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I only belong to 8---- 7 now---- Banks. This particular bank was all set up to be my dump bank. When I opened my account, the lady assured me i could deposit coins for instant credit, and even gave me a nice stack of about 30 coinlok bags. This bank only has 3 branched in my area. Well call the location I opened the account at A, the location I had issues with B, and the location I never visited C. Well, about 3 weeks ago, I go to location B and try to dump $2,000 in halfs- With no luck what-so-ever. Oh well, I left and thought nothing of it. Another CRH in my area dumps at location A, and was recently having issues, so I figured I wouldn't even waist my time there.
This particular bank charged 4 bucks a month, and doesn't offer any kind of student accounts of anything. So after seeing that they were going to do me no good, I decided I would close my account when I had time. As most of you know, I picked up a nice De La Ru Coin counter last week. New it costs $2,500, so its pretty solid- the real deal.
Saturday (the 25th) I decided I would have some fun. I went to location 2 with two coinlok bags and asked to swap for cash (9:00). After getting a firm no, I proceed to talk to the manager, and show her an email from location 1 saying I can deposit the coins and what not. In the most condescending voice she proceeded to tell me that their coin process was to take the coins, ship it off, have it counted, and credit my account in 1-2 weeks. I said that was the biggest joke I've heard. I then said something like, "HEY! I've got a nice coin counter that costs two grand in the car. Let me go get it so we can verify this coin together!" I wheel this massive counter into the branch and she looks at me funny and says that they cant use third party devices in the bank because I may have "tampered" with it (9:15). Now she says that they can only accept rolled coin for immediate credit. *this is where things start to get good* I say, awesome!, I don't have any plans the rest of the day, I whip out my knife, cut open the bag, and start pouring it out onto the counter. While doing so reiterating the fact that I could just short the rolls 1-4 coins, and they wouldn't know, so it would be easier for them to just take the bags. I think that pissed her off a little. Because now I can only deposit 100 in rolled coins for immediate credit.
It is now 9:30, I know for a fact 100% that I AM NOT getting immediate credit, and the coins will be leaving with me today. I figure, mine as well prolong this as long as I can. My next questions was, "This is a bank yes? so you can take coin? What is the normal process?". She proceeded to tell me again, Take the coin, ship it out, 1-2 I will receive credit into my account, AND there will be a 12 dollar fee. WAIT- a 12 dollar fee? Yup. *Knowing that I've just been lied to* I say, "Oh Awesome! No problem, I'll leave my coin here and you can debit my account in 1-2 weeks. Please show me the fee in your fee scheduled." Haha, to bad the fee scheduled doesn't have made up fees in it. The Manager, assistant manager, service specialist, and 2 teller all spent the next 20-25 minutes looking for this nonexistent fee. At 10:00, she comes up to me and says I need to leave and that they've spent to much time helping me. She proceeds to tell me that I need to go to location A to get the fee scheduled. I look at her a little sideways and say "This is _____ Bank, and the bank in location a is a ______ Bank, So you both use the same papers and have the same rules, so why will they give me something that you cant?" Then she told me she was done and I needed to leave right away. With a smile on my face I wave goodbye, tell them I'll be back Monday for the fee scheduled, and walk out. The coins got deposited at the bank 200ft down the street.
At one point, I said something like "Well this seems very anti-productive, maybe I'll just close my account", well that had to be the funniest thing because every employ in the bank looked up, yelled "yes!" and clapped lol.
Fast forward to this morning. The bank opens at 9:00. I get a call at 8:05, as I am walking to my first class that starts at 8:10. Its location A. The manager tells me that she no longer wants me as a customer, I need to come empty my account today or they'll do it for me, and that my name is being added to the banks blacklist. I found it touching that she wanted to go in 50 minutes early to cancel my account (LOL jk).
Fast forward until after school and after all my pick ups and dumps. It's about 4:30, bank closes at 5. I go in and try to withdraw 4.99 from my account, leaving .01 in the account. The teller tells me my debit card has been deactivated and gets the manager. I asked what the issue is. She says that I've been trying to sneak behind her back, by going to location B and then Location C, because I was supposed to go talk to her after my first issue (WHICH NO ONE TOLD ME). And funny thing was I have never been to location C, its to far for me. Anyways, she then tells me I caused a huge scene at the other branch, and they almost called the police to remove me (HA). For some reason the manager at location B told the manager at location A I had 15 bags of coin in my car. She thought I was money laundering or something and then repeated to tell me she just didn't want to do business with me any more.
Having as much fun as I can, I ask to see where in their user agreement is says they can cancel my account without cause. Of course! They can't find it. But she said I didn't seem like the type of guy to cause a huge scene, so I would be removed from the blacklist and she hoped we could do business in the future (HA). I suppose I may have said I had more coins or something along those lines when I was rambling on Saturday morning.
Lastly, they wouldn't let me leave with my debit card, and if I wanted it I had to cut it up, So I spent a solid 10 minutes making a beautiful snowflake out of the card. This thing was STUNNING! I should have taken a picture. LOL!

