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Omega

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I only belong to 8---- 7 now---- Banks. This particular bank was all set up to be my dump bank. When I opened my account, the lady assured me i could deposit coins for instant credit, and even gave me a nice stack of about 30 coinlok bags. This bank only has 3 branched in my area. Well call the location I opened the account at A, the location I had issues with B, and the location I never visited C. Well, about 3 weeks ago, I go to location B and try to dump $2,000 in halfs- With no luck what-so-ever. Oh well, I left and thought nothing of it. Another CRH in my area dumps at location A, and was recently having issues, so I figured I wouldn't even waist my time there.
This particular bank charged 4 bucks a month, and doesn't offer any kind of student accounts of anything. So after seeing that they were going to do me no good, I decided I would close my account when I had time. As most of you know, I picked up a nice De La Ru Coin counter last week. New it costs $2,500, so its pretty solid- the real deal.
Saturday (the 25th) I decided I would have some fun. I went to location 2 with two coinlok bags and asked to swap for cash (9:00). After getting a firm no, I proceed to talk to the manager, and show her an email from location 1 saying I can deposit the coins and what not. In the most condescending voice she proceeded to tell me that their coin process was to take the coins, ship it off, have it counted, and credit my account in 1-2 weeks. I said that was the biggest joke I've heard. I then said something like, "HEY! I've got a nice coin counter that costs two grand in the car. Let me go get it so we can verify this coin together!" I wheel this massive counter into the branch and she looks at me funny and says that they cant use third party devices in the bank because I may have "tampered" with it (9:15). Now she says that they can only accept rolled coin for immediate credit. *this is where things start to get good* I say, awesome!, I don't have any plans the rest of the day, I whip out my knife, cut open the bag, and start pouring it out onto the counter. While doing so reiterating the fact that I could just short the rolls 1-4 coins, and they wouldn't know, so it would be easier for them to just take the bags. I think that pissed her off a little. Because now I can only deposit 100 in rolled coins for immediate credit.
It is now 9:30, I know for a fact 100% that I AM NOT getting immediate credit, and the coins will be leaving with me today. I figure, mine as well prolong this as long as I can. My next questions was, "This is a bank yes? so you can take coin? What is the normal process?". She proceeded to tell me again, Take the coin, ship it out, 1-2 I will receive credit into my account, AND there will be a 12 dollar fee. WAIT- a 12 dollar fee? Yup. *Knowing that I've just been lied to* I say, "Oh Awesome! No problem, I'll leave my coin here and you can debit my account in 1-2 weeks. Please show me the fee in your fee scheduled." Haha, to bad the fee scheduled doesn't have made up fees in it. The Manager, assistant manager, service specialist, and 2 teller all spent the next 20-25 minutes looking for this nonexistent fee. At 10:00, she comes up to me and says I need to leave and that they've spent to much time helping me. She proceeds to tell me that I need to go to location A to get the fee scheduled. I look at her a little sideways and say "This is _____ Bank, and the bank in location a is a ______ Bank, So you both use the same papers and have the same rules, so why will they give me something that you cant?" Then she told me she was done and I needed to leave right away. With a smile on my face I wave goodbye, tell them I'll be back Monday for the fee scheduled, and walk out. The coins got deposited at the bank 200ft down the street.
At one point, I said something like "Well this seems very anti-productive, maybe I'll just close my account", well that had to be the funniest thing because every employ in the bank looked up, yelled "yes!" and clapped lol.
Fast forward to this morning. The bank opens at 9:00. I get a call at 8:05, as I am walking to my first class that starts at 8:10. Its location A. The manager tells me that she no longer wants me as a customer, I need to come empty my account today or they'll do it for me, and that my name is being added to the banks blacklist. I found it touching that she wanted to go in 50 minutes early to cancel my account (LOL jk).
Fast forward until after school and after all my pick ups and dumps. It's about 4:30, bank closes at 5. I go in and try to withdraw 4.99 from my account, leaving .01 in the account. The teller tells me my debit card has been deactivated and gets the manager. I asked what the issue is. She says that I've been trying to sneak behind her back, by going to location B and then Location C, because I was supposed to go talk to her after my first issue (WHICH NO ONE TOLD ME). And funny thing was I have never been to location C, its to far for me. Anyways, she then tells me I caused a huge scene at the other branch, and they almost called the police to remove me (HA). For some reason the manager at location B told the manager at location A I had 15 bags of coin in my car. She thought I was money laundering or something and then repeated to tell me she just didn't want to do business with me any more.
Having as much fun as I can, I ask to see where in their user agreement is says they can cancel my account without cause. Of course! They can't find it. But she said I didn't seem like the type of guy to cause a huge scene, so I would be removed from the blacklist and she hoped we could do business in the future (HA). I suppose I may have said I had more coins or something along those lines when I was rambling on Saturday morning.
Lastly, they wouldn't let me leave with my debit card, and if I wanted it I had to cut it up, So I spent a solid 10 minutes making a beautiful snowflake out of the card. This thing was STUNNING! I should have taken a picture. LOL!

