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[Shortstack]

Mr. lamar, I obviously misspoke in my last post. We DO know how to do it the problem is we don't know how to do it under SUSTAINED operation. Plus, the amount of energy required to produce a small fusion reaction is not workable. Putting in more energy than we'd get OUT is not economical or smart.

 

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[mrs.oroblanco]

I know what it is called, and I know who supposedly has done it (including the "accidental" doing of it), but, it is all anecdotal - which means it was not done under any type of controls, they did not know if there was gold in the lead, and, there is no verification from beginning to end.

So, scientifically, it is not proven, so it is anecdotal.



B

 

[lamar]

I know what it is called, and I know who supposedly has done it (including the "accidental" doing of it), but, it is all anecdotal - which means it was not done under any type of controls, they did not know if there was gold in the lead, and, there is no verification from beginning to end.

So, scientifically, it is not proven, so it is anecdotal.



B

Dear mrs.oroblanco;
If you already knew, then why did you ask? Also, the lead was in a pure state and yes, the physicists were trying to settle out a theory that it was possible to transmutate lead into gold. Scientists have also transmutated several other metals into gold, including mercury. And of course it's proven. Also, it doesn't matter one whit whether a discovery was intentional or accidental, the end results are the same, in either case.

Columbus was trying to find India when he sailed to the Americas, but this doesn't make his discovery any less of an achievement, nor does it mean that it did not happen. Let's say that I was trying make a better cup of tea and in doing so, I accidentally stumbled across a cure for cancer. Would my chance discovery make the discovery itself any less viable? Of course not!

And yes, scientifically it HAS been proven, using various methods and processes. And also, I am completely baffled by your unreasonable observation that the lead may have been less than pure before transmutation. I honestly don't know what sort of physicists you think these people are, but they are playing with NUCLEAR REACTORS! These toys are inherently DANGEROUS if the safety tips are not followed fairly closely, therefore one may assume that they read the blurb on the checklist that states "Please make sure that all metals are in a pure state before sticking them into the reactor. Bambi depends on us." before proceeding with the experiment.

They aren't using a kid's home chemistry set. They are using equipment which costs BILLIONS of dollars and handling materials which have an effective kill radius of 5 to 10 miles. So yes, it can be pretty well assumed that they weren't sticking old fishing weights into the reactor. Sometimes I think that you like to argue merely for the sake of arguing.
Your friend;
LAMAR

 

[lamar]

Mr. lamar, I obviously misspoke in my last post. We DO know how to do it the problem is we don't know how to do it under SUSTAINED operation. Plus, the amount of energy required to produce a small fusion reaction is not workable. Putting in more energy than we'd get OUT is not economical or smart.

Dear Shortstack;
Like I previously posted, there are several fusion reactors running on a continual basis now. The principle goal of these reactors is to gauge the feasibly of all aspects of fusion power BEFORE investing an unGodly sum of money into something which may have dire consequences in our future.

For instance, the disposal of the waste is one consideration and they are handling all fusion reactor waste in miniscule quantities in order to better outline large-scale disposal methods and techniques.

The process by which nuclear fusion reactors is being tested came about as a direct result of what NOT to do when the world first started building fission reactors. The technology went from the labratory into full-scale production, with very little incremental studies in between.

This, of course led to all sorts of unforeseen difficulties which naturally led to a large-scale disaster, several near misses, close calls, etc. Had the commerical concerns utilized small to large scale models before building fully capable fission reactors, most if not all, of those unforeseen problems would have been discovered during the early stages and resolved with much less danger to mankind and the environment.

At this moment, there are 3 fusion reactors online throughout the world on a continual basis and another two reactors are being used on a stop-start basis. Every one of these reactors was designed and built for the sole purpose of better understanding the engineering difficulties and designing better ways to resolve them.

Nuclear fusion was known about in 1946 yet nuclear fission was a much cheaper alternative at the time, at least so it seemed to be on the surface. Once again, all of the unforeseen problems cannot be measured solely in dollars, but they were severe enough to cause the nuclear community to proceed with MUCH more caution towards new reactor technolgies.
Your friend;
LAMAR

 

[Shortstack]

lamar, that snide comment you wrote to Mrs. O in your last post is UNCALLED FOR. And for your information, Columbus did not discover America, he discovered a bunch of islands down Bahama way. Anyway, to discover someplace implies that it was unknown or lost. There were several explorers who came to North America long before Columbus "sailed the ocean blue in 14 hundred and ninety-two."

