A Hallmark Question...

[BuckleBoy]

Hello All,

I found a hallmarked pewter spoon handle yesterday (tiny one). Its hallmark is composed of four rectangles with the following letters in them:


JO HN YA TES


Does anyone have any information for a silversmith or pewter craftsman named John Yates. I'm trying to date the piece, as well as the site itself. A Half Reale (1789) was found at the site, as well as items dating up to the 1920's.


Regards,


Buckleboy

 

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[Angelo]

Maybe here Buckleboy

English electroplate and silver plate: marks and hallmarks of ...
alphabetical glossary of marks and hallmarks of Sheffield silver plate makers, ... J||Y||&||S| gothic, John Yates & Sons - Birmingham - 1879 ...
www.silvercollection.it/SILVERPLATEHALLMARKSJJDUE.html - 57k -

Tony

Look here also. Do the marks resemble the picture on the left of the following link?

http://www.925-1000.com/silverplate_Y.html

UPDATE: Here's some Pewter ones on ebay.

http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/An...emQQcategoryZ28221QQihZ020QQitemZ300191797980

 

[FoxHound0985]

Hey BB,

After doing a little research on your hallmark I found that John Yates was a pewter smith in Birmingham, England from 1820-1840. Great hunt buddy!! Take care and HH!

Fox

 

[BuckleBoy]

Maybe here Buckleboy

English electroplate and silver plate: marks and hallmarks of ...
alphabetical glossary of marks and hallmarks of Sheffield silver plate makers, ... J||Y||&||S| gothic, John Yates & Sons - Birmingham - 1879 ...
www.silvercollection.it/SILVERPLATEHALLMARKSJJDUE.html - 57k -

Tony

Look here also. Do the marks resemble the picture on the left of the following link?

http://www.925-1000.com/silverplate_Y.html

UPDATE: Here's some Pewter ones on ebay.

http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/An...emQQcategoryZ28221QQihZ020QQitemZ300191797980

That's some great information--and thank you for the reply... The letters are simply inset into rectangles on the back of the spoon handle. The whole name appears there, not an abbreviation. It is similar in style to the marks on early American silver pieces (no symbols, lions, anchors, or date letters--just initials). Of course, the fact that there was a John Yates in England means that it could be an English piece. I wish I could find an identical hallmark somewhere--but I'm still looking too.

Foxhound--Could you give me a link to where you found your information?

-Buckleboy

 

[BioProfessor]

If it's an English piece, it will have the assay mark, the maker's mark, the date, and the place it was made. Not just letters to spell out the maker's name. There should be some symbols and letters on the spoon if it is English and silver.

Here's some examples:



Daryl

 

[CRUSADER]

If it's an English piece, it will have the assay mark, the maker's mark, the date, and the place it was made. Not just letters to spell out the maker's name. There should be some symbols and letters on the spoon if it is English and silver.

Here's some examples:

Daryl

He said Pewter not silver, although I don't think its called a hallmark on pewter, just a markers mark.

 

[BioProfessor]

Oops. My mistake. I forgot he said it was pewter when the thread took the silver/silverplate route.

Here is some information on Pewter Marks.

Marks on American Pewter

American pewter may carry one or more of the following types of marks:

Pewterers' Marks - Verification Marks - Ownership Marks - Merchant's Marks

http://metals.about.com/gi/dynamic/...tp://home1.gte.net/vzn05wao/pcca/contents.htm

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Many newcomers to the collecting of antique pewter are puzzled by the nomenclature given to the various marks found on pieces that have come into their possession. Much pewter will be found without markings of any sort, indeed, in some cases, marks found on pieces which should not have marks indicate that they are not "right" and should be treated with grave suspicion!

Marks that are found fall into seven main categories: Touches, ‘Hallmarks’, Town Marks, Quality Marks, Labels, Excise Capacity Marks and Owners Marks.

http://www.collectorcafe.com/article_archive.asp?article=410&id=2306

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Sorry 'bout that. Thanks for the catch.

Daryl