Lesson learned, Stay away from CALIFORNIA BANK AND TRUST!

Thanks for listening to my rant/ story. I had the biggest grin/ smile on my face the whole time. I hope you guys got a good laugh out of it as well.
-1 bank accounts lol. 7 left.


I've also been less active on the forums. Fed up with the power control held by mods, the harassment and slandering of certain members, and the overall lack of community right now. I'll still be checking in every once in a while. Always available PM if you need to get in contact with me.

On a CRH note, I pulled close to 15oz last week doing some intense volume. Don't have the exact numbers up right now. But it was a lot. Got 6 today and only got a '64. It's all good though.

Happy Hunting! Good Luck!
 

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"The Bank" Exactly. A teller is not the bank. An individual teller cannot cancel your account.
Maybe not but an individual teller and certainly the manager of the branch can refuse service to an unruly customer. As it should be. Still trying to understand why you're so adamantly defending bad behavior. Is this how you would behave in a similar situation ? Just curious. Not interested in arguing.
 

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Maybe not but an individual teller and certainly the manager of the branch can refuse service to an unruly customer. Still trying to understand why you're so adamantly defending bad behavior. Is this how you would behave in a similar situation ?

You're right, as branch manager, she could refuse service to him but she cannot close his account. She refuses service, at the very risk of her job. She interfered with business between a bank and it's customer. If someone higher up then her catches wind of what she did, she surely would be fired.

Omega displayed nothing but compliance to good behavior:
1. He brought in bagged coins of a set amount that could easily be weighed to very crudely confirm at least some accuracy, if you own a business (even outside of CRH'n), this is the case. I've deposited coins, as a business, at PNC, and every time, I have been fully accredited with CoinLok bags.
2. The teller refused to accept CoinLok bags unless omega would accept a delayed deposit to his account
3. Omega explained that there would be no need for a Delay, as he has a Coin Counting machine and could easily confirm the accuracy WITH
4. She apparently is an expert in a $2000 coin counting machine and says they can be rigged, but says she will accept rolled coins
5. Omega takes her up on the offer, and proceeds to roll them.
6. She threatens him repeatedly.

With the above in mind, would you please kindly point out any one thing Omega did that is "bad behavior". Please don't say pulling a knife out, this is the real world where humans make use of tools, not some first grade liberal-style education environment.

The bad behavior is the head teller Omega dealt with, he made honest attempts to resolve the issue. She belittled him, embarssed him, and wasted his time without any good reason.
 

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50cent there is, and should be, a reasonable expectation that customers do not conduct themselves in a way that disturbs the other customers or interferes with the normal running of the bank. If he had gone home and rolled the coins I suspect there would have been no problem. So it's your position that dumping them on the counter is reasonable behavior. Here let me quote him word for word so there is NO confusion.. "Now she says that they can only accept rolled coin for immediate credit. *this is where things start to get good* I say, awesome!, I don't have any plans the rest of the day, I whip out my knife, cut open the bag, and start pouring it out onto the counter. While doing so reiterating the fact that I could just short the rolls 1-4 coins, and they wouldn't know, so it would be easier for them to just take the bags. I think that pissed her off a little. Because now I can only deposit 100 in rolled coins for immediate credit." Clearly he is enjoying making a scene and he has also just told the teller how easy it would be to rip them off by shorting the rolls.. This is all fine with you and within his "rights" ? Read his quote again.. He "thinks" it pissed her off a little ? Come on man, don't play stupid. His INTENTION was to piss her off. It was childish and he's lucky the police weren't called to remove him. I give up.. You win. Arrogant, disruptive behavior is perfectly fine even when it affects the other customers waiting in line. Talking about purposely shorting the bank and how easy it would be is cool too. Dragging your own equipment into the bank when they have no clue if it's accurate or not ? Sure why not... pssst... do you REALLY believe this crap you're posting ?
 

