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Phantasman

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I purchased the Ace 250 a week ago, planted a garden, and am getting used to using the stock coil.

I ordered the Sniper coil and it will be delivered in about a week. I understand about the Sniper for trashy areas and it probably will be for shallow hunting (2 to 3 inches at most).

But I am trying to use the Ace for cache hunting. Will the bigger coil fulfill that objective? Has anyone here used the larger coil and does it increase depth over the stock coil that much? Will it pick up cache and relics better than the stock coil? Is it worth the investment?

Thanks for the input.

Dan
 
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I would say that for cache hunting you would need a different type of machine than an Ace 250. I'm not sure which, but I'm sure someone else will chime in.
 
Thanks for the response.

I guess my thinking is, that in the all metal mode with a deeper coil, I could pick up a cache by getting used to the activity of the Ace 250s sound and display using a test cache (mason jar, etc.). Though "cache" is not listed in the display, shouldn't the signal still be there? I would think the larger coil would pick up larger (than coins) items.

Sounds good on paper, anyways.
 
Phantasman said:
Thanks for the response.

I guess my thinking is, that in the all metal mode with a deeper coil, I could pick up a cache by getting used to the activity of the Ace 250s sound and display using a test cache (mason jar, etc.). Though "cache" is not listed in the display, shouldn't the signal still be there? I would think the larger coil would pick up larger (than coins) items.

Sounds good on paper, anyways.

Well, one reason I don't like the Ace 250, or any Garrett for that matter when it comes to those kinds of signals is that it only gives yes or no signals... Meaning that if it beeps that is a yes and if it doesn't beep then that would be a no in reference to a good target. It doesn't give you an 'iffy' signal like other machines might.

But when it comes to any kind of cache, many of them can be very deep and the Ace just doesn't have the depth capabilities that other machines have. I use a high-end minelab explorer and I would not feel comfortable using it to find a buried cache of coins either.

I'm not saying you can't find caches with it, I'm just saying there are better machines out there for the job.
 
I don't think the Ace is deep enough for cache hunting. Most cache hunters use 2 box units or top end machines that can really go deep. It depends on exactly what you need. A shallow fruit jar at 10" you might be OK, deeper than that ???? Good luck
Greg
 
I have an ACE 250 with the standard coil. My two cents are pretty basic.......a 250 can easily detect a soda can a good distance. I've raised my coil about 2+ feet over a buried can with a signal. Finding a cache is entirely possible, the issue is how deep a target would you want to hit and how you would be able to tell apart a jar full of coins from other large metal objects, cans, pipes, etc. There is no question in my mind that a 250 with a stock coil could pick up a jar full of coins buried almost two feet in its all metal mode.
 
Ricardo_NY1 said:
I have an ACE 250 with the standard coil. My two cents are pretty basic.......a 250 can easily detect a soda can a good distance. I've raised my coil about 2+ feet over a buried can with a signal. Finding a cache is entirely possible, the issue is how deep a target would you want to hit and how you would be able to tell apart a jar full of coins from other large metal objects, cans, pipes, etc. There is no question in my mind that a 250 with a stock coil could pick up a jar full of coins buried almost two feet in its all metal mode.

2+ feet? C'mon now! Get realistic here. Next you will be telling me that it can pick up silver dimes at a foot deep!
 
I have the 250 also and have the larger coil coming. Using the standard coil I have experienced what Ricardo was saying about lifting the coil a huge amount over the target (being a can) and still getting a signal. I sometimes use this technique to determine if it is a large object or a coin, which is what I am most after. If it rings as a dime which sometimes cans will, I lift up the coil about a foot or so off the ground and swing and it still gives me a signal, then I know it is a cna or some other object than what the target display is telling me. The 250 does go deep with larger objects but with smaller ones like just a coin, you are looking at around 6 or so inches.
Now I have not tried to hunt a cache and do not even know how to begin to (research and stuff) but I think the 250 is more for relics and coins definately and it might come up with a cache but taht depends on how deep and what it was buried in (large metal box or coffee can, etc.)
USe the 250 for coins, jewelry and relics and have fun with it. Try burying a mason jar full of coins at 6 inches, 1 foot, 2 feet and see what it can do. Others here I'm sure will tell you which machines are better suited for cache hunting.
Again, just my opinion on this topic.

