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This thread is my opinion of what would be involved in taking out the gold and jewels if one knew the gold was where I think it is. Let's be ridiculous for theory's sake and assume one had permission from the owner and from the government. An impossibility, of course. But, this assumption is necessary because without them the task is impossible.
I don't know what you would find. I only know what my theory says you will find because of how the Aztecs did things and details supplied by family members.
First, one would have to gain access to the room. A steel door with a standard type lock commonly used on doors of that sort in Mexico. A delay, but not a big one. A few minutes if you know what you are doing. Perhaps even silently. The last time anything can be done silently.
Then, there is apparently a stone floor. The stone most likely used is at least two inches thick and the material is very heavy. Marble runs around 150 pounds a cubic foot, and this stone is somewhat more dense. But, I have no figures on it.
Correction. We have used a lot of that stone in construction and I have a half pickup load left over. So I went out and actually measured it. It varied from 1.5 to 3 inches thick, with 2.0 inches being most common.
I am guessing it is held in place with mortar, that is a mixture of sand; quick lime, and Portland cement, since those were available when the floor was installed.
To break up that stone is a lot of work. A large sledge hammer, perhaps, or a large, heavy bar commonly used here for such tasks. Large pieces that would break off probably weigh 80 pounds and up. All of that stone has to be broken up and carried off before you can actually start digging for the goodies. Very noisy.
Now, to the soil. The hills around here are made of travertine marble, which is not real igneous marble, but created by water action on limestone. The marble is covered with a thick layer of marble dust. They have a name for that dust which essentially means pre-marble. Give it time and it all turns into marble, too.
So, that dirt is really hard for dirt, not your standard loam.
When the workers installed our septic tank, it was probably in the ballpark size of the place where I think the gold is, though maybe that is larger. There is only one way to find out, and that is not going to happen in our lifetimes.
That dirt is so hard and strong that when they made my septic tank, knowing it will eventually fill up, they didn't even put in any sort of concrete liner. And, along the rivers, the exposed banks go years without cave-ins.
I don't know how deeply the skeleton was buried. I would have to estimate between 12 and 36 inches. Of hard digging.
Then you hit the stone floor/roof. If there are dainty things in there, you have to dig around the outside of the stone box and break in from the side. More digging. More time.
Now where do you put the stones and dirt you dig up? It has to go outside. No room in the room itself.
Once you have dug around the stone box then you have to break the box open in a manner not to destroy the contents whatever they are.
The Aztec workers were strong men. Even if they dug day and night, they would have had enough workers to just swap when someone got tired, rather than the digging stopping while the digger rested. It took a lot of people to carry that much weight over 100 miles, and only a limited number can dig in that space at a time.
You would either need enough diggers to swap over and over and over. Or, time to dig goes up.
So, for many days or weeks with large numbers of people coming and going, banging and noises all the time; mounds of dirt all over the place, in a place which is described by tax agencies as urban. Maybe 50 to 75 people within a city block. Only one of them hard of hearing.
Also, all sorts of foreigners with non-Spanish and non-North American accents, running back and forth and in and out. Buying food and t.p. and pick axes and liniment and cigarettes and other stuff and going to the doctor for injuries. Yeah, the various and sundry government authorities are really not that dense.
I say again it is not at all do-able without both government and owner permission. Not because I am without courage, but because that is simply not the way things are done here.
And, every word I have written about the response of local; state and Mexican Federal LEO is real. Anyone who lives in Mexico well knows I told the truth and there was no threat. My best friend was for 22 years the 'county coroner' (not what they call it here), thus a sworn law enforcement official and I learned a lot about LEO in Mexico from him.
After some thought, I would no longer talk about blocking my driveway with my car. No need. Just nuke some popcorn and watch.
What have I forgotten? Oh, my goodness. It is unthinkable that one could do all that digging in any case. But, imagine you had a magic wand and thus spirited the gold out and piled it on the ground in front of the old house.
Just how are you going to transport 15 tons of gold and jewels out of the country? Again, without being noticed by LEO at every point? How many pickups and how many trucks? Again, back and forth day after day.