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Not sure, but is Treasure_Hunter picking up on Fiddy's language style?
Or, is there a member going by Holmes? If so, it must be a behind-the-scenes thing because I couldn't find a post by Holmes.
 

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50cent there is, and should be, a reasonable expectation that customers do not conduct themselves in a way that disturbs the other customers or interferes with the normal running of the bank. If he had gone home and rolled the coins I suspect there would have been no problem. So it's your position that dumping them on the counter is reasonable behavior. Here let me quote him word for word so there is NO confusion.. "Now she says that they can only accept rolled coin for immediate credit. *this is where things start to get good* I say, awesome!, I don't have any plans the rest of the day, I whip out my knife, cut open the bag, and start pouring it out onto the counter. While doing so reiterating the fact that I could just short the rolls 1-4 coins, and they wouldn't know, so it would be easier for them to just take the bags. I think that pissed her off a little. Because now I can only deposit 100 in rolled coins for immediate credit." Clearly he is enjoying making a scene and he has also just told the teller how easy it would be to rip them off by shorting the rolls.. This is all fine with you and within his "rights" ? I give up.. You win. Arrogant, disruptive behavior is perfectly fine even when it affects the other customers waiting in line. Talking about purposely shorting the bank and how easy it would be is cool too. Dragging your own equipment into the bank when they have no clue if it's accurate or not ? Sure why not... pssst... do you REALLY believe this crap you're posting ?
Yes.

He was not disturbing the business of a bank. A Cummins coin machine can count 2000 coins a minute (around 1000 coins a minute for half dollars), easily enough to confirm the amount--not disturbing the normal running of the bank. Omega would have rolled his coins off to the side, or in his car--- not disturbing the "normal running of the ban". The teller blew this whole scenario out of the water and ended up wasting the bank's time, and lost a bank customer.

A bag of halves weighs roughly 49.6lbs, and if his coins did weight this much PLUS she saw a coin counter confirm this, I'd be darn certain it's accurate. In the event it wasn't accurate, they deduct the amount from Omega's account in the future. It's kind of stupid, for ANY bank account holder to scam a bank, because they will find you.

When he pointed out the teller that rolls can be more easily shorted, he was showing the shortcomings of her failed logic, which makes absolutely no sense. She provoked everything, and got every single response she deserved.
 

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Not sure, but is Treasure_Hunter picking up on Fiddy's language style?
Or, is there a member going by Holmes? If so, it must be a behind-the-scenes thing because I couldn't find a post by Holmes.

There was a new member named Holmes.

I have been considering weighing in on the past page and 1/2 of responses.....but there is no point in arguing with those that are not open to reason, and I'm not even talking about the OP.
 

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So dumping 50lbs of loose halves onto the counter when there were likely other customers waiting in line is not disruptive ? ok whatever you say dude..... I'm with Joe.. there's no point in discussing this any further.. This whole argument is ridiculous. NO bank is going to rely on a customer supplied coin counter or weighing a bag of coins. It's so unrealistic I have to assume you're joking. Can you picture the teller explaining to her boss why the count is off.. "well I allowed him to use his own machine instead of following bank policy".. LMAO. These arguments are getting more off the wall by the minute. He's lucky it wasn't ME waiting in line behind him. Maybe on a short lunch break just trying to cash my paycheck or something. I wouldn't have been very polite.
 

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So dumping 50lbs of loose halves onto the counter when there were likely other customers waiting in line is not disruptive ? ok..... I'm with Joe.. there's no point in discussing this any further.. He's lucky it wasn't ME waiting in line behind him. Maybe on a short lunch break just trying to cash my paycheck or something. He would have needed that bag to carry his teeth home.. Later.

He had them in a COINLOK bag. I own a business, and WE DEPOSIT COINS IN A COINLOK BAG. It's a standard practice and was not out of line. Especially considering he had a business account.


"he's lucky it wasn't ME waiting in line behind him."
Scary post.
 

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He had them in a COINLOK bag. I own a business, and WE DEPOSIT COINS IN A COINLOK BAG. It's a standard practice and was not out of line. Especially considering he had a business account.