The only fusion reaction in labs has been by using several lasers focused on a single point to cause a fusion reaction. I don't know what you've been drinking in your coffee tonight, but there are no fusion reactors in the world; they are F-I-S-S-I-O-N reactors. You know, the same type of reaction that produced our atom bombs only under controlled use. Sort of like a massive leakdown capacitor drains off electrical power. The control rods allow the radiant energy to be controlled for the purpose of turning water into steam for turning a turbine.

But, given that we have our own flying saucers, there probably ARE fusion reactors encased in old De Lorens to power them.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Gone from AGE OF THE EARTH... to MODERN SCIENCE... to NUCLEAR
ENERGY; WOW! It is OK to be on this "PSYCHIC" Board; reason being is that BOTH "Science" (scientific methods) AND "Psychic stuff" were enemies of "The Church", back in the "good old days".
"Mrs. Oro" reminded me of it, when she mentioned turning lead to gold or something like that.
From the ALCHEMISTS, ROSICRUCIANS, FREEMASONS, ROYAL SOCIETY (MYSTICS & ALCHEMISTS),
came SCIENCE and DEDUCTIVE REASONING... INDUCTIVE REASONING! SO! Carry on with your VERY interesting "dialogue"... Coffee? "Google" INVISIBLE COLLEGE 1,270,000 "hits" and ROYAL SOCIETY 41,200,000 "hits".

 

[lamar]

lamar, that snide comment you wrote to Mrs. O in your last post is UNCALLED FOR. And for your information, Columbus did not discover America, he discovered a bunch of islands down Bahama way. Anyway, to discover someplace implies that it was unknown or lost. There were several explorers who came to North America long before Columbus "sailed the ocean blue in 14 hundred and ninety-two."

The only fusion reaction in labs has been by using several lasers focused on a single point to cause a fusion reaction. I don't know what you've been drinking in your coffee tonight, but there are no fusion reactors in the world; they are F-I-S-S-I-O-N reactors. You know, the same type of reaction that produced our atom bombs only under controlled use. Sort of like a massive leakdown capacitor drains off electrical power. The control rods allow the radiant energy to be controlled for the purpose of turning water into steam for turning a turbine.

But, given that we have our own flying saucers, there probably ARE fusion reactors encased in old De Lorens to power them.

Dear Shortstack;
Time to read 'em and weep my friend.
http://www.jet.efda.org/
You may notice the title of that particular webpage reads: "Europe's largest nuclear FUSION research facility"
As far as I am aware, the JET facility is using the D-T joining process. They are also in the forefront of research using the tokamak reactor which is NOT laser heated as far as I am aware.

Also, please note that India has a similiar FUSION reactor and I believe that Russia has two. The technology is REAL and it is NOW. You may reject it if you wish, but the evidence is plainly on the table and it's in full view of the world, my friend.
Your friend;
LAMAR

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

Thank you Shortstack,

Dear mrs.oroblanco;
If you already knew, then why did you ask?
.
Your friend;
LAMAR

Lamar, I asked you nothing. I said it is anecdotal - you do not accept anecdotal evidence in any other discussion - and now you want to because you said it? Or because someone said that their reactor metal turned to gold? Where is the proof - visual, scientific proof. The very closest I have seen is a report from a 3rd person, that someone did something.

If you have real evidence, I would like to see it. I know the anecdotal, non-verifiable reports. Like you would say, they mean nothing.

B

Oh, and Shortstack is right - about Columbus.

