Bleeding horse forced to buck (Reno Nevada, USA)

[mrs.oroblanco]

MikeofAustin,

Just for the record - nobody in rodeo crushes bull testicles. Its a bucking strap - it does nothing to their private parts, nor anything else.

I don't know who told you that bs, but, if you actually WATCH a bullride, you will see that their testicles are swinging in the breeze, just as nature put them there (as opposed to cutting them off so you can have a hamburger or a steak).

A bull will also buck without the strap - and they can count to 8 seconds. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, when they are not bucking for sport, they are treated like kings. Much better than some that don't make the circuits.

Add to that - if you take your average riding horse, put a saddle on him, and tighten up that back saddle girth, you have, in essence, a bucking strap, and quite often, your wonderful saddle horse will buck you to kingdom come.

What a bucking strap does, is go over the animals "ticklish" spot - its like someone poking you in the side where folks are ticklish - makes you jump - or, buck, as it were.

And, bulls will kill you just because you exist. (so will cows, by the way - just get around a cow and her newborn and see how fast you can run).

I (hubby and I) have dealt with them, and pigs, and sheep - for most of our lives - this isn't Disneyland.

So, unless you are a strict vegetarian, somebody is raising what you eat so that they can kill it. (and that would include eggs, since you are eating a potential unborn chicken), and they take their lives in their hands every single time they feed them, or vet them or anything else.

Riding a horse is no different than riding a bucking horse - and, I noticed - right away - that the rodeo vet was right there.(except that you ride a regular horse for much longer than 8 seconds). Which means whatever was going on with the horse was minor. Kind of like if you went and played golf with a hangnail. If an animal gets injured - really injured, they are pulled - even in the smallest local rodeos. Hate to say it, but those bucking animals are worth a whole lot more than any regular
animal. The folks that own them have hundreds of thousands of dollars in them. Much like racing horses - which, by the way, many racing horses bleed from their noses when they race.

Beth

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

 

[shaun7]

I'll tell you what... If you do ANYTHING to make me buck... Be forwarded... I might be plenty upset, and a life might just be taken.

Do you eat meat?

If so, it doesn't make a lot of sense to approve of eating an animal and disapprove of riding the same animal for sport.

It's why I've never understood the outrage over cockfighting. It's OK to decapitate, pluck, and BBQ a chicken, but you can't fight them to the death for sport? A rooster has a brain the size of a BB and will kill any other rooster in the barnyard if left to their own devices. Cockfighting is just watching for sport what the animal is already programmed to naturally do - with the exception of the steel spurs.

I stated this in the other "cruelty" thread that got locked down, but I think that Disney cartoons featuring anthropomorphic talking mice and bears have really warped how we view animals. I know in cartoons the Care Bears like to shoot rainbows out of their cute little tummies, but here in the real world, bears will kill and eat you. Mice don't pilot steamboats and have girlfriends named Minnie. Here in reality they destroy crops and spread disease.

Again, I don't approve of starving or neglecting your pet dog or cat, but pitching a fit over a horse with a busted lip is just a little over the top IMO. The majority of animal cruelty IMO is the fur trade, veal, and sorry people who refuse to give their pet dogs and cats proper food or veterinary care. Those people you see on the animal hoarder shows are the worst violators.

Are you sexually active? But disapprove of rape?

Abuse is abuse, but killing for food is another thing, you peen!!

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

Shaun7,

That analogy is the epitomy of comparing apples to oranges.


Beth

 

[shaun7]

I'll tell you what... If you do ANYTHING to make me buck... Be forwarded... I might be plenty upset, and a life might just be taken.

Do you eat meat?

If so, it doesn't make a lot of sense to approve of eating an animal and disapprove of riding the same animal for sport.

It's why I've never understood the outrage over cockfighting. It's OK to decapitate, pluck, and BBQ a chicken, but you can't fight them to the death for sport? A rooster has a brain the size of a BB and will kill any other rooster in the barnyard if left to their own devices. Cockfighting is just watching for sport what the animal is already programmed to naturally do - with the exception of the steel spurs.