Lesson learned, Stay away from CALIFORNIA BANK AND TRUST!

Thanks for listening to my rant/ story. I had the biggest grin/ smile on my face the whole time. I hope you guys got a good laugh out of it as well.
-1 bank accounts lol. 7 left.


I've also been less active on the forums. Fed up with the power control held by mods, the harassment and slandering of certain members, and the overall lack of community right now. I'll still be checking in every once in a while. Always available PM if you need to get in contact with me.

On a CRH note, I pulled close to 15oz last week doing some intense volume. Don't have the exact numbers up right now. But it was a lot. Got 6 today and only got a '64. It's all good though.

Happy Hunting! Good Luck!
 

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GlenDronach

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Your continued escalation of the situation DOES indicate your age developmentally though. So many of my students do not understand that their behavior comes with consequences. Even if they know the consequences, it is difficult for them to understand that their own actions will result in that consequence.

Yes, you have the right to complain. But your actions became more and more immature and inflammatory. Instead of getting what you want, you left feeling you were 'right' and no dump bank. Which would you rather have?


And my head still spins trying to figure out where a high school student has the bankroll for that many halves, cents, and a coin counter.
 

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That is Very Good. It seems like you are taking good care of the banks that take care of you. A lot of us could really learn from you. I brought cupcakes to four of my main banks before Christmas, but aside from verbal thanks, that's all I've done.

The only issue is on how to treat the people/banks/tellers that *don't* treat us well. There are certainly different schools of thought on this in general. Within the CRH world, I guess I'm an advocate for turning the other cheek, in order to not kill the goose that laid the golden egg.


I was very respectful and actually apologized to the teller multiple time throughout my scene. I was pissed at the CBT bank. Not the people in particular.
 

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Your continued escalation of the situation DOES indicate your age developmentally though. So many of my students do not understand that their behavior comes with consequences. Even if they know the consequences, it is difficult for them to understand that their own actions will result in that consequence.

Yes, you have the right to complain. But your actions became more and more immature and inflammatory. Instead of getting what you want, you left feeling you were 'right' and no dump bank. Which would you rather have?

And my head still spins trying to figure out where a high school student has the bankroll for that many halves, cents, and a coin counter.


I was happy with how everything played out.

As far as my bankroll. I live in a prime CRH area and pull a lot. If you want to see my numbers. Just ask, I'll post them. If we add up how much it's all worth, and subtract 300 for the coin counter, 400 for the Ryedale, and 200 for my safe, the left over money is my bankroll, which is pretty high- because of all the silver I pull. I sell most of it. I also buy and sell gold/ sterling jewelry, but I just started doing this a few weeks ago. This also makes me a lot.
 

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Omega - I like you and read all your posts - but you acted like an entitled spoiled brat and nothing good will come from any of this. You seem like a good kid and are better than this. Hope we can still be friends.
 

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In my opinion, making a scene as Omega did in this case is no different than someone buying a bunch of rolls/bags/boxes, searching them in the lobby/parking lot, and returning the rejects right back up to the counter. No good whatsoever could possibly come from that behavior. It can only hurt the hobby for himself as well as others. I do not, and never will, understand the desire to intentionally do this.
 