 

[lamar]

Gone from AGE OF THE EARTH... to MODERN SCIENCE... to NUCLEAR
ENERGY; WOW! It is OK to be on this "PSYCHIC" Board; reason being is that BOTH "Science" (scientific methods) AND "Psychic stuff" were enemies of "The Church", back in the "good old days".
"Mrs. Oro" reminded me of it, when she mentioned turning lead to gold or something like that.
From the ALCHEMISTS, ROSICRUCIANS, FREEMASONS, ROYAL SOCIETY (MYSTICS & ALCHEMISTS),
came SCIENCE and DEDUCTIVE REASONING... INDUCTIVE REASONING! SO! Carry on with your VERY interesting "dialogue"... Coffee? "Google" INVISIBLE COLLEGE 1,270,000 "hits" and ROYAL SOCIETY 41,200,000 "hits".

Dear Rebel-KGC;
All modern scientific research comes from a highly ridiculed history of mankind trying to understand the world in which we live. For instance, early astronomy came into being as direct result of astrology. In truth, all early astronomers were nothing more than astrologers, however instead of attempting to divine people's fortunes and futures, which is against Biblical teachings, they merely wished to understand WHY the cosmos was the way it was.

This spawned an entirely new science and it became one of the most respected of the early natural scientific areas of study. The earliest astronomers disdained the name *astronomer* because of all the negative connatations attached to it, therefore they started calling themselves *astronomers* in order to differeniate themselves from their fortune-telling brethen.

This is also the underlying reason why Church leaders (both Catholic and Protestant) were deeply suspicious of these early *astronomers* because they had been prosecuting astrologers for centuries prior and they held beliefs that astronomers were nothing more than astrologers in a disguise. This of course also led to Galileo's ultimate arrest and censureship. It wasn't Galileo's beliefs, ut was merely the time in which he lived that prosecuted him.

Within a generation of Galileo's death, astronomy became a deeply respected field of science and all former prejuidices against astronomers, by their association with astrologers, was largely forgotten about. In fact, the Vatican was among the first groups to open and maintain an observatory. First opened in 1774 AD and originally based in Rome, the Vatican Observatory is one the oldest and most respected institutions of advanced astronomics. It hosts the VATT (Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope) along with the 1.8M Alice P. Lennon telescope and a host of other smaller, specialized 'scopes. They are housed at the Mount Graham International Observatory in Tucson Arizona.

That the earliest experiments, observations and suppositions soon gave way to a more structured method of thought that cannot be argued or denied. We owe much to alchemy, astrology and other *dark* dabblings, not for what they ATTEMPTED to accomplished, because the goals of those people is definitely heretical, but rather what followed in their footsteps, which is the modern scientific method. Do I condemn those ancient astrologers, alchemists and others who dabbled in the black arts? Yes, absolutely, I do condemn their purposes and their goals. Do I applaud their early experiments and observations which made them the very first scientific observers. Yes I do.
Your friend;
LAMAR

 

[Rebel - KGC]

THEN, you have the three "Wise Guys" errrrrr... WISE MEN, following the STAR, in the EAST...
Recken, they DID "dabble" with their camels... DUNNO.

 

[GL]

I unquestionably DO pity those who hold to Young Earth as true. It is preposterous and unthinkable that in the 21st century there are still people who honestly believe that the planet Earth is 10,000 years old. Yes I know it was a common belief throughout the ages but that was BEFORE it was completely disproved by science and mathematics. It is now merely a denial issue. It conflicts with religion so it is denied. They choose to believe it rather than simply accept facts for facts. I have nothing but contempt and pity for these people(posters here included) and their children who will undoubtedly be taught this imbecilic nonsense as true. I find it almost offensive to listen to or read to this poppycock being touted as casual fact. It is very similar to Flat Earth ideology in that it so utterly unbelievable that the only conclusion one can draw is that the person must be either mentally unstable or willfully ig-norant. Either way I have read enough. Delete this post, do whatever but just...wow.

Thank you I'm out of this ridiculous thread.

 

[Saturna]

It conflicts with religion so it is denied.

The history of humankind.

 

[Shortstack]

Mr. lamar, you really should reread the title of that article. It says that the place is a RESEARCH facility. Heck, there are RESEARCH facilities in many countries, but no operating power plants, like you were indicating in your later posts on this thread. You've changed course so many times in this one thread, that I've almost gotten whiplash from trying to keep up with your topics. Yes, the dream is to discover an ECONOMICAL means of having fusion power for all areas because it would be safer than the fission plants we have now. But, again, it presently takes too much energy to initiate a fusion reaction and that reaction does not last more than a millisecond. Nothing sustained.

