1715 Beach Area Short Term House Rental...

[Ocaliman]

While reading some of the posts that have to do with the bridges being shut down during the hurricane, with only residents being allowed access, I began to think of how someone, or a group of someone's could manage to legally be able to get to the barrier island without staying at a hotel (which would most likely get you thrown out during the evacuation), or playing hide-and-seek with local law enforcement.

Simply put, we need to find someone who either lives there, or has rental property there who would be willing to write up a short term rental lease for the property. One of the nice things about the state of Florida is that Tenants (Renters) have the same rights to a piece of property as a property owner (other than "disposition of the property").

The lease should serve as "Prima Facie" evidence of residency on the island, and will most likely get you through the roadblocks.

Give me your feedback and ideas on this...

 

[Mitch1FL]

As a lifelong resident of Florida, I have seen many storms. My house is located about 2 miles inland from the ocean just over the RR tracks near US1 here in Sebastian/Wabasso. I stayed put for the hurricanes of 2004. I was a long scary night during Frances and Jeane both. Power was out for 9 days the 1st time, 7 days the second. My house was boarded up, I was well stocked with food and water and had a generator. But it was still ruff going. The heat was really bad. I would stay put agian for a Cat 1 or 2, but next cat 3 or more, I might be otta here!!! A cat 2 about 100 miles off shore, moving north at about 10mph is all I would wish for. No more landfalls here please!

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

We had no plywood on the roof. Every window in the house and every truck window was gone. The only thing left was the foundation and block walls. Part of the roof buried the truck. Most of our furniture was sucked outside somewhere and the cental A/C was gone. The tub was still full of water, but undrinkable because it was full of fiberglass insulation and drywall, as was the whole house. Some homes caught fire as gas lines broke. Homeowners sat in the hot August sun almost in shock, with no drinkable water. Looters took advantage of the situation. Police helpless. Nobody was prepared for this first hurricane of the season called Andrew, and worst in 50 years. Help could only come from the north. Communications were out. It took 5 or 6 days for the National Guard to arrive. Should I go on?

 

[Silver Striker]

Ok, you win BigCypress. Andrew was the worst hurricane, by far. So, I'll let you slide on your Frances and Jeanne comments. Anybody that was in ground zero during Andrew or Katrina has my compassion and prayers. I still wouldn't wish back to back cat 3's on anyone though. SS

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Ok, you win BigCypress. Andrew was the worst hurricane, by far. So, I'll let you slide on your Frances and Jeanne comments. Anybody that was in ground zero during Andrew or Katrina has my compassion and prayers. I still wouldn't wish back to back cat 3's on anyone though. SS

Sorry, I wasnt trying to win. Frances and Jeanne POUNDED the Treasure Coast, back to back. I didnt know they were Cat 3. I only seen the aftermath. I was just trying to make the point that it can or will get worse. I'm sure that Andrew will not be the worst this century. The worst is yet to come.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Big C wishes the worst is yet to come, so he can get his greedy little paws on that Spanish Gold..lol.

Cap Z.

I'm having second thoughts about hunkering down. I guess sleeping in my van is out of the question.

 

[Silver Striker]

Definitely a very risky and uncomfortable sounding idea, Cypress. The area around you could get flooded and you might be stuck there for days, a power line could break loose and hit your van, a tree could fall and smash your van or a really strong gust could even flip it over. Also, every time you wanted fresh air you'd have to roll down the windows and get wet, unless you have an extra battery for the a/c. I wouldn't try it. Maybe you should wait for a tropical storm that doesn't have mandatory evacuations of the beach. Just a thought. SS

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Vans do flip over easily. I was planning on bringing 5 days food, water, and gas. Also an a/c in the back window with a generator. I would park alongside a strong building as inland as possible. Maybe you are right, a TS would be the max. My truck would get peppered, the windows broken. The building could collapse, powerlines everywhere. My friend spent one of the two storms under an overpass on the expressway in his camper. He didn't plan this, just got stuck in traffic. Trying to evacuate could also be bad news if you wait too long.

 

[deepsix47]

The old timers are right. A good Easterly or Northeaster in the winter will do as good of a job as a decent hurricane to the beaches.

