1815

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1815, it was perhaps the pivotal year in which a ferocious political game was waged for control of the Mississippi River, and thus, also the North American continent. In reality the game had begun several years prior but in 1815 an uncertain nation was witnessing the defeat Napoleon and the many revolutions in South America against the Spanish crown. In France the various factions were once again struggling political position and in Spain the outlook was growing bleaker with each passing day. And as for the US, a rare opportunity was finally within its grasp, total control of the Mississippi River, a defined boundary in the west, and the biggest prize of all…..western Florida. Finally the time had come where all three of these critical objectives might come to fruition. These three elements, if they could be obtained, would finally slam the door shut to those tyrannical foreign powers who have continued to threaten the new nation since the day it was born.

To understand the true reality of the situation one has to read beyond the general textbooks that present only the basics. In 1815 Adam’s and Monroe are in thick beginnings of what was one of the most important and risky treaty negations ever to be undertaken by the new country. If they guessed wrong the country could be plunged into another very costly war, one that might have even cost them the country itself. But if they played their cards right their new country would finally be fully established and its borders protected. By all accounts, it was the flame that was worth the candle.

To offer you a bit of insight into just how critical this treaty was, Spain was nearly bankrupt and threatening to sell the Floridas to Britain or Russia. Most people don’t know this but it 100% true, a fact that is documented through, and by, the many correspondences between the negotiating parties. Imagine Great Britain once again in control of the Floridas, or perhaps the reality that Russia and it’s allies were to suddenly gain control of the gulf and straits. Given that Spain had not yet been tossed out of South America and Cuba what menacing degree of alliances that could come from such a sell, Britain and Spain, or Spain or Russia and possibly including the British, at a time when the French could lend us no certain aid. And what about the defeated French, why were all of their Bonapartist political leaders and military leaders arriving on our shores and organizing throughout our lands, the wealth they had brought with equivalent to, if not more, then our own treasury.

Most people don’t realize that immediately after the terms of the Adam’s Onis Treaty had been agreed to and passed onto congress, that the King of Spain issued land grants to several of his subordinates granting them all of the lands of Florida with the hope that the US wouldn’t notice. And had the US not realized this treachery prior to Spain’s signing of the actual Treaty and it’s eventual ratification, the US would never have owned the Floridas. They would have simply given away everything under the terms of the treaty. Clearly, the long and treacherous game was under way. The first Beale deposit was in November 1819, the second in December 1821. When was the treaty signed and eventually ratified? The answers to the Beale mystery reside here.

 

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[bigscoop]

Jackson just wanted to go take Florida, and the entire west by way of canon. Clay openly campaigned against the treaty. And Jefferson felt we could/should have gotten even more in the southwest. Surprisingly, the issue of slavery was even a concern to many. But everyone understood the importance of the Floridas and the Mississippi River, "everyone!" For all practical purposes, whoever owned the Floridas, especially west Florida, and the Mississippi River, likewise controlled the entire country. But Spain continued to hold on to, and claim these possessions as her own, her efforts to secure allies in support of her pursuits reaching out in whatever direction she could twist in her favor. The truly desperate can often pose the greatest danger. You simply cannot believe all of the private and political positioning that was taking place during this most important period of, not only American history, but also world history. Absolutely fascinating.

 

[bigscoop]

I am completely amazed that more of those interested in treasure hunting aren't researching this era. Aside from possibly the Civil War, this was the one era of north American history where literally hundreds of "real" secret causes were taking shape and taking action. Money, money, money, it was everywhere, especially big money. Bank notes and bonds, loans, payoffs, gold, silver, and even precious stones. To nearly every cause and undertaking there existed funding with a great deal of it not being held in banks, but on hand as it might be needed. These are not fantasy tales, but rather the real thing, with a great deal of it being documented in various ways and in various places. Even some of the Spanish Crown Jewels arrived in this country during the era, some of this history is well known and some of these jewels even accounted for today, yet the fate of others still remaining a complete mystery. This era is a treasure hunter's dream come true, as there are thousands of known, and even missing, documents that can provide an endless stream of "real" treasure leads. Find the right unrealized document and by itself it could be worth a fortune.