I have no idea what would prompt any person to think they can just take the gold from here, no matter what anyone says or does.
I don't know what you would find. I only know what my theory says you will find because of how the Aztecs did things and details supplied by family members.
First, one would have to gain access to the room. A steel door with a standard type lock commonly used on doors of that sort in Mexico. A delay, but not a big one. A few minutes if you know what you are doing. Perhaps even silently. The last time anything can be done silently.
Then, there is apparently a stone floor. The stone most likely used is at least two inches thick and the material is very heavy. Marble runs around 150 pounds a cubic foot, and this stone is somewhat more dense. But, I have no figures on it.
Correction. We have used a lot of that stone in construction and I have a half pickup load left over. So I went out and actually measured it. It varied from 1.5 to 3 inches thick, with 2.0 inches being most common.
I am guessing it is held in place with mortar, that is a mixture of sand; quick lime, and Portland cement, since those were available when the floor was installed.
To break up that stone is a lot of work. A large sledge hammer, perhaps, or a large, heavy bar commonly used here for such tasks. Large pieces that would break off probably weigh 80 pounds and up. All of that stone has to be broken up and carried off before you can actually start digging for the goodies. Very noisy.
Now, to the soil. The hills around here are made of travertine marble, which is not real igneous marble, but created by water action on limestone. The marble is covered with a thick layer of marble dust. They have a name for that dust which essentially means pre-marble. Give it time and it all turns into marble, too.
So, that dirt is really hard for dirt, not your standard loam.
When the workers installed our septic tank, it was probably in the ballpark size of the place where I think the gold is, though maybe that is larger. There is only one way to find out, and that is not going to happen in our lifetimes.
That dirt is so hard and strong that when they made my septic tank, knowing it will eventually fill up, they didn't even put in any sort of concrete liner. And, along the rivers, the exposed banks go years without cave-ins.
I don't know how deeply the skeleton was buried. I would have to estimate between 12 and 36 inches. Of hard digging.
Then you hit the stone floor/roof. If there are dainty things in there, you have to dig around the outside of the stone box and break in from the side. More digging. More time.
Now where do you put the stones and dirt you dig up? It has to go outside. No room in the room itself.
Once you have dug around the stone box then you have to break the box open in a manner not to destroy the contents whatever they are.
The Aztec workers were strong men. Even if they dug day and night, they would have had enough workers to just swap when someone got tired, rather than the digging stopping while the digger rested. It took a lot of people to carry that much weight over 100 miles, and only a limited number can dig in that space at a time.
You would either need enough diggers to swap over and over and over. Or, time to dig goes up.
So, for many days or weeks with large numbers of people coming and going, banging and noises all the time; mounds of dirt all over the place, in a place which is described by tax agencies as urban. Maybe 50 to 75 people within a city block. Only one of them hard of hearing.
Also, all sorts of foreigners with non-Spanish and non-North American accents, running back and forth and in and out. Buying food and t.p. and pick axes and liniment and cigarettes and other stuff and going to the doctor for injuries. Yeah, the various and sundry government authorities are really not that dense.
I say again it is not at all do-able without both government and owner permission. Not because I am without courage, but because that is simply not the way things are done here.
And, every word I have written about the response of local; state and Mexican Federal LEO is real. Anyone who lives in Mexico well knows I told the truth and there was no threat. My best friend was for 22 years the 'county coroner' (not what they call it here), thus a sworn law enforcement official and I learned a lot about LEO in Mexico from him.
After some thought, I would no longer talk about blocking my driveway with my car. No need. Just nuke some popcorn and watch.
What have I forgotten? Oh, my goodness. It is unthinkable that one could do all that digging in any case. But, imagine you had a magic wand and thus spirited the gold out and piled it on the ground in front of the old house.
Just how are you going to transport 15 tons of gold and jewels out of the country? Again, without being noticed by LEO at every point? How many pickups and how many trucks? Again, back and forth day after day.
I have no idea what would prompt any person to think they can just take the gold from here, no matter what anyone says or does.