As far as hurricanes go, it's up to each of us to decide if we want to ride it out on the islands or wait inland for it to pass and then gain access to the beaches (no problem really if you use your imagination) as quickly as possible. Yes, I do know what many went through. I have either been through, or had close friends that went through, every storm named in this thread and more.

Through Francis and Jeannie, we were either on or gained immediate access to, the beaches as soon as the storms passed. You have to plan ahead and go in prepared to be totally self sufficient for what ever length of time you want to spend in the area (our basic plan is for two weeks). We set up a base camp on the mainland and a work camp on the islands. It was fun, exciting, and profitable. What more can you ask from a treasure hunt?

The only real question is "what are you willing to risk to go treasure hunting". If you choose to risk less then someone else, it does not make you less of a treasure hunter. Likewise, if you choose to risk more, it does not make you more of a treasure hunter. It merely shows what the limits are that you place on yourself.

For the most part TH'ing is a straight up, fun past time, that can be enjoyed by the entire family and can be considered very safe. It does not take much effort however to add elements of risk such as the hurricanes we are speaking of in this thread. Not everyone is up to those risks and unless you are completely confident in your own ability, then they should not be undertaken. Know your limits, have fun, and go treasure hunting!!!!
Deepsix

 

[Silver Striker]

Great post, Deepsix. Let me also add that the category of the hurricane is also an important consideration. I've lived on the east coast of Florida, my entire life, and have ridden out several category 1's, with no major problems. I've only ridden out two cat 2's and one cat 3 though, which was Jeanne. Cat 3's are a judgement call. If I'm living in a sturdy house and it doesn't look like it will hit within 50 miles of me, I'd probably ride it out. However, that's where I draw the line. I'd evacuate for any and all cat 3's, 4's and 5's, with a projected landfall within 50 miles of here. If I lived on beachside, a flood zone or a trailer or manufactured home, I'd also evacuate even if it's just a cat 2. I evacuated for Frances and have no regrets at all (we weren't sure whether it would be a cat 3 or 4 or exactly where it was going to hit, so I erred on the side of caution). I do however regret staying in Palm Bay for Jeanne. The storm was bad enough, but the 11 days without electricity afterwards were hell. I also lost a lot of stuff that was in the shed. If I can afford to do so and motel rooms are available, I'd evacuate for any future cat 3, even if it's not a direct hit. JMHO, of course. I could never see chasing hurricanes or going out of my way to ride them out, just for a slightly better chance of finding some treasure though. But that's me. When I was a kid, hurricanes used to excite me. However, as I get older and have gone through a couple of cat 3's, the thrill is gone. I wouldn't live over on beachside, for that reason. I certainly wouldn't ride one out in a van. Not even a tropical storm. So, if you absolutely have to come to the Treasure Coast during a strong hurricane, I'd get yourself a motel room on the mainline and wait for the bridges to open back up. Or you could come during a tropical storm and stay on beachside, in a safe structure. Doing anything more wreckless than that, you are just asking for trouble. By the way, even a category 2 can cause serious damage. I rode out Hurricane Erin, back in the 90's, and it spawned a tornado that ripped through my brother's yard and a tree clipped the corner of the house and totalled his car. We were sleeping just 30 feet from that tree. I also almost lost my car during a tornado from Frances. So, take all of that into consideration. Just my two cents worth. SS

 

[wreckdiver1715]

Ok! who rented a beach house in time for this one?

 

[Silver Striker]

Ernesto is a perfect tropical storm for you guys to experiment with. See if you can handle riding this one out, before considering a real hurricane. Hey Wreckdiver, I have a few questions. I plan on hunting the Treasure Coast after Ernesto. Should I hunt the lane or higher up near the dunes, for best results? Should I be looking mostly for spots carved out by the storm? How long will the best window of opportunity be, after the storm? Also, which wrecks are giving up the most booty lately? I have maps of the wrecks, but that's an aweful lot of beach to cover in a few days. lol You can send me a private reply, if you don't want to post that info. SS

 

[wreckdiver1715]

