1600s dutch coin from early american site???

[dwayne sueno]

1600's dutch coin from early american site

was just sorting through my "junque" pouch from yesterday's hunt that produced the vermont copper and gIII gaming token, and saw this, which i guess i must have thought was a button, but now that i'm looking at it closer, it appears to be a very thin coin. first pick has something of a clover-leaf pattern, with at least three lines of writing.
what i can read looks like this:

GIV
TRA...
16??

not even sure about the 6.

the reverse is fairly corroded, but i can see "UTRECHT" around the rim.

thanks for looking,

dwayne

 

[Mackaydon]

Re: 1600's dutch coin from early american site

TRA , TRAN and TRANS were each mintmarks for the city of Overijssel.
Utrecht is the smallest province in the Netherlands; also the 4th largest city in the country.
The coin may be a 'duit' (diameter about 22mm versus the cent at 19 mm)
Don....

 

[lennon631]

Re: 1600's dutch coin from early american site

Leave it to Mackay as he snores...way to go!

 

[dwayne sueno]

Re: 1600's dutch coin from early american site

thanks so much, Don.
you always amaze me with the info you come up with.
i'm gonna go ahead and give this thread the green check.

dwayne

 

[Mackaydon]

Re: 1600's dutch coin from early american site

Dwayne:
Thanks, but I'd leave it unchecked for a while.
My ID is a guess; not a positive ID.
I'm still trying to find your coin.
Can you read any other letters or see an image?
Don..

 

[dwayne sueno]

Re: 1600's dutch coin from early american site

Don,

I'll go ahead and uncheck it.
I was gonna do a little gentle cleaning this evening, and will post pics and details if anything new comes up.
Thanks!

D

 

[Mackaydon]

Re: 1600's dutch coin from early american site

I think I'm real close, if not on it with this:
Scroll down to UTR 14, UTR 15 and UTR 16
(And hit your translate button.)
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...m+overijssel+TRA+CIV&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Edit: Rule out UTR 14.

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: 1600's dutch coin from early american site

Check this one too. (I didn't check the link above so could be the same)

http://vanromondtresearch.blogspot.com/2008_03_01_archive.html

 

[dwayne sueno]

Re: 1600's dutch coin from early american site

I think I'm real close, if not on it with this:
Scroll down to UTR 14, UTR 15 and UTR 16
(And hit your translate button.)
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...m+overijssel+TRA+CIV&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Check this one too. (I didn't check the link above so could be the same)

http://vanromondtresearch.blogspot.com/2008_03_01_archive.html

You two are ridiculous! Both those links look right on to me.
Will try some judicious cleaning here soon, and try and post some better pics.
Thank you so much,

Dwayne

 

[dwayne sueno]

Re: 1600's dutch coin from early american site

alright, a little cool peroxide bath, some q-tips, and some petroleum jelly, and i'm not much further along than when i started.
here's the new pics. pretty sure the date is 16?7, with the question mark most likely being an 8.

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: 1600's dutch coin from early american site

alright, a little cool peroxide bath, some q-tips, and some petroleum jelly, and i'm not much further along than when i started.
here's the new pics. pretty sure the date is 16?7, with the question mark most likely being an 8.

You did improve it some.

Looks like 1687 to me. Your oldest coin?

 

[dwayne sueno]

Re: 1600's dutch coin from early american site

alright, a little cool peroxide bath, some q-tips, and some petroleum jelly, and i'm not much further along than when i started.
here's the new pics. pretty sure the date is 16?7, with the question mark most likely being an 8.

You did improve it some.

Looks like 1687 to me. Your oldest coin?

man, your'e fast.
ya, beats my wiliiam III ha'penny by about ten years.

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: 1600's dutch coin from early american site

alright, a little cool peroxide bath, some q-tips, and some petroleum jelly, and i'm not much further along than when i started.
here's the new pics. pretty sure the date is 16?7, with the question mark most likely being an 8.

You did improve it some.

