Trouble with Wheats on 600

[pa-dirt_nc-sand]

Ok, this is crazy, but I have now dug 32 straight wheats without a silver coin. My ratio is typically 4:1. Was thinking it is just a law of probability glitch, but now thinking issue with my detector, settings or lack of experience with the 600. Man I can dig a deep wheat with this, but....

Brought a Rosie and Silver Wash today to do some testing at some sites vs the backyard. Aaarghhhh...

 

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[Tommybuckets]

Man I am with you. This thing loves wheaties but has only gotten me two silver coins. The silver sounded really good but wasn't at much depth. I am a bit chagrinned by this machine. My AT pro is just " luckier" . Plus this thing really locks onto canslaw unlike any of my other machines that are less often fooled. The VDI on all my other machines tends to bounce around for slaw but this baby locks on and convinces me its a good target. I am less than 100 hrs with the 600. I am hoping I just need to put her on a good site but I have not found any deep coins except at the beach. I know she'll find me a dime at 10-11 inches and a quarter at 15-16 . Huh. Let us know what your observations are.

 

[xr7ator]

It seems silver doesn't get that halo around it like a copper coin. I think that halo makes it easier to find wheats compared to the silver dime at same depth.

Dimes at 11 inches, if they are solid enough signals, sure sounds appealing. BUT! I'm still on the fence for the EQ...

 

[pa-dirt_nc-sand]

Man I am with you. This thing loves wheaties but has only gotten me two silver coins. The silver sounded really good but wasn't at much depth. I am a bit chagrinned by this machine. My AT pro is just " luckier" . Plus this thing really locks onto canslaw unlike any of my other machines that are less often fooled. The VDI on all my other machines tends to bounce around for slaw but this baby locks on and convinces me its a good target. I am less than 100 hrs with the 600. I am hoping I just need to put her on a good site but I have not found any deep coins except at the beach. I know she'll find me a dime at 10-11 inches and a quarter at 15-16 . Huh. Let us know what your observations are.

I went to an abandoned ball field, now a multi purpose field at the park near work. Got a deep solid 12, perfect small tone, dug an old clad nickel 6” down . (My 600 hits nickels on 12) Dropped in a Rosie under the plug and got a nice 26-27 consistent tone. (Same as I got for the 2 silver dimes I have dug with the 600) Then dropped in the quarter, flat on bottom under plug and got a bouncy 12-31, 15-30, 25-32, signal. I guess I will be digging these bouncy signals that get into the low 30’s and still pinpoint correctly and small.

I occasionally get fooled with a can top or smashed screw cap with the 600, but not so much with can slaw. If I get a high tone, pretty consistent then pinpoint and it has moved to the edge of the coil or further, then reswing this and it drops to 14-16, I pass and assume canslaw. If it is a good hightone and I can lift my coil 6” and still get the same good hightone, I pass and assume canslaw.

Note that I typically have 45 minutes to hunt so I research a site, select an area and go low and slow, but have to cherry pick because of time. Unfortunately I don’t have the luxury of digging all.

I’m at about 70 hours, I need to put in a lot more and looking forward to my first beach hunt with the 600 soon.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Have you done the latest update Minelab just released?

 

[vferrari]

Would really be helpful if search profile and settings were provided with your posts. You are basically talking about at least 6 different possible detector configurations (8 if you are talking 800) that each behave quite differently on the exact same target. Otherwise, frankly, this issue sounds more site dependent than detector dependent.

 

[pa-dirt_nc-sand]

Have you done the latest update Minelab just released?

Yes, updated successfully. Not sure, however, if I can tell the difference.

 

[pa-dirt_nc-sand]

Would really be helpful if search profile and settings were provided with your posts. You are basically talking about at least 6 different possible detector configurations (8 if you are talking 800) that each behave quite differently on the exact same target. Otherwise, frankly, this issue sounds more site dependent than detector dependent.

600, Park 1 & Field 2, 50/50. Auto GB, Recovery speed 2 (middle). Hunting at old parks, schools, fields, cellar holes in W PA. Besides wheats I’m finding buffs, Vs, IHP’s,silver and gold rings, flat buttons and other relics. I’m just cursed on silver coins. Not looking for a solution, just needed to share frustrating streak.

 

[vferrari]

Got it. Well at least you are hitting everything else, lol. So yeah, it sounds like snakebit luck on silver coins versus a detector problem. Frustrasting nevertheless. When you do break through bet it will be something special like my seated Quarter and dime found in the same field that I had hunted 5 times before without a sniff of 19th century silver (while others were pulling out plenty of old silvers). I kind of said, enough with that, I am pulling an old silver this time out and sure enough popped not one but two out.
These things come in bunches once you break the curse. So if they are there, you will find them with enough perseverence.

