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Philvis said:
COULDN'T OF SAID IT ANY BETTER. LIKE THE OLD SAYING GOES "LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS"
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COULDN'T OF SAID IT ANY BETTER. LIKE THE OLD SAYING GOES "LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS"
Saturna
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Another option for Odyssey is to move the coins (and their head office) to a less 'treasure hostile' host, possibly the Cayman Islands or some such. If their ships are registered outside the USA anyway, why not....
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Saturna, Odyssey can't move the coins. They are locked up in Federal custody in an Orlando warehouse. What Odyssey should do is move their corporate headquarters to Equador or Peru. Those countries don't recognize Spains claims of soverignity and they salvage Spanish warships every day with no complaint from Spain.
MORE AND BEYOND OSSY
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Good Idea Salvor6, Just as long as Peru can keep the lot ! We wouldn't want you guys dealing in stolen goods !Salvor6 said:
Ossy
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HAVE DETECTOR WILL TRAVEL said:
Getting boring,same old.I would love to see some one here post, that they have returned treasure they have found to, as you say " Right full owner"
one word Hypocrites !
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Just not to the Spanish since they are the real theives............................
MORE AND BEYOND OSSY said:HAVE DETECTOR WILL TRAVEL said:
I would love to see some one here post, that they have returned treasure they have found to, as you say " Right full owner"
one word Hypocrites !
Ossy
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MORE AND BEYOND OSSY said:HAVE DETECTOR WILL TRAVEL said:
Or Spain gives up trying to sue treasure salvors and lets them keep whatever they find wherever.No news is good news.
MORE AND BEYOND OSSY
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You are still side stepping your argument, that the bad ass Spaniards stole it first, but it's OK for you to keep it 
There's nothing wrong in being a Treasure hunter, good luck to you, Live the dream
But don't use Spain as an excuse !!
Ossy
There's nothing wrong in being a Treasure hunter, good luck to you, Live the dream
But don't use Spain as an excuse !!
Ossy
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Hey Ossey, Joel Ruth is living the dream. He is salvaging Spanish warships in Equador and Spain does not complain one bit!
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Odyssey Reaches Agreement with UK Government on Dismissal of Admiralty Arrest and Salvage Award for Cannon from HMS Victory
Press Release
Source: Odyssey Marine Exploration, Inc.
On Friday September 18, 2009, 9:15 am EDT
TAMPA, Fla.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Odyssey Marine Exploration, Inc. (Nasdaq:OMEX - News), pursuant to an agreement reached with the UK Government, has filed a motion to dismiss and vacate the warrant for the arrest which was filed in the U.S. District Court on Admiral Balchin’s HMS Victory, a 100 gun ship of the line lost in 1744 in the English Channel (case number 8:08-cv-1045).
The UK Government has agreed to pay Odyssey a salvage award of 80% as compensation for the artifacts which have been recovered from the site and submitted to the UK Receiver of Wreck. A valuation of approximately $200,000 has been agreed for the two cannon recovered from the site, providing for a salvage award of approximately $160,000. The company will also be participating in the ongoing process of consultation to determine the approaches that should be adopted towards the wreck.
In 2008, in cooperation with the UK Ministry of Defence (MOD), Odyssey conducted an extensive archaeological pre-disturbance survey and recovered a 42 pdr and 12 pdr bronze cannon from the site. At the direction of the MOD, Odyssey presented the cannon to the UK Receiver of Wreck, and has been actively involved in their conservation and study.
“We look forward to cooperating with the MOD and other stakeholders in the archaeological management and preservation of Admiral Balchin’s HMS Victory,” commented Odyssey CEO, Greg Stemm from London, where he has spent the week meeting with UK officials. “I am pleased to announce that we have offered to forego part of our salvage award as a contribution of $75,000 to provide support to the National Museum of the Royal Navy to assist in realizing the historical, educational and cultural opportunities that the discovery of this important shipwreck offers to the public.”
“We’re thrilled that we’ve been able to return two cannon from Balchin’s Victory to the citizens of the United Kingdom, but these are just a small portion of the irreplaceable cultural artifacts that remain at the site,” Stemm continued. “We look forward to working with the UK Government and the archaeological community to help develop a strategy to protect this very significant cultural and naval heritage asset.”
“As the shipwreck has been positively identified as HMS Victory, a UK Royal Naval Vessel, we recognize the UK Government’s position is that the vessel has not been abandoned and therefore the shipwrecked vessel, its appurtenances and necessaries, and the personal effects of the officers and crew, are the property of Her Majesty’s Government,” commented Melinda MacConnel, Odyssey Vice President and General Counsel. “As such, in good faith, we have agreed to conduct any further activities relating to the shipwreck under the jurisdiction of applicable UK laws.”