Silver Striker, with the wave action going on and the storm surge, the waves will be at the dunes and thats the place to be. Unfortunately, this storm is going to pass west of the treasure coast close to sun set, and at low tide. The next high tide will be at 12:49AM, and with that tide going out, so will much of what ever is buried in the dunes. Thursday morning will most likely offer the best opportunity for safe and profitable beach detecting with this system, as low tide will be at 7:16AM. If you don't make it to the beaches by this time you might as well call it just another day at the beach.
Work the lane best you can during the low tide, with all the breakers, and then work the base of the dunes. I would recommend hunting any of the publicly known 1715 beaches, recently the best finds have been comming out of Wabasso beach, well just south at Turtle trail. I am telling you and the world this location, because it is a good site with a better than even chance of scoring some Spanish treasure, well that and I will not be working it. I am on another hunt, and of course I am not going to divulge that location for reasons of national security

Good hunting to all, and lets be safe out there!

Tom

 

[Silver Striker]

Silver Striker, with the wave action going on and the storm surge, the waves will be at the dunes and thats the place to be. Unfortunately, this storm is going to pass west of the treasure coast close to sun set, and at low tide. The next high tide will be at 12:49AM, and with that tide going out, so will much of what ever is buried in the dunes. Thursday morning will most likely offer the best opportunity for safe and profitable beach detecting with this system, as low tide will be at 7:16AM. If you don't make it to the beaches by this time you might as well call it just another day at the beach.
Work the lane best you can during the low tide, with all the breakers, and then work the base of the dunes. I would recommend hunting any of the publicly known 1715 beaches, recently the best finds have been comming out of Wabasso beach, well just south at Turtle trail. I am telling you and the world this location, because it is a good site with a better than even chance of scoring some Spanish treasure, well that and I will not be working it. I am on another hunt, and of course I am not going to divulge that location for reasons of national security

Good hunting to all, and lets be safe out there!

Tom

Thanks, Tom. I appreciate all of that valuable info. I wonder if the causeways will be open on Thursday morning, so I can get down there. Would I be better off taking Eau Gallie or Melbourne Causeway over to beachside and then heading down A1A or should I take US1 south to Wabasso Causeway? I haven't been down there for several years and have never been down there right after a storm. Do you think that Sea Grape Beach and Turtle Trail Beach parking lots will be open or should I look for a secluded spot that's not a public beach? I really don't know what to expect, right after a storm. If I find anything, I will be sure to post a pic. Thanks again, Jeff

 

[Dirt Fishin Dale]

Thanks Tom!
Hope I still have room to swing the machine.
Just kidding. Thanks for the info.
Good luck on your hunt..

 

[wreckdiver1715]

My pleasure guys! it's just some of the advantages to being a member at TreasureNet (Treasure hunters helping Treasure hunters). The storm looks like a fissile, so as long as the winds don't get up to 50, they will most likely leave all the causeway bridges open.
I stepped into my backyard with a cup of coffee (with Baily's) this morning to have a look see at the weather, and the surf is most defiantly up, I can hear the breakers on the beach loud and clear from my barrier island bungalow that is closer to the Indian River than the beach. So today may be an outstanding opportunity to hit the beach as well. Imagine that! we evacuated our HH-60 helicopters, and HC-130 aircraft yesterday, so I have today off. Hmmmmmm what is an old frustrated pirate to do....

 

[wreckdiver1715]

COASTAL WATERS FROM COCOA BEACH TO JUPITER INLET OUT 20 NM-
WATERS FROM COCOA BEACH TO JUPITER INLET 20 TO 60 NM OFFSHORE-
607 AM EDT WED AUG 30 2006

TROPICAL STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT


TODAY
TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS EXPECTED. SOUTHEAST WINDS
20 TO 30 KNOTS WITH GUSTS TO AROUND 45 KNOTS MAINLY IN SQUALLS.
SEAS 7 TO 10 FEET. INTRACOASTAL WATERS VERY ROUGH. RAIN AND
ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS.