 

[ECS]

For one thing,the Jeffersonian era ended with President Madison's annual message December 1815.
Madison called for a liberal provision for national defense,new frigates for the navy,a standing army,national aid fot the construction of roads and canals,reestablishment of the NATIONAL BANK,and to encourage manufactures,created protective tariffs.
Also in 1815,"THE HOLY ALLIANCE" was formed by the sovereigns of Russia,Austria,and Prussia,for the purpose of restoring the absolute divine right authority of the thrones which had be so shaken by the French Revolution and Napoleonic Wars.
When the ALLIANCE became the QUADRUPLE ALLIANCE by the accession of France,it listened to the plea of the king of Spain for help in recovering his rebellious colonies in the Americas.
This led to the MONROE DOCTRINE of "America for the Americans"and has been a cornerstone of our foreign policy ever since.

 

[bigscoop]

....today the back of a 127 year old giant has finally been broken to the point that the who and why is "absolutely" and "conclusively" no longer in question. Today has turned out to be a marvelous day, indeed.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

....today the back of a 127 year old giant has finally been broken to the point that the who and why is "absolutely" and "conclusively" no longer in question. Today has turned out to be a marvelous day, indeed.

AND?

 

[bigscoop]

AND?

And we will continue to move forward from here. But as I have always stated, the deposits were real and they were made on the dates provided in the pamphlet. History is a funny thing, most often you have to read the documents/records from all sides before you can really arrive at the truth. The reason for this....part of the truth is documented here, part of it is documented there, and part of it is even documented elsewhere. The old say, "To the victors goes the written history" and that is a very accurate statement.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Carry on...

 

[wacouta]

And we will continue to move forward from here. But as I have always stated, the deposits were real and they were made on the dates provided in the pamphlet. History is a funny thing, most often you have to read the documents/records from all sides before you can really arrive at the truth. The reason for this....part of the truth is documented here, part of it is documented there, and part of it is even documented elsewhere. The old say, "To the victors goes the written history" and that is a very accurate statement.

I've learned more about history looking into the Beale mystery than I ever did in school. Perhaps they should put it in the required curriculum! Yes, I'm serious!

 

[bigscoop]

I've learned more about history looking into the Beale mystery than I ever did in school. Perhaps they should put it in the required curriculum! Yes, I'm serious!

True! I had a history teacher once that let us pick our own individual area of history to study, whatever era/area you wished to explore. This was our entire year of history study. Now that was an interesting class, one you looked forward to attending.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

True! I had a history teacher once that let us pick our own individual area of history to study, whatever era/area you wished to explore. This was our entire year of history study. Now that was an interesting class, one you looked forward to attending.

YEAH! I could "dig" it!

 

[bigscoop]

In 1815 a group of men began to hold regular meetings with two objectives; A) to address the many issues surrounding the French refugees already in this country, and those still arrive. And B) to outline a strategy in regards to the continued supporting and promoting of the many revolutions that were taking place in South America and Mexico against the Spanish Crown. At these meetings there were several key components that included military leaders, bankers, influential merchants, customs agents, various shipping interest, and even a high ranking member of the Catholic Church, etc. All of this is documented if you know where to look for it. This was not KGC or any other super secret organization, in fact, the Spanish government was even aware of this menacing "corporation" and they launched many complaints to the American officials in Washington as to it's existence and it's activities. For a time Washington ignored the complaints but eventually there was even a growing concern in Washington, their fear being that this growing element might actually become a menace and even succeed in their plans of preventing the important treaty talks that were being pursued, as well as other concerns. Many of the corporation's leaders were eventually forced to communicate in code and to register under assumed names, some of these communications detailing the corporation's activities even being intercepted by the Spanish. In 1816 this corporation launched an aggressive and strategically arranged plan which ultimately resulted in the two deposits being made in Bedford County, Virginia, and elsewhere. Note that the timing of these two deposits coincide exactly, and just prior with the date of the signing of the Adam's Onis Treaty and then the date of ratification of this same treaty. The ten-year term was to end in the spring of 1832. For nearly an entire year during 1829 & 1830 many of these same people were in Richmond Virginia attempting to conclude this business before the ten-year term expired. Did they conclude this business to satisfactory means? While one can only assume that they did since there is little evidence to suggest the contrary, however, that little evidence is also somewhat compelling due to it's nature.

PS: There is a huge difference between wild theories based on legends and speculation and those that are based on existing documented evidence and fact. Everything I've just told you is 100% true and the documents do exist to support the theory. To date, I know of no other proposal that even has a grain of actual evidence.