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I think you should be most concerned about being thought of as money laundering. It may get you on a black list of all banks. It may get you reported to homeland security and IRS. I think the most appropriate issue would be to ask for written policy of fees when told you are being charged, then ask for a receipt. I used to get charged 5 or 8 bucks to cash my checks becouse my bank would always place a hold of 48 hrs on them. So I would go to origination bank to cash. Pissed me off to no end it should be illegal. So I would ask for written policy iiiieee yi yiiii cant find it, then I would ask for an itemiezd reciept ----we don't have one- well can you get the branch manager then I make them write one out long hand and sign it (for my accountant as these fees are business related and need documentation for the IRS).The 20 minutes it takes 3 bank employees to do this is too much fun. I think they make these fees up and if you get a reciept then complain to office of controller of currency and I think they will get in big doo doo. It would be best if you were an illegal whoops I mean undocumented alien , minority or LBGT becouse then you can say in your letter your being treated unfairly because of your status / racial/sexual class. Then the Liberal politicians will immediatley pass 50 laws protecting your rights to be treated fairly and instantly we can deposit coins without fees.
 

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Guys - just keep in mind we were all 19 once. I remember doing and saying some things that I look back and cringe at today. Hell I still say and do things I cringe at 20 minutes later!!!
 

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Omega, i'm not very good at expressing myself but i have to agree with Styfflin, NHBandit, jamesandsons, Accordselux, Joecool, and ArkieBassman's comments. You do seem to take care of the tellers that you deal with and that is a big plus in this hobby. It's just as important to keep your activities under the radar. Rolling a coin counting machine into the lobby among other things you mentioned is not the way to do it. I'm not a hater, just trying to give you some constructive critisism. I don't do the volume you and many others do but have been searching steadily for 7 or 8 years now. Fly under the radar. Don't draw negative attention to yourself. Good luck to you, MM2
 

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Very Interesting story.
Bank employees including managers will sometimes make up rules and fees. There are banking laws to regulate these matters, but the banks rely on strong arm tactics and consumer ignorance.
Consumer protection laws generally say that banks are liable for up to 3 x damages plus legal fees. Too few people challenge them.
 

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Omega did nothing wrong. Stop insulting him and acting so condencending toward his heroic actions.

What if he owned a car wash or a bunch of vending machines? His money and business would have been harmed due to the disgusting interference of this bank "worker".


He as a customer of a bank WITH A BUSINESS ACCOUNT TO BOOT has a Written contract that enables him to deposit coins in bulk. In business law, there are things involving trade and transactions known as established customs; Omega, has repeatedly done business WITH the bank, in such a manner that whenever he exchanged coins, he would instantly be accredited cash. Although there is no contract stipulating that he must be credited immeditaley, he's repeatedly done it and received instant credit for his actions; the teller caused him an inconvenience by breaking this custom for no apparent reason other than he was a 19 year old, who she didn't like.

Regardless, when confronted with the fact that the coins would need to be rolled, He began doing as instructed. He proceeded to roll the coins. And this bank teller? The teller refused VALID US CURRENCY, in the format she requested.

To long; Didn't Read A teller, a bank manager, has no right to interfere with a contract between the bank and one if it's customers.
 

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Omega did nothing wrong. Stop insulting him and acting so condencending toward his heroic actions.

What if he owned a car wash or a bunch of vending machines? His money and business would have been harmed due to the disgusting interference of this bank "worker".


He as a customer of a bank WITH A BUSINESS ACCOUNT TO BOOT has a Written contract that enables him to deposit coins in bulk. In business law, there are things involving trade and transactions known as established customs; Omega, has repeatedly done business WITH the bank, in such a manner that whenever he exchanged coins, he would instantly be accredited cash. Although there is no contract stipulating that he must be credited immeditaley, he's repeatedly done it and received instant credit for his actions; the teller caused him an inconvenience by breaking this custom for no apparent reason other than he was a 19 year old, who she didn't like.

Regardless, when confronted with the fact that the coins would need to be rolled, He began doing as instructed. He proceeded to roll the coins. And this bank teller? The teller refused VALID US CURRENCY, in the format she requested.

