A real American Family Picnic the way they should be held.

[Old Dog]

Bogeymcq,

I think you have every right to feel the way you do about guns. I have no Idea why you do feel the way you do, but that isn't the issue.

Someone asked you where would you be when the lights went out?
I have no doubt you would be under the bed yelling "stop, I surrender!"

This country is here today because like minded folks (who didn't want war) stood up and said enough is enough.

So yes, I support your God given right of free speech,
And as Sherm said, "Today is Flag day."
Go ahead and say what you want to say.

Just please go say it where I don't have to listen. Not today.
Maybe.....

,,, tomorrow.

OD

 

[bogeymcq]

My oldest has been associated with the military
now for almost 10 years. Has served with
several different types of units. EOD,
Special Operations , attended the
military language institute , speaks
French, Spanish and some Arabic. Currently is
working in several Muslim countries.
So proud of him.

Would like to see a day when he will be home,
sitting behind a desk, (he would not enjoy doing that.)
But I don’t think the situation in the world today
will let him do that.

Shermanville, Thank you
My Father served over 21 years of active duty with the Navy then an additional 20 as a cilivian with them. My Hub served with the Air Force. I do appreciate & respect what your son is doing

Bogeymcq,

I think you have every right to feel the way you do about guns. I have no Idea why you do feel the way you do, but that isn't the issue.

Someone asked you where would you be when the lights went out?
I have no doubt you would be under the bed yelling "stop, I surrender!"

No I won't be under the bed yelling "stop, I surrender!" or so I hope More so I am hopeful we all will never be in the position to have to find that out. How I feel about guns I never stated here but I truly do appreciate you saying you respect my right. Thank You My Hub owns one gun, our neighbor owned 20 guns & recently had 14 stolen. So I am not against anyone owning a gun, I am against unresponsible individuals being able to obtain a gun ( whether legally or illegally )

Bogeymcq,
So yes, I support your God given right of free speech,
And as Sherm said, "Today is Flag day."
Go ahead and say what you want to say.

Just please go say it where I don't have to listen. Not today.
Maybe.....

,,, tomorrow.

OD

That I did as I was at the cemetry making sure the Flags we had placed prior where still standing. There I said many Prayers of Thank You & Respect for those . . . no matter what field or parth they had taken . . that are resting where no one who wish not to hear did not have too.

I can only respond to this video on what little I know about it ( not any additional information given )



Here is the rest of the story......

The event has nothing to do with an American Family or a Picnic. The event is "The World's Largest Machine Gun Shoot and Military Gun Show".

In reality, the advertising...er, film was not designed to make you feel more American or safer. Sell sell sell

http://www.geektoys.info/knobcreek/

Thank You Thank You Thank you SWR

I am so glad you were able to clear up this video! Watching it I knew it was not a "family picnic" so to say, I ( obviously myself alone ) had a problem with it being titled that.

Bogart

 

[jeff of pa]

Here is the rest of the story......

The event has nothing to do with an American Family or a Picnic. The event is "The World's Largest Machine Gun Shoot and Military Gun Show".

In reality, the advertising...er, film was not designed to make you feel more American or safer. Sell sell sell

http://www.geektoys.info/knobcreek/

That Dosn't Surprise me.
The Film seemed too Professional
for a Picnic Video.

I still would like to shoot one of those Cannons
& the Double Machine Gun though.

Not against anyone (I Loathe Killing people for Any Purpose)
Just for the Yucks

 

[blurr]

. . . . hhhmmmm

I can only respond to this video on what little I know about it ( not any additional information given )

A bunch of people, variety of ages, non military or police shooting off quite a range of weaponry . . . not impressed , does not make me feel "American" or proud to be one much less does this video make me feel "safer".

Actually it makes me a bit sadder.​

Bogart

Here is the rest of the story......

The event has nothing to do with an American Family or a Picnic. The event is "The World's Largest Machine Gun Shoot and Military Gun Show".

In reality, the advertising...er, film was not designed to make you feel more American or safer. Sell sell sell

http://www.geektoys.info/knobcreek/

Yup, that's what it is called. It was shown on an episode of Mail Call on the history channel. R. Lee Ermy was quite "enthused" with all of those machineguns!!

John

 

[Old Dog]

After looking at the video again.

I think I am an optimist,
I didn't try to read into (just what I saw) the video any thing other than what I saw.

A group of people shooting several different types of arms. and enjoying themselves in a huge way. Safety was observed . If it turns out to be a sales ploy .... So What. I am invited to many conventions and demos each year to do essentially the same thing with my own product. I don't always attend, but not because I feel there is something wrong with the idea.

To put these firearms in the public view for scrutiny and discussion is very possibly the best thing that could have come from this video.
Do I think they should be banned?... No.
Do I think they should be controlled?... No
Only if they are banned or restricted world wide. Not even for military use.

I am not an anarchist, in this regard I am a libertarian.
I think they should be incouraged and the use of them, and the responsibility involved a mandatory part of daily life.

