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Hi when I brought my first MD I did so in a hurry got myself a cheap Chinese thing although it worked it wasn't what I am looking for. So after much checking things out. I my conclusions are these

1.just because it cost hundreds of dollars/pounds doesent mean instant big finds.
2.In the hands of an expert better results would be gained with a cheaper MD than a novice with a expensive one.

3.What ever the machine they all have flaws.
4.The learning curve on an expensive MD is at least 20/40 hours in field.
5.any md user that claims to know everything is fooling themselves.
6.don't believe everything you read.
7.all machines even the branded ones had to by definition be new to the market and hence had to prove their worth over time.
8.A dedicated PI MD is best for the beach.
9Just because a particular company has produced great machines in the past doesn't mean the next one they do will be.

10The componets of an expensive MD cant cost what they charge so a good name=more cost.

11 In the past there was a lot more to find so statistically an given MD would have had a good start.

12allways abide by the MD rules.
13metal detecting is made up of five parts 1.dedication 2.research 3.MD model 4.location 5.luck

14just put this in because I didn't want to end on 13 unlucky and all that.
 
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All good and sound, except possibly #11.

I believe that more coins are being lost today than in early years. The supply is constantly replentishing itself.

As far as silver coins go, yep, there are very few being lost today.


Hey, if the Chinese one didn't pan out, start over with the Garrett Ace 250. Pretty good all around, except I do hear it has trouble with wet sand. Most of the beginners here have them, and I haven't heard much griping at all.

Nashoba and I made it out together a couple weeks ago, it was the first time I went head to head with an Ace. Very impressive for a starter detector!
 
I think you've figured things out fairly well. I would say that with the bigger name companies and the more advanced models part of what you/we are paying for is the engineering and development, not just the name.

I'd suggest too, that if you are looking for a good, usable machine that will find goodies, don't want to spend too much, and can get along with a beep and dig machine rather than a target id machine, give the various Tesoro machines a good look. Their Silver Umax is a good basic machine, easy to learn and there are a bunch of umax coils that will fit it. For a bit more money their Cibola is very useable and there are a bunch of coils that fit it as well. However, the earlier umax coils do not fit the Cibola and the other HOT (as they call them) machines. Light weight 1 9volt battery and lifetime warranties are a plus as well.

No, I'm not a Tesoro dealer, but have several as well as a White's MXT, and did have a Garrett 1250. so I'm not married to any brand exclusively. At any rate, remember this is a hobby so keep it FUN!
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And this is just a thought, but once a company gets a good foothold in the market it becomes a dominant machine wether it works better or not. Brand loyalty exists in every market and I think, by reading a lot of posts on this forum this is VERY true of metal detectors and their users.

And there is one inherent variable that no company can control. Electronic components used in modern detectors all have a limited shelf life and will eventually fail. We users are often not very nice to our machines speeding them along to failure before their times.

I think that each major brand has its good and bad points. Depending on who you ask, where they have used the machines, how they have used the machines etc. In my humble opinion you have to do your own research and buy the machine that seems to work best for you.
 
Im not sure if this is a query or just rumination, but allow me to examine your conclusions:

1. Just because it cost hundreds of dollars/pounds doesent mean instant big finds.
True.
Functional and competent is whats needed. Beyond that, ease of use, rugged and well-backed are next in importance.
Finally, it depends on YOU to understand whats happening. And I dont just mean detector sounds. What about hunt environment, trash suites, ground minerals, swing discipline? Do you have all that - and more - down pat?

2.In the hands of an expert better results would be gained with a cheaper MD than a novice with a expensive one.
False.
Even an expert can do little with junk in his hands and nearly all expensive detectors have preset programs that take advantage of their attributes. These are the best of times to be a beginner.

3.What ever the machine, they all have flaws.
False (but Im eliminating the "junkers" from this response).
Let's stick with quality, proven designs. I have many detectors that fit this description and none of them are flawed. Each is better at something or another, better suited perhaps to given tasks. But not flawed.

4.The learning curve on an expensive MD is at least 20/40 hours in field.
Trick question.
The learning time on ANY detector is that much or more.

5. Any md user that claims to know everything is fooling themselves.
True.
Hopefully, they aren't fooling you, as well.

6. Don't believe everything you read.
True.
Conversely, not everything you read is false - dont make that mistake, either.
Many detectorists are not only experienced, but well versed and able to write well.
Learn to seek them out... start with the Sandman.

7. All machines, even the branded ones, had to, by definition, be new to the market and hence had to prove their worth over time.
True.
Some come from good lineage, on the other hand, so there is little doubt that they will perform as expected. This is one good reason why it pays to go with a reputable company, one that has been in the business for awhile.

8.A dedicated PI MD is best for the beach.
False.
PI's are at their best in the cleaner environment of the open ocean.
PI's have depth, but they are poor discriminators. Raw depth is rarely an end-all in itself. Dont believe for a minute that it pays to simply dig everything - at the end of the day a pouch full of rusted iron is still very heavy, especially when compared to the finds of a guy who has one of the "discriminators."

But let's be very careful here about the use of the word 'discrimination.' Let me explain.

At the beach, true iron discernment is really what is wanted - otherwise you move a lot of sand for sparkler wire and hair pins.
However, most of the desirable targets are lower in conductivity, coming near to iron sometimes. Certainly as low as foil. Beach conditions vary and have an effect, to a degree, so there are no absolutes.
But what is wanted is the ability to know when its iron, while retaining the benefits of sensitivity to the lowest conductivity found among the good targets, especially gold. This is why the Excalibers are so popular; they offer both great iron discernment and retain sensitivity to the lower conductive gold.

9. Just because a particular company has produced great machines in the past doesn't mean the next one they do will be.
True.
However, it is your best assurance. See 7, above.

10. The components of an expensive MD cant cost what they charge, so a good name = more cost.
False.
There is far more involved in making a detector than slapping a bunch of common components together. White's, for example, has a huge R&D budget and they acutally develop the technologies used in their product line; guess how they afford that? By selling detectors at a profit and recouping those development costs. Wanna guess who benefits from that? YOU DO! Cost is only one part of the value equation.

11. In the past, there was a lot more to find, so statistically a given MD would have had a good start.
True and False.
Back when silver coins were common and there were only bottle caps to contend with, this probably applied - back then it seemed every find was a good coin or relic. Much of that easy stuff has been picked up by now. So, yes, it seemed more good stuff was there to be found and thus cement the reputation of a detector. Yet, detectors back then were not the "turn on and go" wonder machines we have now. They were heavy, awkward and quite cranky by comparison to today's gear.

But, there are statistically more people today than in the past, and more of them than ever have middle class incomes. They get around more, too, than ever before - doing more with their leisure dollars and time. There is also far more common trash than back then, too. What this means is that detector requirements have actually changed since the beginning.
Discrimination, target separation, auto ground cancelling, ease of use, sensitivity - all of these are MUCH better now.

12. Always abide by the MD rules.
True. This one is self explanatory, but many bend them on occasion.

13. Metal detecting is made up of five parts:
1. dedication
2. research
3. MD model
4. location
5. luck

Good enough. GO with these and you'll be alright.
 

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