1785 Vermont Copper

[baspinall]

Went to a colonial site with a buddy today. We have been here a few times in the past. Right off the bat Aaron was pulling coppers. Two nice K.G.'s. I came up with all kinds of colonial stuff but the coins eluded me. When were almost ready to roll I hit a copper. Turned out to be a 1785 Vermont.
Not sure what variation it is though?

Brian

 

[crazyjarhead]

Nice old relics and love the Vermont copper, Brian

 

[baspinall]

1785 Ryder 2 VERMONTS variety I am fairly certain after comparing the plow, the date and my crossed eyes

Don

Don is it my vision or is the plow larger on the R3 & 4?

The space between the 1785 and the bottom of the plow is too close on Ryder 3 and I believe on Ryder 4 too far (maybe) but the Ryder 4 has the right sun beam almost pointing at the letter P, on the other varieties it is more off center pointing a bit between the P and U

OK I am cross eyed now as well. I believe you are right on your Ryder 2 variation. Thanks Don

 

[baspinall]

Thanks for all the comments everyone.

 

[kevin11]

Great finds looks like you got a good site.

 

[Kyle PA]

Woohoooo...that 1785 Vermont copper is the find of the day for Treasurenet! AWESOME!

 

[pjroo33]

Woohoooo...that 1785 Vermont copper is the find of the day for Treasurenet! AWESOME!

Agreed!!

 

[wingmaster]

Nice old one there congrats.

 

[hogge]

AWESOME find Brian. I agree! Find of the day! Although worn...it appears to be well struck and centered on a nice planchet. Alot of these weren't. I got real lucky with both of my Vermonts' as they were in great shape. My two were Ryder var. 6 & 7. CONGRATS....and welcome to the Vermont Coppa' Club! Hogge

 

[IAsoldier]

Awesome find indeed.WTG.

 

[Evolution]

Awesome Vermont copper! I am partial to the Vermont coppers...and not just because I found one. Beautiful design. From the landscape scene on the obverse, to the all seeing eye with surrounding rays on the reverse. Congrats! you won't forget that one any time soon.

 

[creeper71]

Holy crap are these the right prices for the ryder 2 VT?

0.010 1785 NGC EF40 R2 5-85-VT-02 RR2.B1a. Landscape/"Vermonts"Smooth chestnut&olive.V-LDS w/mass.break EF40 $7,250
0.010 1785 PCGS VF25 R2 5-85-VT- RR2.B1a. Landscape/"Vermonts"Choc&steel brn.Plan.void at LI & Stella.Vertigris dusting@QUA.Clear date&legends VF25 $2,500
0.010 1785 Fair 2 R2 5-85-VT- RR2.B1a. Landscape/"Vermonts"Smooth light tan w/2 dull rev.punch marks, partial legends. Fair 2 $125

 

[baspinall]

I think I will be taking this coin to a dealer to see what they come up with on the variation. Sure seems like a Ryder 2 but you never know.

 

[pepperj]

Great looking copper, great hunt you both had.

 

[l.cutler]

I think I will be taking this coin to a dealer to see what they come up with on the variation. Sure seems like a Ryder 2 but you never know.

Unless you take it to a colonial specialist they won't be much help. Don in SJ is more knowledgable on colonials than most dealers. I agree on the Ryder 2 attribution, all of the visible detail is a match. Congrats on one of the most interesting colonial coins!

 

[baspinall]

I think I will be taking this coin to a dealer to see what they come up with on the variation. Sure seems like a Ryder 2 but you never know.

Unless you take it to a colonial specialist they won't be much help. Don in SJ is more knowledgable on colonials than most dealers. I agree on the Ryder 2 attribution, all of the visible detail is a match. Congrats on one of the most interesting colonial coins!

I agree!

 

[Venia]

Congrats! VT Copper is one piece I've always wanted to find.

 

[upstatedetector]

Awesome find congratulations! Those were minted about an hour from my house over the Vermont border in Rupert Vermont (I believe that was the only place they were minted). There is a neat article online somewhere about 2 guys that went in search of the original mint and ended up possibly finding it on someone's property being used as a barn (moved from the original spot). The article also makes mention of them looking for the original site of the mint and metal detecting it (I read this a few months ago, I think the article was written in the 90's). I think if you google "Reuben Harmon Jr" (he was the man that ran the mint) and do some searching you can find the article.

Great find and HH

Steve

 

[Brian(upstateNY-Central Fla.)]

Sweet Vermont there wtg

 

[CoinHELP!]

It's actually considered a Post-Colonial coin, here's some color pictures http://coinauctionshelp.com/imitationbritish_vermont1785_1788.html I think your's is a VERMONTS.

 

[Leebo in SC]

Great find