If everybody carried a firearm and knew how to use it responsibly, the overall crime rate in this country would plummet! Who would want to take the chance? Most criminals are inherently cowards. It would also stop a great amount of other things such as the influx of the criminal element coming in from other countries over an unprotected border.

IMO

OD

 

[blurr]

Thank You Thank You Thank you SWR

I am so glad you were able to clear up this video! Watching it I knew it was not a "family picnic" so to say, I ( obviously myself alone ) had a problem with it being titled that.

Bogart

Bogart,

Your post was a clear responce to the "film" and the name of this thread, with no anti-gun message. I agree with you 100%.

Had the name of the thread been titled "Tons of Guns" or "Machines Guns For Rent" you probably wouldn't have even posted. The title would have been true to the event viewed.

I am somewhat appalled (but not surprised) at the personal insults allowed. Yet another black-eye for us gun owners.

The video made her "sad", and wasn't impressed by all of those people shooting off an array of weapons. Hmm, not exactly a pro-gun reply is it? I could care less about that video (other than the fact that I would love to visit the range when that shoot happens), but come on. I'm certainly not appalled, and definitely surprised at the notion that she was insulted. Gun owners rights something that I take seriously. If I misread what this is all about, please enlighten me. There aren't any black eyes in this room swr.

John

 

[DR]

he video made her "sad", and wasn't impressed by all of those people shooting off an array of weapons. Hmm, not exactly a pro-gun reply is it? I could care less about that video (other than the fact that I would love to visit the range when that shoot happens), but come on. I'm certainly not appalled, and definitely surprised at the notion that she was insulted. Gun owners rights something that I take seriously. If I misread what this is all about, please enlighten me. There aren't any black eyes in this room swr.

What you said John.
First off that was a video showing a bunch of people having good clean fun.
Nothing more. The so called Society of today, Which should read "politically correct society" is bound and determined to call good old red blooded American Past times like shooting off a bunch of ammo as evil. Well it isn't and as long as I live I'll be glad to remind the elitist liberal tofu eaters of that fact.
Second, the profound ignorance shown by the above mentioned tofu eaters of our 2nd amendment right guaranteed by the US constitution never ceases to amaze me.
We keep and bear arms to remind our government that they had better serve us, the citizens of this great land, not rule us.
History of this world is littered with tyrannical governments disarming the people as a prelude to oppressing them.
Finally, remember those that beat their swords into plows, will plow for those who don't.

 

[blurr]

he video made her "sad", and wasn't impressed by all of those people shooting off an array of weapons. Hmm, not exactly a pro-gun reply is it? I could care less about that video (other than the fact that I would love to visit the range when that shoot happens), but come on. I'm certainly not appalled, and definitely surprised at the notion that she was insulted. Gun owners rights something that I take seriously. If I misread what this is all about, please enlighten me. There aren't any black eyes in this room swr.

What you said John.
First off that was a video showing a bunch of people having good clean fun.
Nothing more. The so called Society of today, Which should read "politically correct society" is bound and determined to call good old red blooded American Past times like shooting off a bunch of ammo as evil. Well it isn't and as long as I live I'll be glad to remind the elitist liberal tofu eaters of that fact.
Second, the profound ignorance shown by the above mentioned tofu eaters of our 2nd amendment right guaranteed by the US constitution never ceases to amaze me.
We keep and bear arms to remind our government that they had better serve us, the citizens of this great land, not rule us.
History of this world is littered with tyrannical governments disarming the people as a prelude to oppressing them.
Finally, remember those that beat their swords into plows, will plow for those who don't.

You said it better

John

 

[blurr]

Me thinks these guys are pounding their chest so hard with pride, they haven't even taken the time to read (or comprehend) the entire thread.

Let's keep this friendly, but I just don't see what was wrong with the video. As a gun owner, The more people know about guns, gun sports and so on is only a good thing. The people who brought those machineguns to the range went through a lott of red tape in order to even own them. I only saw excitement and happiness in the eyes of the people in the video. I guess I just don't understand why it would make someone "sad" to see it. Maybe I don't comprehend the "entire" thread. Please clue me in on what you think I should understand. No chest thumping, just understanding.

John

John

 

[blurr]

Let's keep this friendly, but I just don't see what was wrong with the video. As a gun owner, The more people know about guns, gun sports and so on is only a good thing. The people who brought those machineguns to the range went through a lott of red tape in order to even own them. I only saw excitement and happiness in the eyes of the people in the video. I guess I just don't understand why it would make someone "sad" to see it. Maybe I don't comprehend the "entire" thread. Please clue me in on what you think I should understand. No chest thumping, just understanding.

Nothing is wrong with the video. The comments made were about the title of the thread. The title of this thread is false to the content of the video, as the video has nothing to do with "A real American Family Picnic". Myself, I expected to see a real American Family doing picnic stuffs, not a advertisement/documentary for The World's Largest Machine Gun Shoot and Military Gun Show.

The poster that made the original comments is a gun owner, I am a gun owner (ex-FFL holder) and we both have the same opinion about the TITLE of the thread...it is misleading. Gun control was NEVER mentioned, except by those tossing out insults, chest pounding and so forth.