Let's drop back a few yards to some of our earlier posts here. I noticed you conveniently ignored some points of scientific information. The pesky facts of human and dinosaur bones being found in the same rock strata. Those pesky polystrait fossils.

Let's add one more pesky fact of dinosaur remains; supposed 77 million years older than "man" with the fine details of it's skin still intact. Really tough lizards, hey?

Let's revisit those pesky burial pots in Peru with the pictures of a dinosaur resembling a stegosaurus with a man on it's back, scratched into it's design with very fine detail. The common "reasoning" of the illustrious paleontologists is that those scratchings are just copies of other pictures those folks saw "somewhere". But, those scientists do not explain HOW the first artist knew what a dinosaur LOOKED like, so they could draw those pictures. After all, those dinos SUPPOSEDLY died out 77 million years BEFORE man showed up. Kind of a catch-22 situation isn't it?

This is not going over the same discussions. I'm just looking for what answers you come up with, since you ignored them the first go around.


Note to Mr / Mrs / Miss GL: YOU are the one hung-up on that 10,000 year figure. YOU are the one that brought up that figure. YOU are the one bringing religion into this thread. YOU are most welcomed to leave.........as you just stated. Thank you and good night.

 

[Oroblanco]

Rebel-KGC wrote

Recken, they DID "dabble" with their camels... DUNNO

HAY now watch it there amigo - this IS a FAMILY-ORIENTED SITE!

GL wrote

I unquestionably DO pity those who hold to Young Earth as true.

Well leave if that is your choice, no hard feelings here; however it is not going to help change the views of your friends here by ridicule or insult. All that will achieve is to offend folks whom have done you no harm other than to hold a differing view from yours. Instead of leaving, why not present the evidence and arguments for the Old Earth theory, which you hold is true? There is quite a bit of evidence and argument, and there is evidence and argument for the Young Earth theory - which is the purpose of our discussion in this thread, to present and debate and make our own conclusions.


Oroblanco

 

[Shortstack]

Mr. O, that's a very calm and reasoned reply to a closed minded individual who refuses to be confused by FACTS. He/she is a living, breathing example of just what earlier scientists had to contend with. Scientists such as Dr. Lister and Archimedes. There are always somebody around to go hysterical.

 

[Oroblanco]

Thank you amigo Shortstack - I just wish more folks would keep an open mind to possibilities; there is nothing to gain with a closed mind.
Our history is replete with examples of what everyone "knew" that later turned out wrong - for centuries it was taught that the Earth was the center of the Universe, then that the Sun was the center, or the "flat Earth" etc it was through a study of the evidence and debate that led to our knowledge of the truth in each case - not by ridicule or contempt.

Oroblanco

 

[lamar]

Mr. lamar, you really should reread the title of that article. It says that the place is a RESEARCH facility. Heck, there are RESEARCH facilities in many countries, but no operating power plants, like you were indicating in your later posts on this thread. You've changed course so many times in this one thread, that I've almost gotten whiplash from trying to keep up with your topics. Yes, the dream is to discover an ECONOMICAL means of having fusion power for all areas because it would be safer than the fission plants we have now. But, again, it presently takes too much energy to initiate a fusion reaction and that reaction does not last more than a millisecond. Nothing sustained.

Let's drop back a few yards to some of our earlier posts here. I noticed you conveniently ignored some points of scientific information. The pesky facts of human and dinosaur bones being found in the same rock strata. Those pesky polystrait fossils.

Let's add one more pesky fact of dinosaur remains; supposed 77 million years older than "man" with the fine details of it's skin still intact. Really tough lizards, hey?

Let's revisit those pesky burial pots in Peru with the pictures of a dinosaur resembling a stegosaurus with a man on it's back, scratched into it's design with very fine detail. The common "reasoning" of the illustrious paleontologists is that those scratchings are just copies of other pictures those folks saw "somewhere". But, those scientists do not explain HOW the first artist knew what a dinosaur LOOKED like, so they could draw those pictures. After all, those dinos SUPPOSEDLY died out 77 million years BEFORE man showed up. Kind of a catch-22 situation isn't it?