"he's lucky it wasn't ME waiting in line behind him."
Scary post.
LOL... I said you're right man.. Let it go. And yeah, if he was wasting MY time making a scene I'd have been less than polite. Unlike the bank employees, I don't have to tolerate silly childish garbage intended to create drama.
 

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I wish more volume hunters in my area would act like this at banks that I don't do business with.
 

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I think you should be most concerned about being thought of as money laundering. It may get you on a black list of all banks. It may get you reported to homeland security and IRS. I think the most appropriate issue would be to ask for written policy of fees when told you are being charged, then ask for a receipt. I used to get charged 5 or 8 bucks to cash my checks becouse my bank would always place a hold of 48 hrs on them. So I would go to origination bank to cash. Pissed me off to no end it should be illegal. So I would ask for written policy iiiieee yi yiiii cant find it, then I would ask for an itemiezd reciept ----we don't have one- well can you get the branch manager then I make them write one out long hand and sign it (for my accountant as these fees are business related and need documentation for the IRS).The 20 minutes it takes 3 bank employees to do this is too much fun. I think they make these fees up and if you get a reciept then complain to office of controller of currency and I think they will get in big doo doo. It would be best if you were an illegal whoops I mean undocumented alien , minority or LBGT becouse then you can say in your letter your being treated unfairly because of your status / racial/sexual class. Then the Liberal politicians will immediatley pass 50 laws protecting your rights to be treated fairly and instantly we can deposit coins without fees.


I'm not worried, she said we were on good terms. And 2,000 in coins is no money laundering way haha.


Guys - just keep in mind we were all 19 once. I remember doing and saying some things that I look back and cringe at today. Hell I still say and do things I cringe at 20 minutes later!!!


18 :)


Very Interesting story.
Bank employees including managers will sometimes make up rules and fees. There are banking laws to regulate these matters, but the banks rely on strong arm tactics and consumer ignorance.
Consumer protection laws generally say that banks are liable for up to 3 x damages plus legal fees. Too few people challenge them.


So what they did, THEY, was against bank policy, not my actions.


LoL... Like I posted earlier I'm not here to argue. But... are you here to pretend to be a lawyer ? Your position is that because he had an unwritten deal with one branch to give him his money immediately that a different branch where he admits to having no contacts at and has been refused at once in the past, is OBLIGATED to grant him the same courtesy that they give him at branch #1 ? Maybe it had nothing to do with his age and had everything to do with the fact that this particular branch had NEVER done any business with him, didn't know him, and had never been the recipient of the goodies he passed around at branch #1 ? Just a thought... Maybe you & him can round up some other gangstas & go down there and pound your fists on the desk and DEMAND satisfaction... If that dosn't work kick over some trash cans & start yelling as loud as you can.. lolol... "heroic actions".. What a hoot...


I was told that all branches would give me instant credit.


It was YOU who said he didn't have one. You have seen the agreement (if any) that he has showing that the bank is obligated to accept any amount of coins, either rolled, unrolled, or in a 5 gallon bucket and that they MUST pay him cash on demand ? And that they need to disrupt all the other customers who might be waiting in line to take care of someone they make NO money from and who is being belligerent & unruly ? SHOW me..... I normally don't come to this forum and now I know why. Some of you folks are a trip, completely out of touch with reality, and the most arrogant people I've ever seen.


They were bagged and counted. I'm a little confused here "Some of you folks are a trip, completely out of touch with reality, and the most arrogant people I've ever seen".


I think everyone is missing the point. I think all he was looking for was to be treated the same at each branch. Why is he persona nongrata in one branch and ok in another. The Banks absolutley have a right to decline his business. Or Charge a fee for coins. It just seems to me they start individually targeting people with charges or fees that they pull out of thin air. When they do that they are discriminating. The fees and charges I believe have to be approved by or listed with the office of comptroller of currency and should apply to every customer. If they dont want his business boot him out dont make up fees becouse they think they are loosing money on the deal.


Like a said, I was told all branches would give me the immediate credit.


Thanks TH-
I may not agree 100% with how Omega handled it- i totally understand and dont believe he destroyed crh for anyone at that particular bank- it was already destroyed before his rant-

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Maybe not but an individual teller and certainly the manager of the branch can refuse service to an unruly customer. As it should be. Still trying to understand why you're so adamantly defending bad behavior. Is this how you would behave in a similar situation ? Just curious. Not interested in arguing.