 

[bigscoop]

Franklin,
Believe whatever you're going to believe, and by all means believe whatever sources you want to believe, and by all means interpret them however you want to interpret them, all of this is entirely up to you. Just be careful what you believe in, and why. Me, even after I read about it I want confirmation that the information was presented accurately. Only facts can lead to the truth, all else leads to make believe and fantasy. The information "is" out there, which I have been telling you of for quite some time. Have you even bothered to look beyond local legends? I'm sure you have not.

 

[releventchair]

In 1815 a group of men began to hold regular meetings with two objectives; A) to address the many issues surrounding the French refugees already in this country, and those still arrive. And B) to outline a strategy in regards to the continued supporting and promoting of the many revolutions that were taking place in South America and Mexico against the Spanish Crown. At these meetings there were several key components that included military leaders, bankers, influential merchants, customs agents, various shipping interest, and even a high ranking member of the Catholic Church, etc. All of this is documented if you know where to look for it. This was not KGC or any other super secret organization, in fact, the Spanish government was even aware of this menacing "corporation" and they launched many complaints to the American officials in Washington as to it's existence and it's activities. For ae time Washington ignored the complaints but eventually there was even a growing concern in Washington, their fear being that this growing element might actually become a menace and even succeed in their plans of preventing the important treaty talks that were being pursued, as well as other concerns. Many of the corporation's leaders were eventually forced to communicate in code and to register under assumed names, some of these communications detailing the corporation's activities even being intercepted by the Spanish. In 1816 this corporation launched an aggressive and strategically arranged plan which ultimately resulted in the two deposits being made in Bedford County, Virginia, and elsewhere. Note that the timing of these two deposits coincide exactly, and just prior with the date of the signing of the Adam's Onis Treaty and then the date of ratification of this same treaty. The ten-year term was to end in the spring of 1832. For nearly an entire year during 1829 & 1830 many of these same people were in Richmond Virginia attempting to conclude this business before the ten-year term expired. Did they conclude this business to satisfactory means? While one can only assume that they did since there is little evidence to suggest the contrary, however, that little evidence is also somewhat compelling due to it's nature.

PS: There is a huge difference between wild theories based on legends and speculation and those that are based on existing documented evidence and fact. Everything I've just told you is 100% true and the documents do exist to support the theory. To date, I know of no other proposal that even has a grain of actual evidence.

Seems a wee bit federalistic.

 

[bigscoop]

"Federalism"....perhaps a tad bit. It makes for a pretty interesting study of man/men, a lot of hypocrisy and capitalism in their beliefs, even when those beliefs appear to have been genuine in their own minds. Imagine, slave owners and people involved in the slave trade, land speculators, politicians, investors, merchants, lawyers, etc., all swearing to an oath that promotes liberty and freedom from tyranny for all of humanity. But such were the times. Hard to become an impacting force without being a little tyrannical in your actions and beliefs. Perhaps even harder to ignore the potential wealth as a result of your labors. This was one of Bolivar's greatest concerns, his realizing that perception was a very important element of the process. Jefferson once favored the revolution movement and the use of privateering vessels but a few years later he grew quite weary of it for a number of reasons.

 

[releventchair]

Allright,bigger than threat of succession in n.e..( coffers would have been required.) Gots to do my homework.

 

[bigscoop]

To give you an idea of the size of the coffers that were available to these people, and as to how many there were, there is a letter from a customs agent to Washington Officials detailing how one such vessel had a half-million on board and that purchases and needs presented this individual no problems. It was reports like this that finally started raising the red flags in Washington.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

To give you an idea of the size of the coffers that were available to these people, and as to how many there were, there is a letter from a customs agent to Washington Officials detailing how one such vessel had a half-million on board and that purchases and needs presented this individual no problems. It was reports like this that finally started raising the red flags in Washington.

Then eventually, the MONROE DOCTRINE...

 

[bigscoop]

Then eventually, the MONROE DOCTRINE...

A lot of historians believe that document was aimed specifically at the British, and that was a part of it, but it was also aimed at the insurgents and other factions that had active plans to settle in Florida.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

A lot of historians believe that document was aimed specifically at the British, and that was a part of it, but it was also aimed at the insurgents and other factions that had active plans to settle in Florida.

It was "aimed" at the French, Spanish... ANYONE who tried to "take over America"; MORE than just Florida (already "Spanish")... New Orleans, La. was "going French". MD stopped that "non-sense" on Dec. 2, 1823 or so... "google" The Avalon Projest - Monroe Doctrine; Dec. 2, 1823. HA!