HH

Funkman
 
OK, I get what you are all saying, and maybe I should be more specific.

I have the opportunity to hunt some old abandoned farmhouses in my area. This is property my family recently inherited. Stories are passed that the residents (deceased) used to hide their money. These people were elderly, so I can't see them excavating a three foot fissure into which to drop their stash. It may be in floorboards, walls and buried in the ground, if anything. I just thought it might be a good idea to at least "give it a shot". I was just wondering if the 250 COULD find a cache if it tripped over it and if the larger coil increases the probability of finding one. If not, I'll assume I may find some coins and maybe some lost trinkets.

Dan
 
You hit a lot of truth right there, Dan. There are two kinds of hidden wealth: Stashes and Caches. Much, if not most, of the loot people like your relations hide is not buried deeply in holes. Rather, it is "squirreled away," where it can be retrieved added to and taken away from easily. People want to touch and see their treasures, not bury them away from sight. In other words, this is what we're talking about when we say "stash."

The burying of troves normally involves bigger sums of loot and is often reserved for those hoards someone wants to sequester away until a time when they come back to retrieve it ALL at once. I think of moonshiners caches in this context, which were often buried, although not usually more than a forearms depth. This is rightly what we think of as a cache. While the word cache is loosley used to encompass the whole range of possibilites for once-hidden money, I think it's key to understanding the Ways of Hiding if we make this distinction.

Finally, keep in mind that most buried money isn't forgotten - contrary to popular belief. The person who hid it, didn't do so just so they could forget about it. This is not lost money, nor is it the subject of absent-mindedness (unless the hider goes mad somewhere along the line). It is most often where we can luck up on it because some sort of catastrophe precedes it's being left behind. That is a distinction that many overlook in their pursuit of such things. So, be thorough in your search, assume very little and especially take nothing for granted.

I was just wondering if the 250 COULD find a cache if it tripped over it and if the larger coil increases the probability of finding one. If not, I'll assume I may find some coins and maybe some lost trinkets.
For the sort of folks were talking about here, I wouldn't be immediately looking for a deeply buried stash in the first place. In other conversations we've shared with you , it was obvious that these weren't eccentric, miserly hermits or pirates, people who were reputed to have piles of money. Rather, they were simply like most people of their time - they kept a "stash" of coins and a few bills, safely put aside.

I'd be more interested in learning to hunt for such things INSIDE the old houses you say are there. All the places you can reach to, high and low are likely spots. An exception is that men tended to hide their stashes in the wood or tool sheds or other outbuildings, as momma rarely went out to there. Chicken coops were not uncommon places either, often for women, since it was their job to tend the barnyard flock. These are the LIKLIEST place to start your search, in my estimation.

Will the large coil on your ace 250 find a buried cache? Probably, but it wont look like money. It will, on the other hand, look like a large piece of iron or tin. Think small metal box, mason jar lid, etc. Some of the common places to put a stash below ground is under or at the foot of steps/stairs, at the corner footing pillars of houses, near wells or old trees, around kitchen gardens, behind sheds or outbuildings and under fence posts. Think someplace where scrabbling in the dirt could be done quickly without attracting undue attention.

In fact, do your best to think like these people. And be patient.

Isn't this a fun adventure??
 
Wow. Good advice. Common sense, but non-the-less good advice. I think the house has been searched. But it never hurts to make sure. Adventure? Yes, it is, like playing RPG games on the computer (which I love). Thanks, Dahut. I'll keep ya'll up to date.

Dan
 
If you do have the time and patience then turn the ace into all metal and dig every signal. It will take a while, but eventually you will know if there are any caches out there.

For me though, I wouldn't have the patience to dig it all, but some people do.

Good luck in your search!
 
For me though, I wouldn't have the patience to dig it all, but some people do.


