1744 volin

[hmmm]

I'll get the ball rolling on this, any idea what its worth, remember ,Stradivarius died in 1737.
the castle is not painted, its inlaid wood, very nice.

Antonius Stradiuarius
1744

 

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[Mackaydon]

Do you have it's provenance and/or a Cert. of Authenticity from a reputable dealer?

 

[Deepdiger60]

Nice violin if that is the real thing anywhere between 100,000 to millions Dd60

 

[hmmm]

Do you have it's provenance and/or a Cert. of Authenticity from a reputable dealer?

Stradivarius died in 1737 so it is a replica made after he died, but it is authentic 1744 violin. it is a family herlium.

 

[watercolor]

Very nice!

Does the bow used for playing the violin have a maker's name or touchmark?
This may be helpful for further evaluation & time period etc.

 

[randazzo1]

It has to have some value being from 1744 - even if just as a decorative piece. I do know that with Violins its more about the quality of the sound than the age.

 

[CaribbeanDiver]

I just wanted to see what a "volin" was, lol. And why no shipwreck artifact section here?

 

[roswellborn]

I'd love a better look at the neck - where the frets would be if violins had frets...

Is there a "seam" down the middle of the back? Solid pieces are harder to do, but considered nicer for the sound quality of the violin, so if there's no "seam" then that's to the good.

Sometimes an artisan had a workshop, and anything that came out of that workshop would have the artist's name on it (think Chihuly - the glass blower that hires it all done for him - cuz he's only got one eye - all his pieces have HIS name on 'em)

Loved seeing the violin - very glad you posted it - thanks!

Nan
p.s.
either the Roadshow or a reputable appraiser would probably be your best bet, anyway - but again, so very glad you shared it! thanks :-)

 

[BuckleBoy]

Hey! This is actually buckleboy's girlfriend- I am a professional cello player and I have recently had a lot of interaction with string instrument specialists in regards to my own cello.

As you say, the instrument is a reproduction and there are millions of violins (some made in the 1700's, some made in 2010!) out there that have "Stradivarius" labels in them in attempts to get people to buy them.

However, it is extremely difficult to verify/appraise stringed instruments-- for example there are many instruments from the current century which look old but are not and there are many instruments from the 1700's which have been very carefully preserved and look almost new. The only way to get a value on the instrument is to take it to a professional luthier (string repair person/string instrument maker) for an appraisal. They will need to look at the different types of wood used, look at the different shape of the instrument's body, the neck, etc. This will probably cost about $ 20-50 but most luthiers will not charge you if they can tell that the instrument is not worth it. Also, bows are often sold separately from the instrument so the bow that is with the instrument probably does not share its origin, though bows are often worth quite a bit of money themselves!

Also, based on the appearance of the instrument in the photos, it is in need of some repairs. A luthier will be able to advise you on the proper steps to be taken to preserve the instrument (either to make the repairs or the best way to store the instrument), regardless of whether or not this is a 1700's violin!

Good Luck with your Violin!

~Diggergrl

 

[hmmm]

I'd love a better look at the neck - where the frets would be if violins had frets...

Is there a "seam" down the middle of the back? Solid pieces are harder to do, but considered nicer for the sound quality of the violin, so if there's no "seam" then that's to the good.

Sometimes an artisan had a workshop, and anything that came out of that workshop would have the artist's name on it (think Chihuly - the glass blower that hires it all done for him - cuz he's only got one eye - all his pieces have HIS name on 'em)

Loved seeing the violin - very glad you posted it - thanks!

Nan
p.s.
either the Roadshow or a reputable appraiser would probably be your best bet, anyway - but again, so very glad you shared it! thanks :-)

yes there is a seam.

 

[ANTIQUARIAN]

Hey! This is actually buckleboy's girlfriend- I am a professional cello player and I have recently had a lot of interaction with string instrument specialists in regards to my own cello.

As you say, the instrument is a reproduction and there are millions of violins (some made in the 1700's, some made in 2010!) out there that have "Stradivarius" labels in them in attempts to get people to buy them.

However, it is extremely difficult to verify/appraise stringed instruments-- for example there are many instruments from the current century which look old but are not and there are many instruments from the 1700's which have been very carefully preserved and look almost new. The only way to get a value on the instrument is to take it to a professional luthier (string repair person/string instrument maker) for an appraisal. They will need to look at the different types of wood used, look at the different shape of the instrument's body, the neck, etc. This will probably cost about $ 20-50 but most luthiers will not charge you if they can tell that the instrument is not worth it. Also, bows are often sold separately from the instrument so the bow that is with the instrument probably does not share its origin, though bows are often worth quite a bit of money themselves!

Also, based on the appearance of the instrument in the photos, it is in need of some repairs. A luthier will be able to advise you on the proper steps to be taken to preserve the instrument (either to make the repairs or the best way to store the instrument), regardless of whether or not this is a 1700's violin!

Good Luck with your Violin!

~Diggergrl

This is very sound advice here . . . I'd listen to this advice if I were you

 

[gondiggn]

Never believe a label and don't have it repaired, IMO. I have had many violins with great labels but were old reproductions, although still valuable. Adding or changing labels was done often. If it is rare, I would leave any restoration up to the buyer(if you sold it). Researching the bow usually will not help to much in identifying the violin. PLEASE keep in mind that sometimes bows are worth more than the violin. I have seen bows sold with old violins at auctions that were worth thousands more the the violin. If you are not in a hurry, the best bet is to take several good photos along with details and send to Sotheby's or Christie's. They will usually do a free "pre-auction estimate" for free. They have forms online and direct it to the right department. It takes a few weeks but you will get an expert opinion. I hope it is worth a million bucks.

 

[Mackaydon]

gondiggn,
Welcome to Treasure Net and many thanks for your comments.
I knew nothing about this subject before I read this thread; fascinating.
Don....

 

[BuckleBoy]

One more thing--do NOT put modern strings on this instrument!

If by chance it is old, then it was made to hold catgut strings rather than modern steel or synthetic strings. Putting modern strings on an old instrument could snap the neck off.

 

[treasurehuntr2]

It is a BEAUTIFUL violin...

 

[hmmm]

One more thing--do NOT put modern strings on this instrument!

If by chance it is old, then it was made to hold catgut strings rather than modern steel or synthetic strings. Putting modern strings on an old instrument could snap the neck off.

Thanks for that, unfortunitly i think some one has already done that, the neck is already broken off.
i looked for other marks and found none, but there is a round stamp looking thing with some wrighting on it in the string box, it has a ball of wax looking stuff on one end, it looks realy old.
ill try find a camera and get a photo.

 

[ruck]

WTG! & Good luck with the violin.

 

[diggummup]

it has a ball of wax looking stuff on one end, it looks realy old.
ill try find a camera and get a photo.

It might be bow rosin.

 

[jimb]

Looks real to me! Have it checked out by an expert!