This is not going over the same discussions. I'm just looking for what answers you come up with, since you ignored them the first go around.


Note to Mr / Mrs / Miss GL: YOU are the one hung-up on that 10,000 year figure. YOU are the one that brought up that figure. YOU are the one bringing religion into this thread. YOU are most welcomed to leave.........as you just stated. Thank you and good night.

Dear Shortstack;
I beg to differ with you, my friend. You said that we know nothing about fusion reactors. I refuted that statement because we DO know about fusion technology. I also stated that there are several fusion reactors up and running as I am writing this. This is also true. And no, reaction times no longer last for a mere millisecond. Thus far, fusion reaction times have been sustianed for as long as 250 seconds and it's NOT the issue of sustaining the reaction, the real issue is CONTAINMENT of that same reaction. Like I've previously stated, research teams are proceeding with nuclear fussion reactor technology slowly, thus precluding (hopefully) any large-scale disasters.

To continue, thus far there has not been any actual scientific data concerning the fact that dinosaurs and man co-inhabitated the planet. The *fossilized* iron hammer, complete with it's WOODEN handle intact no less, is nothing more than a modern era hammer which had been exposed to dripping limestone, thus forming a stalagtite about part of the head and haft. It's fairly obviously that it is NOT a fossil, therefore that cannot even be considered as physical evidence.

All other physical evidence points to either misinterpretted conclusions of the evidence or outright forgery. Thus far, no dinosaur fossils have been discovered above the K-T boundary layer, and trust on this, they ARE searching for evidence, ANY evidence that dinosaurs may have existed for some time after the major K-T event.

Likewise, the evidence of humanoid remains, or even distant ancestors to humanoid remains, have yet to be discovered anywhere close to the depth of the K-T boundary layer.

My friend, the facts are the facts. many people seem to feel that archeologists, scientists and other professional bodies do not wish to *rock the established boat* when this is 180 degrees from the actual truth. They LOVE to rock that boat! It's what they are trained to do, my friend. it's only by attacking a theory or discovery from every possible angel that some sort of factual evidence may be established.

For example, all of your references have already been researched by professionals in their respective fields and without exception every one of the examples has been shown to have been a misrepresentation, forgery or inconclusive. Trust me, when a paleonthology team digs up a T-rex fossil with the fossilized skeleton of early human remains in it's stomach cavity, the whole WORLD will know about it! It will be the headlines of every newspaper across the globe, Nat-Geo will make several new series about it, etc,.

In all fairness, the professional community has taken the time and expended the effort to research all reasonable claims pretaining to dinosaurs and humans residing together on Earth and in every case there has been NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE presented that might lead one to believe in that particular theory.
Your friend;
LAMAR

 

[lamar]

Dear Shortstack;
Also, I do not wish to debate whom first discovered the Americas, my friend. I do realize that there exists a real possibility that the Norse were in North America before Columbus, yet this is not an issue for me. Columbus was the first person who RECORDED the discovery and because of his discovery, the course of mankind was forever altered, for good or bad. Therefore, Columbus remains as the official discoverer of the Americas.
Your friend;
LAMAR

 

[gallileo60]

Mr. Oro, here is the info concerning earth's gravity.

QUOTE. "Dr. Thomas Barnes, Emeritus Professor of Physics at the University of Texas at El Paso, has published the definitive work in this field. Scientific observations since 1829 have shown that the earth's magnetic field has been measurably decaying at an exponential rate, demonstrating its half-life to be approximately 1,400 years. In practical application its strength 20,000 years ago would approximate that of a magnetic star. Under those conditions many of the atoms necessary for the life processes could not form. These data demonstrate that earth's entire history is young, within a few thousand years." UNQUOTE.

Barnes, Thomas, ICR Technical Monograph #4, Origin and Destiny of the Earth's Magnetic Field (2nd edition, 1983)

Magnetic feild, and gravity are two different things......Gravity per say has no half life...

 

[Oroblanco]

Lamar wrote

Columbus was the first person who RECORDED the discovery

I respectfully disagree on this point amigo, and hope to change some minds about it - but that is quite another subject from our topic here so will not comment further.

Oroblanco