I stated this in the other "cruelty" thread that got locked down, but I think that Disney cartoons featuring anthropomorphic talking mice and bears have really warped how we view animals. I know in cartoons the Care Bears like to shoot rainbows out of their cute little tummies, but here in the real world, bears will kill and eat you. Mice don't pilot steamboats and have girlfriends named Minnie. Here in reality they destroy crops and spread disease.

Again, I don't approve of starving or neglecting your pet dog or cat, but pitching a fit over a horse with a busted lip is just a little over the top IMO. The majority of animal cruelty IMO is the fur trade, veal, and sorry people who refuse to give their pet dogs and cats proper food or veterinary care. Those people you see on the animal hoarder shows are the worst violators.

Are you sexually active? But disapprove of rape?

Abuse is abuse, but killing for food is another thing, you peen!!

Do you think your meat is born in the wrapper? Country folks could tell you about where it comes from and how it gets from point a to b....sorry but these rodeo animals have a much better life then your porterhouse.

Yes because I'm stupid like that

 

[shaun7]

I'll tell you what... If you do ANYTHING to make me buck... Be forwarded... I might be plenty upset, and a life might just be taken.

Do you eat meat?

If so, it doesn't make a lot of sense to approve of eating an animal and disapprove of riding the same animal for sport.

It's why I've never understood the outrage over cockfighting. It's OK to decapitate, pluck, and BBQ a chicken, but you can't fight them to the death for sport? A rooster has a brain the size of a BB and will kill any other rooster in the barnyard if left to their own devices. Cockfighting is just watching for sport what the animal is already programmed to naturally do - with the exception of the steel spurs.

I stated this in the other "cruelty" thread that got locked down, but I think that Disney cartoons featuring anthropomorphic talking mice and bears have really warped how we view animals. I know in cartoons the Care Bears like to shoot rainbows out of their cute little tummies, but here in the real world, bears will kill and eat you. Mice don't pilot steamboats and have girlfriends named Minnie. Here in reality they destroy crops and spread disease.

Again, I don't approve of starving or neglecting your pet dog or cat, but pitching a fit over a horse with a busted lip is just a little over the top IMO. The majority of animal cruelty IMO is the fur trade, veal, and sorry people who refuse to give their pet dogs and cats proper food or veterinary care. Those people you see on the animal hoarder shows are the worst violators.

Are you sexually active? But disapprove of rape?

Abuse is abuse, but killing for food is another thing, you peen!!

Do you think your meat is born in the wrapper? Country folks could tell you about where it comes from and how it gets from point a to b....sorry but these rodeo animals have a much better life then your porterhouse.

Yes because I'm stupid like that

No one is calling you stupid...but you would be shocked at what people think....I use to take a fresh Holstein cow to show at the fair in Kingcity , California....we were not allowed to take a nurse calf and had to hand milk her....she could nurse four calves so that is a heck of a lot of milk. I would take dixie cups and milk the cow into them and give it to the kids walking by......keep in mind this was in the 70's......the kids were so surprised that the milk was hot and foamy.....then some would ask where the chocolate milk came from and the parents told them brown cows...and some of the parents....sounded serious....

We would hang a beef as we were butchering it from a truck with a hook that slowly raised it off the ground...this was by a major highway and the road would slam to a stop! people would gather around the pen to watch something they had never seen before.....


So yes there are people out there that actually think meat is born in wrapper.

I'm 42 Tee and have cooked a lovely roast beef dinner for today, but if I saw Hombre having his way with a cow...just because I ate beef tonight

 

[hammered]

I think everyone has made good points, the only reason I posted in the first place was the blood. Over here, we don't have rodeos so I am not judging anyone on that, but we do have other types of horse shows and such. If an animal was to be seen bleeding it would be pulled immediately and examined and treated if necessary. This was not an attack on your way of doing things, period. I was born into a family that bred Freisian Horses and Welsh Mountain ponies, I have been trapped in a stall with a p1ssed off Freisian Stallion and that's not fun, in my case, just hit with a bucket and run and jump. I also, now, work with the local farmer selling his local beef, I used to work in a butchers shop. So my point is not about, do you eat meat, do you go to rodeos or do you hunt but it is about caring for the animals we use, whether you show, butcher or hunt them they deserve not to be tortured or treated inhumanely. I'm not a tree hugger, I just believe in this day and age, we should be better, there is NO excuse for not caring about animals. And don't get me started on not caring for my fellow man


hammered

PS. by the way this is a Friesian Horse (Stallion)

