Antique wooden frame with black and white portrait

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Frame size 24x28 .Is the male in portrait an Historical figure.
Is this type of Antique portrait of any value
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Great stache...he could have entered a contest...is there any identifying marks on the portrait? Maybe on the back? Important thing is if you like it... someone on here may be able to tell you more...
 

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Great stache...he could have entered a contest...is there any identifying marks on the portrait? Maybe on the back? Important thing is if you like it... someone on here may be able to tell you more...
Hi Yes I noticed the frame and antique feel with mustache and bought it quickly fast at a
flea.market .There is no identifying marks on the back of frame.
The frame or face maybe the style of clothes some one here is familiar with..
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I looked last night a bit. But i think you are going to have a hard time. Without the artist's name or subject's name or any writing on back or on frame. That was the style for Men's facial hair in the late 19th century. So almost all portraits of men will have similar mustaches. At least you can narrow the time period down.

1880s–1910s – from bushman to man about town​

A more clean-shaven look was in fashion from about the 1880s. Mustaches came into their own. The shaggy ‘walrus’ style had the hair droop luxuriously over the lip, but other styles demanded a lot of care. The ‘Imperial’ – modeled by European royalty at the end of the century – required men (and their barbers) to shave and brush the hair up the cheek.
 

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In the auction and antiques world, these are known as "instant ancestors"...portraits of unknown people that some buy to hang on their walls, like a portrait of a long-ago relative.
 

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In the auction and antiques world, these are known as "instant ancestors"...portraits of unknown people that some buy to hang on their walls, like a portrait of a long-ago relative.
Hi Thank You for your information Would this type portrait and frame be considered in an auction?
 

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I looked last night a bit. But i think you are going to have a hard time. Without the artist's name or subject's name or any writing on back or on frame. That was the style for Men's facial hair in the late 19th century. So almost all portraits of men will have similar mustaches. At least you can narrow the time period down.

1880s–1910s – from bushman to man about town​

A more clean-shaven look was in fashion from about the 1880s. Mustaches came into their own. The shaggy ‘walrus’ style had the hair droop luxuriously over the lip, but other styles demanded a lot of care. The ‘Imperial’ – modeled by European royalty at the end of the century – required men (and their barbers) to shave and brush the hair up the cheek.
The portrait and frame is possibly from
I looked last night a bit. But i think you are going to have a hard time. Without the artist's name or subject's name or any writing on back or on frame. That was the style for Men's facial hair in the late 19th century. So almost all portraits of men will have similar mustaches. At least you can narrow the time period down.

1880s–1910s – from bushman to man about town​

A more clean-shaven look was in fashion from about the 1880s. Mustaches came into their own. The shaggy ‘walrus’ style had the hair droop luxuriously over the lip, but other styles demanded a lot of care. The ‘Imperial’ – modeled by European royalty at the end of the century – required men (and their barbers) to shave and brush the hair up the cheek.

possibly the late 1800's Thank You for the information...
 

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Hi Thank You for your information Would this type portrait and frame be considered in an auction?
They're sold at local auctions all the time--I've watched hundreds sell over the years. The term "instant ancestors" is used by the auctioneers as a way to hopefully give a lighthearted incentive for people to bid. Unfortunately, they usually don't sell for more than the frame they're in would sell for with nothing in it. Larger auction houses have no interest in these unless the subject is documented as someone with historical significance.
 

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They're sold at local auctions all the time--I've watched hundreds sell over the years. The term "instant ancestors" is used by the auctioneers as a way to hopefully give a lighthearted incentive for people to bid. Unfortunately, they usually don't sell for more than the frame they're in would sell for with nothing in it. Larger auction houses have no interest in these unless the subject is documented as someone with historical significance.
Thank You for your information ...so it is possible the frame is worth ...I notice'
frames from 1800' similar patterns as this frame are priced in the high end thousands?
 

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I can't comment on what sellers ask for these typical frames since asking prices and selling prices can be drastically far apart.

Unfortunately there's nothing special about yours, and Victorian-era antiques in general have been difficult to sell in the past decade and a half as the older generation who original drove the prices very high have all but died off now. But they rarely sell for more than a few tens of dollars, to a couple hundred at the high end, in a large antique shop. At local auctions they often don't even get a $10 bid.
 

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Thank You.I feel the picture and frame was a nice find me not an expert...
I was told not worth much? I like the time piece great.....
Unfortunately there's nothing special about yours, and Victorian-era antiques in general have been difficult to sell in the past decade and a half as the older generation who original drove the prices very high have all but died off now. But they rarely sell for more than a few tens of dollars, to a couple hundred at the high end, in a large antique shop. At local auctions they often don't even get a $10 bid....Emil W
 

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It looks like the back is tacked to the frame. The photo is inside the back. Sometimes people wrote on the back of the photo itself before it was mounted in the frame.
 

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It looks like the back is tacked to the frame. The photo is inside the back. Sometimes people wrote on the back of the photo itself before it was mounted in the frame.
Hi I will check Thank You for advise
 

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