Keeping it friendly was thrown out of the window early on with the goose stepping and hiding under the bed comments. That was totally uncalled for. Suppress one freedom (speech) by intimidation to exercise another freedom (gun ownership) is never a pretty sight.

I know enough not to argue with you, but your take on this is way out of whack.

John

 

[DR]

SWR, this is a quote from your post.

Gun control was NEVER mentioned, except by those tossing out insults, chest pounding and so forth.

You are in error to say that.
Now here is the quote that in my estimation was indeed the first reference to the gun control issue on this thread.

A bunch of people, variety of ages, non military or police shooting off quite a range of weaponry . . .

.
This quote was made by bogymcq.
The key here is the part "non military or police".
The entire debate about the 2nd amendment going on in this country centers around only 2 points.
Is it an individual right or is it a collective right.
The collectivists argue that only the police, the military and the national guard should have arms.
The individualists argue it is an individual right.
To myself and I would like to think anyone who holds their right to keep and bear arms sacred, the remark made by bogymcq was indeed an endorsement of the collectivist view of the amendment thereby bringing up the gun control issue in the thread.
DR

 

[Old Dog]

In my 40 Plus years of Gun ownership, I will say that there are some criminal cases that come to mind that warrent a serious look at the type of guns and weaponry that should be allowed in the public.
On the other hand I can see a definite need for law enforcement to keep their head above water in their daily fight to JUST STAY ALIVE.

I have no problem with the requirements of a special licence to own or collect the types of small arms seen in the video, I pass all of the above right down to the special safe to store them in.

The issue is not that guns cause crime
The issue is that some people (About 14 percent ) want me to give all my guns and the right to Carry, use and etc... to the government. who then at any time will be able to take anything else they want because I now have no way to protect myself.
Not Happening, Sorry.
Among others who would try the same thing are the very criminals who would scoff at any attempts to take all firearms from a lawabiding public.

All I can say is,
Give it your best shot ,
I will preach freedom first, after that my guns can be pried from my cold dead fingers.

I would not be surprised at how many feel the same way.

The ball is in your court

OD

Get my drift?

 

[TreasureTales]

Me thinks these guys are pounding their chest so hard with pride, they haven't even taken the time to read (or comprehend) the entire thread.

There are some real knuckle draggers here, but they aren't the ones who liked the video. The title of the thread was a little attempt at humor, I'm sure. Try growing a....sense of humor.

Don't like guns? Fine, don't touch them. But don't take mine away. And don't come crying to me if/when you need someone to defend you. Try using or preserving your Constitutional rights when you don't have any guns to defend those rights.

I seldom get offended by a thread title, I get offended by those who do. What a nation of overly sensitive, hairsplitting wimps we have become. Disgusting.

 

[ivan salis]

I own guns and I have used guns in a totally lawful manner--in defense of my person --and in aiding my elderly next door neighbors fend off a attempted home invasion type robbery just recently---I also am a avid hunter and like "fresh" food so I kill my own meat during the legal hunting seasons and skin and eat wild game animals --like deer and hogs and wild turkey's---while not in the "military" offically being a "american merchant seaman"--- I did work aboard ships hauling ammo in the first gulf war and hauled jet fuel on a tanker during the second gulf war ---being that I was "living in and around" the war zone and could get caught up in the fighting at any moment ---since a terrorist could attempt to attack our vessel poising as a "freindly" local fishing ship till the last minute---we had a small military "security" crew onboard ---and when they "practiced" with their weapons ---I joined in ------I said if they disable or kill you folks their not stopping their attack on us just because I'm a so called civilian---so its I best learn to use any and everything you got that can stop them ---so that I can if needed to defend myself---before I finished my tour of duty the guys told me that they were impressed with my gunnery skills esp with the M 14 and maw duce (.50 cal)----learn to use all the weapons you can both military and civilian---you never know when you may need to know how to use one someday to save the life of someone you love or even yourself--- may that day never come I pray for your sake --- the killing of another "person" is no game--- its as serious as things get--- life and death--- and as such to protect the good from the bad --I will do my duty as a man and will shoot to kill and will lose no sleep over it either because I know I've done the right thing----Ivan

 

[SHERMANVILLE ILLINOIS]

In this corner:



And in this corner:







Play nice folks.


all have a good un...........
SHERMANVILLE

 

[ivan salis]

I do not "chest pound" ---as in see (braggard) a vain and shallow show of "manhood"-----I have no need to get "prove" anything to anyone----I very simply am who and what I am ---an american gunowner---willing to use my "guns" to protect--myself and loved ones and innocent others ---from murderers - rapist--.robbers-- and assult that evil spirited bad folks do on a daily basis to good folks---and thats not chest pounding---its a fact (ask my elderly neighbors)---Ivan

 

[weldermark]

knobcreek KY,it's awesome!!!


Mark

 

[TreasureTales]

SWR, I'm not pounding my chest. If I did so, I'd have some seriously bruised mammaries. So you can drop the chest-pounding analogy. Besides, I prefer to think of my statements as hip-handing rather than chest-pounding.