Looks like 1687 to me. Your oldest coin?

man, your'e fast.
ya, beats my wiliiam III ha'penny by about ten years.

Right on. One of my hunting buds hit a 1600s coin a long time before I did. I'm not even sure when mine came, but was at least a few years later. For the longest time he made oldest silver and copper a contest until I took over and it ended. Then a guest dug a 1300s hammered and it really stopped!

 

[dwayne sueno]

Re: 1600's dutch coin from early american site

alright, a little cool peroxide bath, some q-tips, and some petroleum jelly, and i'm not much further along than when i started.
here's the new pics. pretty sure the date is 16?7, with the question mark most likely being an 8.

You did improve it some.

Looks like 1687 to me. Your oldest coin?

man, your'e fast.
ya, beats my wiliiam III ha'penny by about ten years.

Right on. One of my hunting buds hit a 1600s coin a long time before I did. I'm not even sure when mine came, but was at least a few years later. For the longest time he made oldest silver and copper a contest until I took over and it ended. Then a guest dug a 1300s hammered and it really stopped!

that would do it! funny how one or two sites can change one's perspective. i'm finding copper 3 to 1 compared to my hunting buddy, and i think i've got 7 1700's or earlier coins on the year to none for him. se vs safari, but i can't see much of a difference in the two, so it must just be a matter of putting the coil over a target...

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: 1600's dutch coin from early american site

alright, a little cool peroxide bath, some q-tips, and some petroleum jelly, and i'm not much further along than when i started.
here's the new pics. pretty sure the date is 16?7, with the question mark most likely being an 8.

You did improve it some.

Looks like 1687 to me. Your oldest coin?

man, your'e fast.
ya, beats my wiliiam III ha'penny by about ten years.

Right on. One of my hunting buds hit a 1600s coin a long time before I did. I'm not even sure when mine came, but was at least a few years later. For the longest time he made oldest silver and copper a contest until I took over and it ended. Then a guest dug a 1300s hammered and it really stopped!

that would do it! funny how one or two sites can change one's perspective. i'm finding copper 3 to 1 compared to my hunting buddy, and i think i've got 7 1700's or earlier coins on the year to none for him. se vs safari, but i can't see much of a difference in the two, so it must just be a matter of putting the coil over a target...

It's cool that you're getting over some good stuff but just one find can change things VERY fast! Sometimes if I feel I'm a bit ahead I also worry what is building up to be dug in front of me.

 

[Mackaydon]

Re: 1600's dutch coin from early american site

BTW, CIV TRAIECT is abbreviated for CIVITAS TRAIECT (The City of Utrecht)
Don.....

 

[Dano Sverige]

Re: 1600's dutch coin from early american site

New York area was under Dutch rule only until 1674,when the English took over,so it's possible the date on your coin is 1667 not 1687.

 

[dwayne sueno]

Re: 1600's dutch coin from early american site

BTW, CIV TRAIECT is abbreviated for CIVITAS TRAIECT (The City of Utrecht)
Don.....

Thanks, Don! I think we've got enough info for a green check.
Still can't quite see that third number in the date, but we know now that the coin is a duit from utrecht.
I'm satisfied with that, but I will continue to stare at it with different lights to try and get a full date.

New York area was under Dutch rule only until 1674,when the English took over,so it's possible the date on your coin is 1667 not 1687.

Dano,
It's entirely possible that the coin is dated 1667. I would prefer it if it were, only because it would beat my previous oldest coin (WIII ha'penny) by 30 years instead of 10.
However, in 1710, 2,100 German Palatines immigrated to the mid-Hudson Valley, and it's entirely possible that the coin could have come over the Atlantic with one of them.
I will look into that...

 

[Deepdiger60]

Re: 1600's dutch coin from early american site

Hi dwayne your not that far from me out here when the Dutch settled in 1617 on the Northfork until the 1670,s when the British battle took place so its very possible that coin is 1667 iam in a very deep dark woods out here hunting for days all iam going to say is there is Dutch coins in those woods will post early next week after my search is done Nice find by the way a real oldie Dd60