Bad behavior? Where?
 

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So dumping 50lbs of loose halves onto the counter when there were likely other customers waiting in line is not disruptive ? ok whatever you say dude..... I'm with Joe.. there's no point in discussing this any further.. This whole argument is ridiculous. NO bank is going to rely on a customer supplied coin counter or weighing a bag of coins. It's so unrealistic I have to assume you're joking. Can you picture the teller explaining to her boss why the count is off.. "well I allowed him to use his own machine instead of following bank policy".. LMAO. These arguments are getting more off the wall by the minute. He's lucky it wasn't ME waiting in line behind him. Maybe on a short lunch break just trying to cash my paycheck or something. I wouldn't have been very polite.


I didn't dump the whole bag, just most of it. And I offered to allow them to hand count it and roll it with me....


He had them in a COINLOK bag. I own a business, and WE DEPOSIT COINS IN A COINLOK BAG. It's a standard practice and was not out of line. Especially considering he had a business account.
"he's lucky it wasn't ME waiting in line behind him."
Scary post.


Coinlok, standared bank bags THEY gave me.


I wish more volume hunters in my area would act like this at banks that I don't do business with.

HAHA Amen.
 

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50cent there is, and should be, a reasonable expectation that customers do not conduct themselves in a way that disturbs the other customers or interferes with the normal running of the bank. If he had gone home and rolled the coins I suspect there would have been no problem. So it's your position that dumping them on the counter is reasonable behavior. Here let me quote him word for word so there is NO confusion.. "Now she says that they can only accept rolled coin for immediate credit. *this is where things start to get good* I say, awesome!, I don't have any plans the rest of the day, I whip out my knife, cut open the bag, and start pouring it out onto the counter. While doing so reiterating the fact that I could just short the rolls 1-4 coins, and they wouldn't know, so it would be easier for them to just take the bags. I think that pissed her off a little. Because now I can only deposit 100 in rolled coins for immediate credit." Clearly he is enjoying making a scene and he has also just told the teller how easy it would be to rip them off by shorting the rolls.. This is all fine with you and within his "rights" ? Read his quote again.. He "thinks" it pissed her off a little ? Come on man, don't play stupid. His INTENTION was to piss her off. It was childish and he's lucky the police weren't called to remove him. I give up.. You win. Arrogant, disruptive behavior is perfectly fine even when it affects the other customers waiting in line. Talking about purposely shorting the bank and how easy it would be is cool too. Dragging your own equipment into the bank when they have no clue if it's accurate or not ? Sure why not... pssst... do you REALLY believe this crap you're posting ?


Police removing me for wanting to see a printed fee in there fee schedule. That would have been interesting lol. I was comparing the bags and roll saying they are exactly the same, and how they will just have to unroll them once I leave.
 

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Wow, a war over an incident, I didn't think there would be another war till we saw more pics of spray painted coins.
 

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Wow, a war over an incident, I didn't think there would be another war till we saw more pics of spray painted coins.
LoL... dude it was you who started the "war" with the bank when you didn't get your way. It was you who turned a simple matter into an "incident". Now you want to pretend you're innocent ? Cool.. Funny that you have one, maybe two people who agree with you and a whole list of folks who think you acted like a spoiled child. Carry on...
 

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LoL... dude it was you who started the "war" with the bank when you didn't get your way. It was you who turned a simple matter into an "incident". Now you want to pretend you're innocent ? Cool.. Funny that you have one, maybe two people who agree with you and a whole list of folks who think you acted like a spoiled child. Carry on...

The workers at the bank started the war not Omega. As I explained, the tellers were mistaken and treated a business account holder poorly; when he tried to do things as they wanted them, they failed to go with their original word ("roll them").He is innocent, please stop the insults. He wanted to make a deposit, but was prevented for no reason. You didn't seem to understand what CoinLok bags were initially and you thought it was the same thing as bringing them in loose, so I don't even know why you are still so hostile? Stop saying, "I'm out of this thread" and acting like you were mistaken, then coming back and defending your original point even more.

Calling him "dude" and saying "whole list of folks who think you acted like a spoiled child"....I'm a grown person, and I personally think saying what you just said is beyond immaturity. I think you owe Omega an apology.
 

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