A few whatzits

[swizzle]

Heel Plate

Heel Plate

Copper Jacket With Lead Missing

Copper Jacket With Lead Missing

Watch Fob Chain

Whistle

Whistle

Pant's Clip/Button

Thimble, "Oddfellows" Member's Badge?!?, and U.S. Mail Thingy?!?.

 

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[Gypsy Heart]

The top one is a heel plate....cool finds

 

[swizzle]

I've read several different pieces on this particular style heel plate. Apparently some believe that they are strictly for military use, others believe that they were for civilain use and still others don't believe its a heel plate at all. I've heard it described as an item for a hope chest or a cabinet lock plate or some other girly type item. I'd like to know for sure what it is. I personally thought it was a girly heel plate for tap dancing. Swizzle

 

[ivan salis]

shoe tap (heel)---you also have 2 types of "pants" clips to hold up your pants---up one has teeth and "clamps" the pants in between also you have a diiferant type that has a "hole" permantly attached to the pants--the button was on the "braces" and this faced the hole going in it and sliding upward holding the pants up ---Ivan

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

The two below the heel plate look like the expanded jacket to a copper jacketed lead bullet. Maybe .270 to .30 caliber depending on your fingertip size.

 

[ivan salis]

yep below the heel---two bullets "mushroomed" soft lead hunting tip with the base intact-between the 270 to 30 cal range judging by finger in photo---maybe .270 or .30-30 or .30-06 bullet weight maybe---150 or 180 grain---these are some of the most popular loads in america on a % basis---Ivan

 

[TreasureTales]

Besides the heel plate and the mushroomed bullets, I recognize the thimble in the last photo! LOL, sorry that I can't ID anything for you. You got some interesting things, that's for sure.

 

[CodyCat Borat]

I think the 6th picture might be a religious charm of the 10 commandments.

 

[CRUSADER]

Picture 2 - Bullet
Picture 3 - Watch fob chain
Picture 5 - Ladies Bussell Fitting.

 

[swizzle]

I think the mushroomed bullet is to light to actually be a bullet. Its the same "bullet" just 2 pics. Its completely hollow. I'll try to take better pics later. The 2 pieces with the key hole shaped holes in them are quite small. To small to be good on a pair of britches much bigger then a baby and they are attached to rusty strips of metal. Pic numbers 6 and 7 are actually a whistle. I gotta take you guys some better pics and I'll label the ones that I know. Thanx for the help guys. Swizzle

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

I think the mushroomed bullet is to light to actually be a bullet. Its the same "bullet" just 2 pics. Its completely hollow. I'll try to take better pics later. The 2 pieces with the key hole shaped holes in them are quite small. To small to be good on a pair of britches much bigger then a baby and they are attached to rusty strips of metal. Pic numbers 6 and 7 are actually a whistle. I gotta take you guys some better pics and I'll label the ones that I know. Thanx for the help guys. Swizzle

It's just the copper jacket. The lead "filling" is absent. Happens (sometimes disasterously). It is considered a failure when it does as it is more likely to wound instead of kill/penetrate that way. Also puts it from about 1890 to present.

 

[irbaddadjoe]

Heel plate,watch chain, overall clips, fireplace poker

 

[swizzle]

Also puts it from about 1890 to present.

Well I would have to guess that that is right around the right time line for the area that I'm digging. So for now I'll agree that its a copper jacket. Does anyone have a pic of what a percussion cap looks like. That is what I first thought this thing was. I just wanna see the difference between the 2. Thanx, Swizzle

 

[ivan salis]

I shoot black powder guns even humt with em during "muzzle loader" season primer caps are very small and thin not even close to that in size---what you have is the "mushroomed" outer copper coating of a bullet ---normally the lead and copper are "bonded" together and stay together--- once in a great while you have a defective one--- where the lead comes apart from the copper---bad news ---and a bit dangerous---a screwed up shot to say the least---that what you got there---trust me on this one---Ivan

 

[Old Dog]

The pants or trouser clip is a suspender clip. My Pop (grandpa) had some that were leather and would either hook over a clip like that or a botton sewed inside the waist band of the trousers.

OD

 

[swizzle]

The pants or trouser clip is a suspender clip. My Pop (grandpa) had some that were leather and would either hook over a clip like that or a botton sewed inside the waist band of the trousers.

OD

Which pic are you talking about?

I shoot black powder guns even humt with em during "muzzle loader" season primer caps are very small and thin not even close to that in size---what you have is the "mushroomed" outer copper coating of a bullet ---normally the lead and copper are "bonded" together and stay together--- once in a great while you have a defective one--- where the lead comes apart from the copper---bad news ---and a bit dangerous---a screwed up shot to say the least---that what you got there---trust me on this one---Ivan

I thought that they used a large precussion cap on cannons. I know you guys are right and that its a copper jacket. I just want to get things sorted out right into my mind. I know that the percussion caps for muzzle loaders are tiny, I've fired my own quite a bit. I guess I just assumed that there was more to my little dug trinket especially since I've dug a couple of these just like the one in the pic. Maybe the acidity of the ground here is enough to corode the lead and through the spring thaw the 2 get seperated and thats why I'm not finding the whole bullet. Its definately been a nice conversation piece so far. Thanx for straightening me out. Swizzle

 

[Old Dog]

swizzle,

Photo #9 down from the top

 

[swizzle]

Heel plate,watch chain, overall clips, fireplace poker

If your refering to the last 3 pics as the fireplace poker then its missing some parts. I bought this at a yard sale mixed in with a bunch of maple taps. It's almost exactly the same size and shape as the taps. I've been wondering if it actually had anything to do with tree tapping at all. I've been wondering if someone just threw it in with the taps thinking that it looked like it belonged there. Swizzle

 

[swizzle]

swizzle,

Photo #9 down from the top

Ok I thought you were talking about the little keyhole things. Does it help anyone that the key hole things has a CB stamped on both sides of the key hole? Swizzle

 

[swizzle]

I got a couple more pics for you whatzit lovers out there. Swizzle