of Allan Pinkerton, head of the detective agency and founder of the Secret Service. His company, which once guarded Abraham Lincoln, was then working for robbery-plagued railroads and banks.

The letter, handwritten a month before the explosion, was addressed to lawyer Samuel Hardwicke of Liberty, a local contact for Pinkerton. Although parts of the letter are illegible, the documentary says Pinkerton gave Hardwicke detailed instructions for a raid on the farm in the hills outside Kearney.

At one point, the film says, Pinkerton told Hardwicke: ″Above everything destroy the house. ... Let the men take no risk, burn the house down.″

 

[Kace]

Blood is always a factor in most cases, but in the James boy's case they also had some Brothers that were more trustworthy when it came to matters of treason and murder, and those men were in a position to contradict and even direct the law. Never forget that Alan Pinkerton and Co. were on the railroad company's payroll and that he was also a Freemason. Pinkerton had some of the wealthiest men in the U.S. telling him what to do and when to do it. He did not order the firebombing of James's cabin that killed Jesse's brother. It was the inexperienced rent-a-cop operatives who took it on their own to bring death and destruction to innocent members of the James family. Alan Pinkerton had ordered the newly recruited Pinkerton operatives to lay low and WATCH for JJ and Co and to send word if they were spotted in the area and to take no further action. Was the owner of-of the nation's foremost detective agency, not any good at being a detective or was he really good at pulling the wool over people's eyes when paid to do so?

Where did you see Allan Pinkerton was a Freemason? What lodge did you find he belonged to? The guy was a lifelong Atheist....Which would exclude him from being a Mason as you know.

What Brothers are you talking about that JJ would trust more than his family, trusted loyal, local, longtime friends and those who were with him and Quantrill before, during and after the war?

I agree Pinkerton was on the RR payroll and that he Claimed to have foiled a plot to assassinate Lincoln.

If you look at His Personal Papers in LOC he most certainly Did Order the destruction of the James Home.

Personally I do not think he was a good detective...He had no regard for anyone's lives including his own agents and he Always sorely underestimated just how much the folks in Missouri would protect these guys after what the Union and Militias did to them.

Kace

 

[Kace]

https://www.apnews.com/74d09160481b176ff3310e1267b7c492

" Cited in the documentary is a letter discovered recently in the National Archives among late-1800s papers of Allan Pinkerton, head of the detective agency and founder of the Secret Service. His company, which once guarded Abraham Lincoln, was then working for robbery-plagued railroads and banks.

The letter, handwritten a month before the explosion, was addressed to lawyer Samuel Hardwicke of Liberty, a local contact for Pinkerton. Although parts of the letter are illegible, the documentary says Pinkerton gave Hardwicke detailed instructions for a raid on the farm in the hills outside Kearney.

At one point, the film says, Pinkerton told Hardwicke: ″Above everything destroy the house. ... Let the men take no risk, burn the house down.″

Just to add a bit to your post, you probably know this but...Hardwicke hightailed it to Minnesota shortly after he hightailed it from his home after the bombing, hiding like the coward he was knowing of Pinkerton's handwritten orders to throw a 'Greek Bomb' as he called it in the James Home. Saying it was safer up there...lol! He and Pinkerton thought they'd be Heroes... They turned into Zeros Pretty Fast.

Evidently he had been Allan Pinkerton's contact in the area Prior to the Fire Bombing as well.

There was Absolutely No Reason to do that...JJ and FJ weren't even there and even if they had of been...there were too many innocents in the home...including a Black Family. Typical Union and Pinkerton BS in Missouri.

Pinkerton wasn't good...he was just the only game in the country. The bar can be pretty low when you're not competing with anyone.

Big Bowler Hat....No Cattle

Kace

 

[Ol' Kentuck]

Just to add a bit to your post, you probably know this but...Hardwicke hightailed it to Minnesota shortly after he hightailed it from his home after the bombing, hiding like the coward he was knowing of Pinkerton's handwritten orders to throw a 'Greek Bomb' as he called it in the James Home. Saying it was safer up there...lol! He and Pinkerton thought they'd be Heroes... They turned into Zeros Pretty Fast.

Evidently he had been Allan Pinkerton's contact in the area Prior to the Fire Bombing as well.

There was Absolutely No Reason to do that...JJ and FJ weren't even there and even if they had of been...there were too many innocents in the home...including a Black Family. Typical Union and Pinkerton BS in Missouri.

Pinkerton wasn't good...he was just the only game in the country. The bar can be pretty low when you're not competing with anyone.

Big Bowler Hat....No Cattle

Kace

Yep, that is pretty much common knowledge fer anyone who bothers ta do real research. Great post.

I've come ta tha conclusion tha Big Hat, No Cattle syndrome has become "Protocol" in these parts.

 

[L.C. BAKER]

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1993-05-30-9305300394-story.html

" Yeatman, poring through files in the Library of Congress, unearthed letters from Allan Pinkerton that state the agency's involvement in the raid on "Castle James," as it was called by the detectives, from the earliest stages.

In Pinkerton's words: "I hear that the Jameses and Youngers are desperate men and that when we meet it must be the death of one or both of us. . . . There is no use talking, they must die."

Just before the attack he gave his final instructions. "Above everything, destroy the house to the fringe of the ground. . . . Let the men take no risk, burn the house down." "

All hearsay and opinions based on facts taken out of text and applied to a theory. Since when did the newspaper become acceptable as a ledger of facts OMG If that is the case then this article should close the case before it was opened!

"Just before the attack, he gave his final instructions."
written in a letter from who to who and when? and why?
COME on now....

 

[L.C. BAKER]

https://www.apnews.com/74d09160481b176ff3310e1267b7c492

" Cited in the documentary is a letter discovered recently in the National Archives among late-1800s papers of Allan Pinkerton, head of the detective agency and founder of the Secret Service. His company, which once guarded Abraham Lincoln, was then working for robbery-plagued railroads and banks.

The letter, handwritten a month before the explosion, was addressed to lawyer Samuel Hardwicke of Liberty, a local contact for Pinkerton. Although parts of the letter are illegible, the documentary says Pinkerton gave Hardwicke detailed instructions for a raid on the farm in the hills outside Kearney.

At one point, the film says, Pinkerton told Hardwicke: ″Above everything destroy the house. ... Let the men take no risk, burn the house down.″

More hearsay.....

 

[L.C. BAKER]

Where did you see Allan Pinkerton was a Freemason?

Kace

I believe it stands alone on reason. How else do you think detective Pinkerton could have penetrated the "Brotherhood" of the secret society of Freemasons ?

P.S. Ever wonder why Pinkerton refused investigation of public officials, jurors, or political parties?

Read more: https://www.referenceforbusiness.com/history2/95/Pinkerton-s-Inc.html#ixzz5gL1Of8l1

 

[L.C. BAKER]

Just a little food for thought...Sometimes people confuse three mental disorders, only one of which could be referred to as “common” within the population


read more here http://articles.latimes.com/1992-09-27/news/mn-210_1_jesse-james

 

[LUE-Hawn]

Hello All,

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