Rare 10th Regimental Continental Button Find!

[timekiller]

Yea went back today to try my luck again but no good! Just not in the spot the other piece is for sure unless it's deeper.Anyway purdy much a bust.With day light so short and this being a long ride.3hrs on the road this I'm leaving to my dad as he said he'll keep checking for me. Here they are for what it's worth the pewter button with the # 10 on it is a first.

 

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Pete...... there isn't much I could say about your Latest BANNER find that the outhers haven't already said not that I would know what to say :P so I will just say you are the American Colonial King

SS

 

[sscindercoop]

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Nice

 

[IronSpike]

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NC 10th Banner Button

I would keep hunting that spot until I found a spork mold

 

[timekiller]

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Just wanted to add these pics. from this morning as I notice my shots at night here in the house with these plant lights makes them look yellowish or something! ALSO THANKS FOR THE KIND WORDS GUY'S!
TK,

 

[Iron Patch]

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The color is much more accurate but detail not near as good. Make sure you send both pics if you contact anyone.

 

[Curious The George]

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I have looked Tice's book over for something to match and haven't found anything yet.

Your new photo makes me wonder if the last two letters may be, "NY" as in New York. An abbreviation for the location of the button maker. The "A" being the last letter of the name of the maker.

If you are tired of hunting that place send me a message, I'd be happy to search your leavings.

 

[JerV3]

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Those are some nice early finds

HH Jer

 

[timekiller]

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I have looked Tice's book over for something to match and haven't found anything yet.

Your new photo makes me wonder if the last two letters may be, "NY" as in New York. An abbreviation for the location of the button maker. The "A" being the last letter of the name of the maker.

If you are tired of hunting that place send me a message, I'd be happy to search your leavings.

I Gotcha, not tired yet!

 

[Swingit]

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SWEEEEEET!!!!!!!!

 

[johnnyi]

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Timekiller, I was thinking last night why so few of the N. Carolina's have been known found in N. Carolina, and why the majority have been found in Pa., leading some experts to assume they may have been the Pennsylvania or Mass. 10th Regiments.

Besides the fact that finally we now know the "10" wasn't made by Clarke, we also know the 10th N. Carolina had it's engagements in Pa. before the surrender so it would be naturual for the button to show up in Pa..

The thing is, the 10th surrendered as a regiment at Valley Forge, and my guess, with all this button has told us already, is that one of the first thing to be demanded of this huge group of captives was the buttons. They had some value, but beyond that it would prevent the rag tag Continental Army from recasting its limited amount of pewter into buttons for the existing Army. Your button is definately going to cause some second guesses. Once again, stellar find!

 

[timekiller]

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Timekiller, I was thinking last night why so few of the N. Carolina's have been known found in N. Carolina, and why the majority have been found in Pa., leading some experts to assume they may have been the Pennsylvania or Mass. 10th Regiments.

Besides the fact that finally we now know the "10" wasn't made by Clarke, we also know the 10th N. Carolina had it's engagements in Pa. before the surrender so it would be naturual for the button to show up in Pa..

The thing is, the 10th surrendered as a regiment at Valley Forge, and my guess, with all this button has told us already, is that one of the first thing to be demanded of this huge group of captives was the buttons. They had some value, but beyond that it would prevent the rag tag Continental Army from recasting its limited amount of pewter into buttons for the existing Army. Your button is definately going to cause some second guesses. Once again, stellar find!

I'm confused again,I thought that is what it say's on the back

 

[rjw4law]

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very nice find.

 

[johnnyi]

Re: Rare N.C 10th Regiment Button Find!

Timekiller, I was thinking last night why so few of the N. Carolina's have been known found in N. Carolina, and why the majority have been found in Pa., leading some experts to assume they may have been the Pennsylvania or Mass. 10th Regiments.

Besides the fact that finally we now know the "10" wasn't made by Clarke, we also know the 10th N. Carolina had it's engagements in Pa. before the surrender so it would be naturual for the button to show up in Pa..

The thing is, the 10th surrendered as a regiment at Valley Forge, and my guess, with all this button has told us already, is that one of the first thing to be demanded of this huge group of captives was the buttons. They had some value, but beyond that it would prevent the rag tag Continental Army from recasting its limited amount of pewter into buttons for the existing Army. Your button is definately going to cause some second guesses. Once again, stellar find!