About HMS Victory
HMS Victory was lost in 1744 under the command of Admiral Sir John Balchin. The direct predecessor and inspiration behind Nelson's flagship, Balchin's Victory was the mightiest and most technically advanced vessel of her age. She was lost during a storm with all hands and was the last Royal Navy warship to be lost at sea with a complete complement of bronze cannon. Two of the greatest admirals in English history, Sir John Norris and Sir John Balchin called her their flagship.
Press Release
Source: Odyssey Marine Exploration, Inc.
On Friday September 18, 2009, 9:15 am EDT
TAMPA, Fla.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Odyssey Marine Exploration, Inc. (Nasdaq:OMEX - News), pursuant to an agreement reached with the UK Government, has filed a motion to dismiss and vacate the warrant for the arrest which was filed in the U.S. District Court on Admiral Balchin’s HMS Victory, a 100 gun ship of the line lost in 1744 in the English Channel (case number 8:08-cv-1045).
The UK Government has agreed to pay Odyssey a salvage award of 80% as compensation for the artifacts which have been recovered from the site and submitted to the UK Receiver of Wreck. A valuation of approximately $200,000 has been agreed for the two cannon recovered from the site, providing for a salvage award of approximately $160,000. The company will also be participating in the ongoing process of consultation to determine the approaches that should be adopted towards the wreck.
In 2008, in cooperation with the UK Ministry of Defence (MOD), Odyssey conducted an extensive archaeological pre-disturbance survey and recovered a 42 pdr and 12 pdr bronze cannon from the site. At the direction of the MOD, Odyssey presented the cannon to the UK Receiver of Wreck, and has been actively involved in their conservation and study.
“We look forward to cooperating with the MOD and other stakeholders in the archaeological management and preservation of Admiral Balchin’s HMS Victory,” commented Odyssey CEO, Greg Stemm from London, where he has spent the week meeting with UK officials. “I am pleased to announce that we have offered to forego part of our salvage award as a contribution of $75,000 to provide support to the National Museum of the Royal Navy to assist in realizing the historical, educational and cultural opportunities that the discovery of this important shipwreck offers to the public.”
“We’re thrilled that we’ve been able to return two cannon from Balchin’s Victory to the citizens of the United Kingdom, but these are just a small portion of the irreplaceable cultural artifacts that remain at the site,” Stemm continued. “We look forward to working with the UK Government and the archaeological community to help develop a strategy to protect this very significant cultural and naval heritage asset.”
“As the shipwreck has been positively identified as HMS Victory, a UK Royal Naval Vessel, we recognize the UK Government’s position is that the vessel has not been abandoned and therefore the shipwrecked vessel, its appurtenances and necessaries, and the personal effects of the officers and crew, are the property of Her Majesty’s Government,” commented Melinda MacConnel, Odyssey Vice President and General Counsel. “As such, in good faith, we have agreed to conduct any further activities relating to the shipwreck under the jurisdiction of applicable UK laws.”
About HMS Victory
HMS Victory was lost in 1744 under the command of Admiral Sir John Balchin. The direct predecessor and inspiration behind Nelson's flagship, Balchin's Victory was the mightiest and most technically advanced vessel of her age. She was lost during a storm with all hands and was the last Royal Navy warship to be lost at sea with a complete complement of bronze cannon. Two of the greatest admirals in English history, Sir John Norris and Sir John Balchin called her their flagship.
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Saturna
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Also nice when the country they're dealing with is reasonable and doesn't except everything for nothing. 
And it looks incomparable chipper to get an agreement than going to a trial. How many cannons and historical stuff could Spain save, keep and show in a museum with the money that James Goold and his team are going to get from the spanish Gov? As my grand mother says: Mo´ better a bad agreement than a good trial. It looks like she is definitively right.
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Judge Merryday Strikes DOJ Amicus Brief...
O R D E R
Pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 517, the United States moves (Doc. 239) for
“Authorization to File Statement of Interest and Amicus Curiae Brief in Support of
Kingdom of Spain.” The plaintiff responds (Doc. 240) in opposition and alternatively
moves unopposed for leave to respond to the “Statement of Interest.”
