Rasputin
Sr. Member
Okay, everyone turn in their banner finds to the local police station. If they haven't been claimed after ninety days...
hogge said:LOOK....Is permission the right thing to ask for? ABSOLUTELY. In 10 yrs. in this hobby I have asked for permission no less than 25 times. I was refused once.
Going by this way of thinking....Every park, although considered "publc land", may IN FACT, be off limits to metal detectorists. Look at your towns laws and bylaws people, you may be giving this "Hobby" a black eye if you get caught. Also, being on public land, constitutes that ALL jewelry found HAS TO BE TURNED INTO THE POLICE DEPT., because this constitutes the "Right Thing to DO"! MORALLY, LEGALLY, and ETHICALLY. You are entering property to extract coins and jewelry that are NOT yours, and are, IN FACT, someone elses lost property. These items, being on PUBLIC TOWN, or CITY OWNED LAND, can actually be the property of said city or town. Or are you just fooling yourself by thinking it's public land and it's my right to detect here by being a taxpayer in this city or town? If you want to split hairs and be technical. Now..... Read the general laws in your own state(s), and see what is written about finding lost and found property and livestock and what your obligations are on finding such property. Or doesn't your self righteous conscience think these laws apply to YOU. Better yet, if your that concerned about the landowners rights, and his property, turn over everything you find to them. Afterall, it's HIS land and relics. ( This is the answer I'm going to get from this post)>>>> "I ALWAYS give the landowner the opportunity to take ALL that I have found. Because that's how I am, and I am not interested in the money or relics at all! Afterall, it's just a hobby to me" "As regards to hunting parks I ALWAYS check every bylaw, and consult my town officials to ensure metal detecting is allowed." I think I'm gonna be sick!Mark S. said:We are talking about intentional tresspass. This is very different from someone simply traversing land or taking photos. Someone who is knowingly and intentionally entering property without permission and remaining there for specific purposes which involve digging and removing items that legally belong to the owner. This is a whole different scenario. You are now getting into property damage and theft. I would bet that when it is all added together it would become criminal tresspass, property damage and theft.
Why take the chance? Why do something that you know is not right? Why not just ask permission and not have to look over your shoulder? Why take the chance of giving the hobby and yourself a bad name? I guarentee you that if someone did this in my area that all the neighbors would know about it real quick. What do you suppose their reply would be to the next guy that comes along and does the proper thing and asks permission?
My big question is why this even needs to be discussed? IT IS AN ILLEGAL ACT. You can split all the hairs you want. It is morally ethically and legally wrong.
There are alot of sites in my area that I have marked to search. All on private property. I know, am acquainted with or related to many of them. I will not set foot on their property without their expressed permission for metal detecting. That is not goody two shoes that is just common sense, respect and the proper thing to do.
hogge said:Yes he does...And I see his point. I just like to argue, and give a discending opinion. But I also have a point. If you follow the General Laws put forth by each state, You are not only obligated to turn in your finds, it basically says you HAVE TO turn them in to the proper authorities. Wait 90 days , to see if they are claimed. And if they are of high dollar value, pay a "Finders Fee" to claim such an item after the 90 days has elapsed. It differs from state to state but I think it's pretty much black and white. I'm not doing anything wrong hunting land, DEEP in the woods, that's unposted. Neither are 1/2 the people who treasure hunt or metal detect. And I resent the fact a couple of "holier than thou" think we are. You did the right thing by posting an item to try and find the rightful owner, but I still don't think the officers meant any harm or malice intent by her response. But I'm not going to sit back and have someone make dissending comments about where and how I hunt. Saying that guys are finding Banner Finds that aren't "Legal" because they were miles in the woods into an old settlement long lost. It's pretty much jealousy. I'm really not interested whether someone found a great find on public or posted land, as long as THEY found it, a hearty CONGRATS to them!
hogge said:Yes he does...And I see his point. I just like to argue, and give a discending opinion. But I also have a point. If you follow the General Laws put forth by each state, You are not only obligated to turn in your finds, it basically says you HAVE TO turn them in to the proper authorities.
NO.... You folks, that are the self professed "saviors" of our hobby, are our worst enemy. You invite restrictions by running your mouths to say you are "The great protectors". Your heart is in the right place......but your head is up....well.....somewhere else!lostcauses said:The stuff wrote in this thread is the why in Florida, Treasure_Hunter.
To ignore property and permission. And folks say it is OK to go to that property and take items you do not own. ROTFLOL
You folks have proved, the relic hunter is their own worst enemy.
Just because you get permission to hunt property, doesn't mean you ACTUALLY OWN what you dig either! If you believe that, your only fooling yourself to justify your position.BuckleBoy said:hogge said:Yes he does...And I see his point. I just like to argue, and give a discending opinion. But I also have a point. If you follow the General Laws put forth by each state, You are not only obligated to turn in your finds, it basically says you HAVE TO turn them in to the proper authorities.
That's great hogge, but Mark's reply was not about the legal in's and out's of this--it was a response to the fact that you Trespass on PRIVATE property for the purpose of metal detecting WITHOUT PERMISSION!
hogge said:Just because you get permission to hunt property, doesn't mean you ACTUALLY OWN what you dig either! If you believe that, your only fooling yourself to justify your position.BuckleBoy said:hogge said:Yes he does...And I see his point. I just like to argue, and give a discending opinion. But I also have a point. If you follow the General Laws put forth by each state, You are not only obligated to turn in your finds, it basically says you HAVE TO turn them in to the proper authorities.
That's great hogge, but Mark's reply was not about the legal in's and out's of this--it was a response to the fact that you Trespass on PRIVATE property for the purpose of metal detecting WITHOUT PERMISSION!