 

[hammered]

I think everyone has made good points, the only reason I posted in the first place was the blood. Over here, we don't have rodeos so I am not judging anyone on that, but we do have other types of horse shows and such. If an animal was to be seen bleeding it would be pulled immediately and examined and treated if necessary. This was not an attack on your way of doing things, period. I was born into a family that bred Freisian Horses and Welsh Mountain ponies, I have been trapped in a stall with a p1ssed off Freisian Stallion and that's not fun, in my case, just hit with a bucket and run and jump. I also, now, work with the local farmer selling his local beef, I used to work in a butchers shop. So my point is not about, do you eat meat, do you go to rodeos or do you hunt but it is about caring for the animals we use, whether you show, butcher or hunt them they deserve not to be tortured or treated inhumanely. I'm not a tree hugger, I just believe in this day and age, we should be better, there is NO excuse for not caring about animals. And don't get me started on not caring for my fellow man


hammered

PS. by the way this is a Friesian Horse (Stallion)

Hammered That is a beautiful stallion.....He is majestic.

Side note.......
Didn't your country turn to horse meat during your last break out of mad cow? Millions of pounds of horse meat are eaten every where around the world and I would imagine they do not go easy. No animal should be mistreated.....there is no excuse.....but you also need to be around an animal to see if it is truly being abused.. I have seen even the gentlest horse spring a leak and it wasn't due to abuse.

Hi Tee, all the best to you and hubby . But, no, we didn't turn to horse meat during the last outbreak of BSE. It's related to scrapie in sheep, but it was over played by the media, we weren't affected at all down here due to great animal husbandry, Blue lip is another problem tho', spread by mosquitoes, but again not here yet. And as far as being around animals, My family bred them, and I was a show jumper, been there got the T-shirt. I also shoot too, so, like I say, I'm not shouting from the other side of the fence


Take care Tee


hammered

 

[hammered]

I think everyone has made good points, the only reason I posted in the first place was the blood. Over here, we don't have rodeos so I am not judging anyone on that, but we do have other types of horse shows and such. If an animal was to be seen bleeding it would be pulled immediately and examined and treated if necessary. This was not an attack on your way of doing things, period. I was born into a family that bred Freisian Horses and Welsh Mountain ponies, I have been trapped in a stall with a p1ssed off Freisian Stallion and that's not fun, in my case, just hit with a bucket and run and jump. I also, now, work with the local farmer selling his local beef, I used to work in a butchers shop. So my point is not about, do you eat meat, do you go to rodeos or do you hunt but it is about caring for the animals we use, whether you show, butcher or hunt them they deserve not to be tortured or treated inhumanely. I'm not a tree hugger, I just believe in this day and age, we should be better, there is NO excuse for not caring about animals. And don't get me started on not caring for my fellow man


hammered

PS. by the way this is a Friesian Horse (Stallion)

Hammered That is a beautiful stallion.....He is majestic.

Side note.......
Didn't your country turn to horse meat during your last break out of mad cow? Millions of pounds of horse meat are eaten every where around the world and I would imagine they do not go easy. No animal should be mistreated.....there is no excuse.....but you also need to be around an animal to see if it is truly being abused.. I have seen even the gentlest horse spring a leak and it wasn't due to abuse.

Hi Tee, all the best to you and hubby . But, no, we didn't turn to horse meat during the last outbreak of BSE. It's related to scrapie in sheep, but it was over played by the media, we weren't affected at all down here due to great animal husbandry, Blue lip is another problem tho', spread by mosquitoes, but again not here yet. And as far as being around animals, My family bred them, and I was a show jumper, been there got the T-shirt. I also shoot too, so, like I say, I'm not shouting from the other side of the fence


Take care Tee


hammered

Thank you hammered...see how the news lies! We were told even the USA horse were being shipped to England for Horse meat processing. The price of horses at action increased substantially.