The United States’ unauthorized motion is untimely and fails to comply with Local
Rule 3.01, which states that a motion requesting leave to submit a further memorandum
“shall not exceed three (3) pages, shall specify the length of the proposed filing, and
shall not include, as an attachment or otherwise, the proposed motion, response, reply,
or other paper.” Accordingly, the “Statement of Interest” (Doc. 239-2) and each exhibit
to the “Statement of Interest” is STRICKEN. The Clerk is directed to electronically
delete docket item numbers 239-2 through 239-10. Nevertheless the United States’
motion (Doc. 239) to submit a statement of interest is GRANTED. On or before
October 2, 2009, the United States may submit a statement of interest of no more than
ten (10) pages. Because the United States asserts an interest only after the
opportunity to offer evidence to the magistrate judge and after the report and
recommendation, the statement of interest may not include evidentiary matter, such as
an exhibit, affidavit, declaration, or any other evidentiary matter not offered to the
magistrate judge for consideration. The plaintiff’s unopposed motion (Doc. 241) to
respond to the statement of interest of the United States is GRANTED. No later than
ten (10) days after the United States submits the statement of interest, the plaintiff may
file a response of no more than ten (10) pages.
Finally, the plaintiff’s motion (Doc. 242) for leave to reply in support of the
objections to the magistrate judge’s report and recommendation is GRANTED. On or
before October 16, 2009, the plaintiff may submit a reply of no more than ten pages.
ORDERED in Tampa, Florida, on September 18, 2009.
O R D E R
Pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 517, the United States moves (Doc. 239) for
“Authorization to File Statement of Interest and Amicus Curiae Brief in Support of
Kingdom of Spain.” The plaintiff responds (Doc. 240) in opposition and alternatively
moves unopposed for leave to respond to the “Statement of Interest.”
The United States’ unauthorized motion is untimely and fails to comply with Local
Rule 3.01, which states that a motion requesting leave to submit a further memorandum
“shall not exceed three (3) pages, shall specify the length of the proposed filing, and
shall not include, as an attachment or otherwise, the proposed motion, response, reply,
or other paper.” Accordingly, the “Statement of Interest” (Doc. 239-2) and each exhibit
to the “Statement of Interest” is STRICKEN. The Clerk is directed to electronically
delete docket item numbers 239-2 through 239-10. Nevertheless the United States’
motion (Doc. 239) to submit a statement of interest is GRANTED. On or before
October 2, 2009, the United States may submit a statement of interest of no more than
ten (10) pages. Because the United States asserts an interest only after the
opportunity to offer evidence to the magistrate judge and after the report and
recommendation, the statement of interest may not include evidentiary matter, such as
an exhibit, affidavit, declaration, or any other evidentiary matter not offered to the
magistrate judge for consideration. The plaintiff’s unopposed motion (Doc. 241) to
respond to the statement of interest of the United States is GRANTED. No later than
ten (10) days after the United States submits the statement of interest, the plaintiff may
file a response of no more than ten (10) pages.
Finally, the plaintiff’s motion (Doc. 242) for leave to reply in support of the
objections to the magistrate judge’s report and recommendation is GRANTED. On or
before October 16, 2009, the plaintiff may submit a reply of no more than ten pages.
ORDERED in Tampa, Florida, on September 18, 2009.
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Now let's attempt to define this scurrilous "pirate talk
The true "black pirates" of the 21st century all have law degrees... arhh..
But I think this order out of one side of its mouth tells the DOJ which I think use
to be the , "Department of Justice" to stick it... While out of the other side
of its mouth the Federal Judge appears to be conditionally accepting inclusion of the
Department of state's narrow minded (bullcrap) position... brief for review..
The final vote is still not in but remember folks... this is just another example that
the rats are guarding the cheeze!
I had a Federal Judge once, reverse a magistrate's report and recommendation so...
stranger things have happened but, that was back in the 20th century before we
reverted back to feudalism - and our U.S. Government protecting the "royal interests"...
in the name of the (more bull crap) people... and the war graves act
The true "black pirates" of the 21st century all have law degrees... arhh..
But I think this order out of one side of its mouth tells the DOJ which I think use
to be the , "Department of Justice" to stick it... While out of the other side
of its mouth the Federal Judge appears to be conditionally accepting inclusion of the
Department of state's narrow minded (bullcrap) position... brief for review..
The final vote is still not in but remember folks... this is just another example that
the rats are guarding the cheeze!
I had a Federal Judge once, reverse a magistrate's report and recommendation so...
stranger things have happened but, that was back in the 20th century before we
reverted back to feudalism - and our U.S. Government protecting the "royal interests"...
in the name of the (more bull crap) people... and the war graves act
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Jeff, do you have the names of the individuals in the US Justice Dept. that are actually initiating this motion?
A federal judge ruled that the U.S. government may present a new motion favorable to the interests of Spain in the battle over $500 million in gold and silver coins salvaged more than two years ago by a Florida treasure-hunting.
A federal judge ruled that the U.S. government may present a new motion favorable to the interests of Spain in the battle over $500 million in gold and silver coins salvaged more than two years ago by a Florida treasure-hunting.
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