I'm confused again,I thought that is what it say's on the back

No, from what you've told us and shown, it doesn't say Clarke on the back.

Apparently from what we've read in other resources so far, some of the recessed numeral regimentals were made by Clarke, but apparently the "10" had not had an identified maker (until yours showed up). It was only a guess by some experts that the "10" was a Pa. or a Mass., and that was based on style and where most were found.

Again, it would be natural for most "10s" to be found in Pa. because that is where the N. Carolina served. It was the exraordinary circumstances of their surrender though, coupled with the fact that few were found in N. Carolina, that suggest the following scenerio:

When the entire regiment surrendered their buttons would likely be confiscated by the British; both for their limited monetary value, to reduce moral, and as well, so they could not fall back into the hands of the Continental Army to be recast.

Remember, this was an entire regiment that surrendered at once, and that may have presented a more obvious opportunity for the British then in other circumstances.

 

[timekiller]

Re: Rare N.C 10th Regiment Button Find!

Timekiller, I was thinking last night why so few of the N. Carolina's have been known found in N. Carolina, and why the majority have been found in Pa., leading some experts to assume they may have been the Pennsylvania or Mass. 10th Regiments.

Besides the fact that finally we now know the "10" wasn't made by Clarke, we also know the 10th N. Carolina had it's engagements in Pa. before the surrender so it would be naturual for the button to show up in Pa..

The thing is, the 10th surrendered as a regiment at Valley Forge, and my guess, with all this button has told us already, is that one of the first thing to be demanded of this huge group of captives was the buttons. They had some value, but beyond that it would prevent the rag tag Continental Army from recasting its limited amount of pewter into buttons for the existing Army. Your button is definately going to cause some second guesses. Once again, stellar find!

I'm confused again,I thought that is what it say's on the back

No, from what you've told us and shown, it doesn't say Clarke on the back.

Apparently from what we've read in other resources so far, some of the recessed numeral regimentals were made by Clarke, but apparently the "10" had not had an identified maker (until yours showed up). It was only a guess by some experts that the "10" was a Pa. or a Mass., and that was based on style and where most were found.

Again, it would be natural for most "10s" to be found in Pa. because that is where the N. Carolina served. It was the exraordinary circumstances of their surrender though, coupled with the fact that few were found in N. Carolina, that suggest the following scenerio: When the entire regiment surrendered their buttons would likely be confiscated by the British; both for their limited monetary value, to reduce moral, and as well, so they could not fall back into the hands of the Continental Army to be recast.

Remember, this was an entire regiment that surrendered at once, and trhat may have presented a more obvious opportunity then in other circumstances.

Thanks Buddy,Yea I just don't know enough about these things.I know old sites, I go, and find things and post with the hope that people like you can help with them as I think the older stuff is great.But I'm learning and very thankful for you ALL on that! Finding Old Sites now That I know! Just becomes easy after years of doing it!

 

[jgas]

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WOW nice piece of history right there. BANNER all the way for sure. Congrats bigtime. jgas

 

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Banner vote in...

 

[timekiller]

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Ip, I got up with Don,And this was his 1 reply followed by his 2nd!
1st REPLY,
Pete,

If you mean North Carolina. The 10th had lost a complete shipment of uniforms and accoutrements arrive just after they left N America in 1778 which was taken by the Rebels . Apparently the Delaware Regiment and possibly other American troops were issued the red coats of the 10th which is why you find them down that way. I don't have my references handy, I think also extra 10th equipment wound up with some Loyalist units which they sold before they left. 10th buttons and a beltplate have been dug around Camden. Don T.

Feel free to post this reply as it may save me having to answer this question in the future.

Cheers
Don
2nd REPLY,
Hold on.................now that I see the CLEAR picture. That is an American 10th, a rare type issued early in the war generally associated with Pennsylvania troops but may have been worn by others, This is why it's important to send clear pictures!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


BTW the little piece with two studs might be the washer to a British beltplate. Don


Thanks Much!!

 

[Iron Patch]

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Sounds like you sent him the bad pic!

...but if he calls it rare it's definitely RARE.

 

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