My young friend, when you get to be 57, patience is about all you have left.

Thanks for the input. ;) ;D
 
Not exactly on topic but I use and Ace 250 to hunt a salt beach and with the stock coil eight was now uncommon.
With the 9X12 coil finding coin, and copper washers, at twelve inches...well yes it can.
I’m not really sure but if it’ll do this on a salt beach than in less mineralized soil, why not?
 
ok, heres my 2 cents. i would agree with bsco that there are better machines available for the job. the 250 is a great little inexpensive coin shooter but it doesn't do it all. it lacks the extreme depth you would be looking for in a serious cache hunting machine. in my experience with larger search coils, i have found the extra depth to be minimal. i think the real advantage to a large coil is the larger footprint of the coil, that covers more area per swing. say you are doing a corn field with very little trash. thats a lot of ground to cover, and the large coil helps you to cover more ground faster. it will provide more depth, but not enough to get exited about in my opinion. keep in mind the big coil is pretty much useless in trashy environments and is harder to pinpoint with. if it were me, i would pass on it. i think you will find that small coil to be way more usefull. just my opinion. ;)
 
Wow. Good advice. Common sense, but non-the-less good advice.
And often enough most often overlooked. As in most things, complication is not needed - good sense is.

I think the house has been searched. But it never hurts to make sure.
Of course without knowing who or how, there is no reason to know they found anything. Take a walk around your own house and examine it for places to hide things. I suspect you'll get tired of doing so before you run out of places.

Will you find anything, Dan? Only one way for any of us to know...
 
bscofield6 said:
Ricardo_NY1 said:
I have an ACE 250 with the standard coil. My two cents are pretty basic.......a 250 can easily detect a soda can a good distance. I've raised my coil about 2+ feet over a buried can with a signal. Finding a cache is entirely possible, the issue is how deep a target would you want to hit and how you would be able to tell apart a jar full of coins from other large metal objects, cans, pipes, etc. There is no question in my mind that a 250 with a stock coil could pick up a jar full of coins buried almost two feet in its all metal mode.

2+ feet? C'mon now! Get realistic here. Next you will be telling me that it can pick up silver dimes at a foot deep!

Silver dimes about 6 1/2 to 7 inches on 5 bars on air..........I found one the other day at a little over 7...........a soda can at 2+ feet at 7 bars. I tried it and measured it.
 
Ricardo_NY1 said:
bscofield6 said:
Ricardo_NY1 said:
I have an ACE 250 with the standard coil. My two cents are pretty basic.......a 250 can easily detect a soda can a good distance. I've raised my coil about 2+ feet over a buried can with a signal. Finding a cache is entirely possible, the issue is how deep a target would you want to hit and how you would be able to tell apart a jar full of coins from other large metal objects, cans, pipes, etc. There is no question in my mind that a 250 with a stock coil could pick up a jar full of coins buried almost two feet in its all metal mode.

2+ feet? C'mon now! Get realistic here. Next you will be telling me that it can pick up silver dimes at a foot deep!

Silver dimes about 6 1/2 to 7 inches on 5 bars on air..........I found one the other day at a little over 7...........a soda can at 2+ feet at 7 bars. I tried it and measured it.
I hate digging 2 feet just to find a beer can. Yes, its true. I guess depth is not always good. Is there any way to prevent all this digging for aluminum cans?
 
Good to hear I'm not the only one finding a soda can at 2 feet with the 250..........I know I'm not crazy, I actually grabbed a can of soup a minute ago and got a signal at 20 inches............4 inches short of 2 feet. I do as others have said.......if the detector says 8 inches or 6 or whatever it may indicate........if I don't find the coin within a few inches + of that reading, I leave it alone, as it is probably a bigger, deeper object. I've learned my lesson with cans, but once in a while I will dig and dig until I find the target just for the heck of it or out of curiosity.
 
Have dug soda cans with the large coil at the beach at 2FT or more with the Ace 250. It will get large objects deep. Is it the best detector for cache hunting probably not. Would it find a jar of coins at 2 foot or less you bet it would.
 

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