TONIGHT
TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS EXPECTED. SOUTHWEST WINDS
25 TO 30 KNOTS WITH GUSTS TO AROUND 45 KNOTS. SEAS 7 TO 10 FEET.
INTRACOASTAL WATERS VERY ROUGH. RAIN EARLY IN THE EVENING.
ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS. SHOWERS LIKELY IN THE LATE EVENING AND
OVERNIGHT.

THURSDAY
TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS POSSIBLE EARLY AND MAINLY
OFFSHORE. SOUTHWEST WINDS 20 TO 25 KNOTS WITH GUSTS TO AROUND 40
KNOTS DECREASING TO 10 TO 15 KNOTS IN THE AFTERNOON. SEAS 4 TO 6
FEET. INTRACOASTAL WATERS ROUGH. SHOWERS LIKELY AND A CHANCE OF
THUNDERSTORMS.

THURSDAY NIGHT
SOUTHWEST WINDS 10 TO 15 KNOTS. SEAS 3 TO 4
FEET. INTRACOASTAL WATERS A LIGHT CHOP. SHOWERS LIKELY AND A
CHANCE OF THUNDERSTORMS.

FRIDAY
SOUTHWEST WINDS 10 TO 15 KNOTS BECOMING SOUTH 5 TO
10 KNOTS IN THE AFTERNOON. SEAS 2 TO 3 FEET. INTRACOASTAL WATERS
A MODERATE CHOP. SCATTERED SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS.

FRIDAY NIGHT
SOUTH WINDS 10 TO 15 KNOTS. SEAS 2 TO 3 FEET.
ISOLATED SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS.

SATURDAY
SOUTHWEST WINDS 5 TO 10 KNOTS. SEAS 2 FEET. SCATTERED
SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS.

SATURDAY NIGHT
SOUTH WINDS 5 TO 10 KNOTS. SEAS 2 FEET. A
CHANCE OF SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS.

SUNDAY
SOUTH WINDS 5 KNOTS SHIFTING TO THE EAST IN THE
AFTERNOON. SEAS 2 FEET. SCATTERED SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Ok! who rented a beach house in time for this one?

I am just updating this thread to tell anyone that doesnt already know, that Ernesto was a dud. And here lies the problem of predicting the right storm ahead of time. There will be many false alarms that can amount to a lot of wasted rental money. The 2004 hurricanes were the worst storms to hit in my life and we may not see it again for 40 years. We may not see back to back storms for a century. With the police unprepared and no roadblocks, it was definitly a chance of a lifetime...




...and then again, it could happen again next month!

 

[deepsix47]

I watched this show on Discovery called Survivorman. I actually liked it. Will continue to watch it.

But what I drew from his techniques...a whole lotta wood is necessary to burn for one guy to keep warm etc.
Then I thought about the salvage camps and how close to the ocean...too much salt for trees.

Across the Indian River is where I a going to search, especially old growth hard wood areas. I think there must be a hundred stashes if not a thousand lost artifacts where all the wood needed to survive was cut.

Just a thought.

Cap Z.

Hi Cap: It's better then just a thought. In 94/95 (sorry can't remember which) a kid at one of the local schools (in Sebastian) was out in the woods in back of his school. He kicked a pile of dirt and exposed a cache of Eight Reales from the fleet. It made the papers and as I remember Mel's Museum authenticated them so more exact info is available with a little research. I also think there was something about the kid suing his parents over them as they wanted to take them from him.
Deepsix

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

There are actually Oak trees that grow right up to the dunes. Take a look at Sea Grape Trail. I like Survivorman also. The trees that grow on that beach are predominately Oak, Sea Grape, and Sable Palm. They also had driftwood and salvage. They learned from the Ais to eat the Sea Grape and Palmetto berries when in season. Black Bear roamed the beaches, but they might need to go inland for Whitetail Deer. They would need fire daily to cook turtles and fish, and they would eventually use up all the wood around them for warmth, cooking, shelter, and safety. How and where would they travel inland? Would they use the waterways? They have been dredging the San Sebastian River. Has anyone heard about any finds? If you remember more Deepsix, we would love to hear it. Great story.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Deepsix,
I wonder if it is legal to metal detect around schools? If one has to get written permission?

I too would like to hear more about the kids reales.

HH
Cap Z.

Maybe they missed one?