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well this morning i wake up to about ten inches of snow and the temperature is -10 (yup, ten degrees below zero, i am serious)

so i decide to look through this stack of about seventy frames of stuff i had not looked at in about a year
i ran across two frames of beads.... both have bird bone beads
one has a lot of scoria beads with a few misc including catlinite, etc
second one has a bunch of mussel shell beads which were made from the missouri river mussels
the mussel shells are poor eating but were useful for making beads , ornaments, and most of all they were pulverized and
mixed with river bank clay and ashes to make the black pottery we find here
next i found a frame of fish hooks
the 3 that i have in my hand are my largest but some place i have a bigger one that is broke.....twitkos son trovert gave it to me as a token of friendship
i also show two images of fish hook blanks, the bigger one shows an almost finished hook, while the smaller one is unfinished sitting next to two much smaller and delicate blanks
note that in the mandan culture the heavy larger hooks were made from split rib and the smaller delicate types
were made from bird bones (like turkey)
it looks like Twitko and i can't go surface hunting for a while now so we will get out our guitars and hammer out some some Blues
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Some really incredible frames there Steve!
I bet they hooked into some really big'ole Missour'a River Cats with those hooks in your hand.

Those unfinished bone blanks are pretty cool too! Always interesting to see how artifacts were made.

Thanks for sharing....let's see the rest of those 70 frames, when you get a chance.


Also got a killer box of 'facts' from Witco, I need to post soon, but he sent a really nice bone bead in it, very cool! don't find any bone so far in this part of Ohio.

her are a few more images of the unfinished larger hook for you to studyIMG_1689.webpIMG_1690.webp
 

Museum quality ...
 

Some really incredible frames there Steve!
I bet they hooked into some really big'ole Missour'a River Cats with those hooks in your hand.

Those unfinished bone blanks are pretty cool too! Always interesting to see how artifacts were made.

Thanks for sharing....let's see the rest of those 70 frames, when you get a chance.


Also got a killer box of 'facts' from Witco, I need to post soon, but he sent a really nice bone bead in it, very cool! don't find any bone so far in this part of Ohio.

yup you should post them now (right now hehe)
 

her are a few more images of the unfinished larger hook for you to studyView attachment 699885View attachment 699886
Thanks Steve, It's interesting how they felt the need to drill the hole in the bone first, it seems they could accomplish the hooks by just engraving without the hole, I wonder if it functioned as a weak point for when they 'snapped' it out of the bone.

Are the preforms completely cut through the bone or is there some rough edge where they were removed prior to complete cutting?

Also can you tell if they are all one type of bone from one animal or did they use whatever was convenient?

yup you should post them now (right now hehe)
I will as soon as I can get some decent pics of them :)
 

yup the holes were drilled so it would lessen the chance of it breaking in that area
lookie here

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I do the same thing when using a jigsaw and need to turn a sharp angle with my cut. It would be very difficult to do that on a small piece of bone by only carving into it with a graver without damaging the hook. The hole is perfect.
 

I do the same thing when using a jigsaw and need to turn a sharp angle with my cut. It would be very difficult to do that on a small piece of bone by only carving into it with a graver without damaging the hook. The hole is perfect.

you are right my friend
i found another picture of a frame with some more blanks like that
but that was yesterday and now i forgot where it is.......i will try to find it tonite
20 some years ago we were trying to figure out what those blanks were, but we learned real quick when we read the book
 

That awesome. I've spent many years hoping to find one myself. I have one drilled blank so far. Your blessed.
 

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You have a museum quality display my friend. I bet those early stage blanks confused alot of people who found one. I love how you have the whole progression.
 

You have a museum quality display my friend. I bet those early stage blanks confused alot of people who found one. I love how you have the whole progression.

thanks bill
i found a few more images for you to study and you are right, john and me did not know this for a few years and probably didn't even keep all of those blanks
the broke fish hook is the biggest i have.........AND it was given to me by TWitko's son krovert
it is made from a buffalo rib which is rare as the most common are made from turkey bones and deer bones
it must have been for a large piece of bait for probably big catfish or pallid sturgeon since it is made so heavy and strong
you can see that it had striations very deep on the upper stem for probably extra holding power
i think it is valuable and would be extremely valuable if it would have been complete
never the less it is a great piece in my book for sure
i thought you would find these (probably last) images interesting also

steve
larson1951

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Most definitely! Thank you. I'm looking forward to posting my first one when I find it. It seems that when a certain artifact enters conversation and I truly hope to find one ..I wind up being blessed with one. Almost like clockwork. I sure hope that holds true.
 

My humble broken example

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thanks bill
i found a few more images for you to study and you are right, john and me did not know this for a few years and probably didn't even keep all of those blanks
the broke fish hook is the biggest i have.........AND it was given to me by TWitko's son krovert
it is made from a buffalo rib which is rare as the most common are made from turkey bones and deer bones
it must have been for a large piece of bait for probably big catfish or pallid sturgeon since it is made so heavy and strong
you can see that it had striations very deep on the upper stem for probably extra holding power
i think it is valuable and would be extremely valuable if it would have been complete
never the less it is a great piece in my book for sure
i thought you would find these (probably last) images interesting also

steve
larson1951

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Wow Steve, That big one would've been called a shark hook if it was made of steel,great fishing line grooves as well.

Are there still any sturgeon left in the river there?

That also is pretty cool how you have examples of the whole process.
 

yes there is tons of shovel nose sturgeon in the river
about ten years ago we drifted below the mouth of the knife river when the water is gin clear
we drifted for about 3/4 of a mile in 14 feet of water that had a school of them that was about 50 feet wide along the bank and they were so thick that you could not see the bottom.....
.....and they were within a foot of the bottom...ib the spring the water in the missouri is so clear the you can see close to twenty feet down...such clean water
now the big pallid sturgeon is very very rare and endangered, they run 4 to 6 feet long up to over a 100 pounds
i saw them when i was a kid
i think those kind were the ones these big hooks were made for as well as catfish
 

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