 

[ZR2guy]

ONLY digging wheats?I am waiting on the release of the equinox 1000, it only finds silver but can identify and display the can slaw by the product brand of the can it came from due to it's enormous 6"x 6" 4K resolution display screen. TID and depth are always 100% accurate. No more " just finding wheats" problems. Updates sent via wifi hot spots. Pre-order today for the 2020-ish release.
I am sorry for the sarcasm but "chagrinned by this machine", already ? Really? It's not a silver messiah, still just a metal detector. Good Luck and Happy Hunting!

 

[TomNWMI]

I went to an abandoned ball field, now a multi purpose field at the park near work. Got a deep solid 12, perfect small tone, dug an old clad nickel 6” down . (My 600 hits nickels on 12) Dropped in a Rosie under the plug and got a nice 26-27 consistent tone. (Same as I got for the 2 silver dimes I have dug with the 600) Then dropped in the quarter, flat on bottom under plug and got a bouncy 12-31, 15-30, 25-32, signal. I guess I will be digging these bouncy signals that get into the low 30’s and still pinpoint correctly and small.

I occasionally get fooled with a can top or smashed screw cap with the 600, but not so much with can slaw. If I get a high tone, pretty consistent then pinpoint and it has moved to the edge of the coil or further, then reswing this and it drops to 14-16, I pass and assume canslaw. If it is a good hightone and I can lift my coil 6” and still get the same good hightone, I pass and assume canslaw.

Note that I typically have 45 minutes to hunt so I research a site, select an area and go low and slow, but have to cherry pick because of time. Unfortunately I don’t have the luxury of digging all.

I’m at about 70 hours, I need to put in a lot more and looking forward to my first beach hunt with the 600 soon.

I got a clad quarter at 10"-12" the other day and it was mostly 29-30 had that nice soft flutey sound, which I describe as a wavering high tone. 5 tone, field 2 using high sensitivity.

 

[sprailroad]

ONLY digging wheats?I am waiting on the release of the equinox 1000, it only finds silver but can identify and display the can slaw by the product brand of the can it came from due to it's enormous 6"x 6" 4K resolution display screen. TID and depth are always 100% accurate. No more " just finding wheats" problems. Updates sent via wifi hot spots. Pre-order today for the 2020-ish release.
I am sorry for the sarcasm but "chagrinned by this machine", already ? Really? It's not a silver messiah, still just a metal detector. Good Luck and Happy Hunting!

Put me on "Pre-order" for that one please.

 

[vferrari]

I got a clad quarter at 10"-12" the other day and it was mostly 29-30 had that nice soft flutey sound, which I describe as a wavering high tone. 5 tone, field 2 using high sensitivity.

Quarters have tended to be flutey for me on the beach with the Equinox for some reason. They sound very similar to coin spills. Haven't had a chance to take my detector out there since the update though which may have addressed the issue.

 

[CharlesUpstateNY]

Previous Minelab detectors were very good on silver, while avoiding digging wheats if a person wanted to. So maybe the sites have been cherry picked.

 

[ZR2guy]

I agree that possibly the site/sites have been cherry-picked. This happens more than most know or want to believe. Clad quarters get pulled in as well.

 

[pulltabfelix]

Would really be helpful if search profile and settings were provided with your posts. You are basically talking about at least 6 different possible detector configurations (8 if you are talking 800) that each behave quite differently on the exact same target. Otherwise, frankly, this issue sounds more site dependent than detector dependent.

I agree with the site selection dependent answer. I noticed that Brad on green mountain metal detecting on youtube digs way more copper coins than silver. But the silver he digs tends to be Spanish reales. In his case he digs items that were dropped 200 years ago or more. I am starting to hunt civil war sites and complain about the can slaw and pop tops which sound like good solid cw bullets and other relics. But I have been advised an experienced relic hunter that is just the way it is and get used to digging all signals if I don't wish to leave some relics in the ground.

 

[vferrari]

Pulltab, As I said, it will be sort of a dig it all proposition for you for the time being, but getting those swing hours in, you will start you click with the audio nuances and should be able to pick out those minie balls from the slaw with more time on the machine. It may take awhile but one day sooner or later it will just start to click and you will transition from visual being your primary means of target ID to audio being your primary backed up by visual TID.

 

[hunt2day]

I have the update but I have noticed the 600 is a killer on penny's and clad dimes. I have found only one silver dime and probably 50 pennies including many wheaties. I would have expected more Silver where the wheaties were found. I like the 600 and am still learning each time I go out but it does seem to love the penny's.

 

[CharlesUpstateNY]

I agree that possibly the site/sites have been cherry-picked. This happens more than most know or want to believe. Clad quarters get pulled in as well.

Go to the site, look around for the absolute last worthless spot anyone would even bother to detect and detect it.

I once got to a city park at dawn on a holiday e.g. no traffic. In the middle of a 4 lane road where 2 roads came together in a V was an island of grass with a light pole and some electrical boxes. But there was about a 4x8 foot patch of grass that looked undisturbed...dug a MASS Colonial go figure.

 

[pa-dirt_nc-sand]

Ended at 34 wheats, saved by a 1922 Merc on the rim of a cellar hole. Crazy streak...