To long; Didn't Read A teller, a bank manager, has no right to interfere with a contract between the bank and one if it's customers.
LoL... Like I posted earlier I'm not here to argue. But... are you here to pretend to be a lawyer ? Your position is that because he had an unwritten deal with one branch to give him his money immediately that a different branch where he admits to having no contacts at and has been refused at once in the past, is OBLIGATED to grant him the same courtesy that they give him at branch #1 ? Maybe it had nothing to do with his age and had everything to do with the fact that this particular branch had NEVER done any business with him, didn't know him, and had never been the recipient of the goodies he passed around at branch #1 ? Just a thought... Maybe you & him can round up some other gangstas & go down there and pound your fists on the desk and DEMAND satisfaction... If that dosn't work kick over some trash cans & start yelling as loud as you can.. lolol... "heroic actions".. What a hoot...
 

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Contracts are no laughing matter.
It was YOU who said he didn't have one. You have seen the agreement (if any) that he has showing that the bank is obligated to accept any amount of coins, either rolled, unrolled, or in a 5 gallon bucket and that they MUST pay him cash on demand ? And that they need to disrupt all the other customers who might be waiting in line to take care of someone they make NO money from and who is being belligerent & unruly ? SHOW me..... I normally don't come to this forum and now I know why. Some of you folks are a trip, completely out of touch with reality, and the most arrogant people I've ever seen.
 

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It was YOU who said he didn't have one. You have seen the agreement (if any) that he has showing that the bank is obligated to accept any amount of coins, either rolled, unrolled, or in a 5 gallon bucket and that they MUST pay him cash on demand ? And that they need to disrupt all the other customers who might be waiting in line to take care of someone they make NO money from and who is being belligerent & unruly ? SHOW me..... I normally don't come to this forum and now I know why. Some of you folks are a trip, completely out of touch with reality, and the most arrogant people I've ever seen.

He has a business account and has a right to exchange valid US tender for valid US tender as an account holder. IF he had a vending machine business, and he needed the cash, his business would have been adversely effected from this teller. Omega presented the coins counted, there is no reason at all for the teller refusing to take them.

If this was some guy trying to buy a car, the guy selling the car could tell him to go to heck bring me cash or else. A bank on the other hand-especially with Omega having a business account- is obligated to fulfill this.


To give an example of a business account:
Account Features:

No charge for up to 300 items per month based on the aggregated volume of deposits, deposited items, paid items, and ACH credits and debits
received

This is just one of the random business accounts I've dealt with, but, according to this, I could have 300 exchanges per month if I so wanted to. IF they denied me, it is a breach of a contract. I would successfully be able to take legal action against them.
 

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Contracts are no laughing matter.

Every contract for every bank account I have ever opened stated that both I and the bank can cancel the account at any time for any reason.
 

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I think everyone is missing the point. I think all he was looking for was to be treated the same at each branch. Why is he persona nongrata in one branch and ok in another. The Banks absolutley have a right to decline his business. Or Charge a fee for coins. It just seems to me they start individually targeting people with charges or fees that they pull out of thin air. When they do that they are discriminating. The fees and charges I believe have to be approved by or listed with the office of comptroller of currency and should apply to every customer. If they dont want his business boot him out dont make up fees becouse they think they are loosing money on the deal.
 

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I remember the first time I picked up a bunch of rolls I walked in with a bag and the teller was tense lol I just wanted to trade paper for metals. They went from scared to interested lol
 

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WARNING TO THOSE IT APPLIES TO, STOP THE INSULTS NOW!

Holmes do not tell moderators what to do, TN is not just for adults it is for everyone as long as they follow our rules......

Read our rules, there is never a reason to insult and or attack another member.....

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WARNING TO THOSE IT APPLIES, STOP THE INSULTS NOW!

Holmes do not tell moderators what to do, TN is not just for adults it is for everyone as long as they follow our rules......

Read our rules, there is never a reason to insult and or attack another member.....

Members can make suggestions on better ways to handle a situation with out attacking or insulting....

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Thanks TH-
I may not agree 100% with how Omega handled it- i totally understand and dont believe he destroyed crh for anyone at that particular bank- it was already destroyed before his rant-

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