The fools were actually grinding dead sheep up and mixing it into cow feed and they wonder why the animals were getting sick....

You hit the nail on the head there Tee, our cattle are all fed from grain from a brewery, really nice taste and really tender too

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

Hammered,

BEAUTIFUL Fresian. Love them big hosses. And, black ones in particular - though I spent my last breeding years with a very wonderful black
Percheron.

Shaun7,

Nobody was calling you stupid - in my opinion - just that, it seems that, the younger generation (which is anyone young enough to be one of my kids or grandkids), no longer realize exactly what and where our food comes from, and how it gets there. Ranch and farm kids know where food comes from, that your protein would kill you if you let it, they don't really need a formal sex talk, because they learn from a very young age how babies are made, where they come out of, and all the things that come with that. They learn early how to treat animals for different ailments, when to call a vet, what has to be fed to get the biggest bang for the buck (as in a good beef versus one that has to be used for hamburger).

They are told some of the most ridiculous things (the animal activists - and I am not for abusing any animal, I'm talking about the same types of activists that are trying to stop us from going onto public land etc - fanatical types) - they quite often use out right lies to make their points - they think the end justifies the means.

I have many rodeo friends. Heck, we live right near the McBride ranch (quite famous bull rider), and we have lived near several bucking horse facilities, etc. The average riding horse has an abused life compared to these rodeo animals. I promise you. These folks would rather go broke or go without eating than have something happen to one of their animals. In the video, there was a vet there - that was the guy with the chain and ID around his neck. And, after looking it over a couple of times, I see that the cowboys actually stopped to get the vet over there.

Here is a truth I hope you don't forget - if you have 2 horses together in the same pasture - one can beat the heck out of the other one a lot worse than we ever could by sitting on their backs. (especially for only 8 seconds). Same with bulls and cows. They all beat the tar out of each other.

Horsemeat is not a bad thing. I would rather see horsemeat in my dog food (which, is very often used, they just call it "meat protein"), then see an old horse that can no longer eat or sustain itself, and some well-meaning person lets it die slowly and painfully, because they just cannot bear to see it die. The horse is killed humanely - and quickly, and not much goes to waste. And, I know its an old joke, but, that glue that your kids use in grade school are from horses. (even though they will tell you that it doesn't happen).

I'm not sure I understand the idea of people starving to death when there is perfectly good protein available. I, personally, wouldn't want to eat my horse, but, I might if the alternative was starving to death, or having the animal starve to death along with me.

The idea of grinding sheep (and other animals, by the way) - is not the major problem - what IS the major problem there is that they use dead animals, sick animals, and diseased animals to grind up. Which is how we ended up with things like mad cow disease. Diseased animals need to be disposed of - period. There is natural cannibalism in the animal kingdom - the highest ones on that order is your average every day chicken - they will peck and eat each other. Then some brilliant mind, decides to take dead chickens and make animal feed out of them. Duh.

For our great love - sire Cedarfarm Ontario, our other studs were out of him - and took his attributes. Hannibal is his grandson.

Beth

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

Forgot one pic. This is Cedarfarm Ontario's grandson, Hannibal, at a half hour old.


Beth

 

[shaun7]

Shaun7,

That analogy is the epitomy of comparing apples to oranges.


Beth

Why?

 

[hammered]

What a babe Beth, I would love to get into horse breeding again, Too expensive now, at least on my level. I will try to get you some shots of Troy, the grandson of the last one my family bred, he's a beaut too

Take care


Ian

 

[FarmerChick]

we bred spotted saddle horses for about 9 years on our farm.

we got out just before the bottom fell out. around here people are abandoning horses left and right and at auction they are going so cheap it is unreal.

 

[truckinbutch]

we bred spotted saddle horses for about 9 years on our farm.

we got out just before the bottom fell out. around here people are abandoning horses left and right and at auction they are going so cheap it is unreal.

Where I live if you leave your stock trailer unattended at the local auction you may find a
horse tied to it when you come back .

 

[Dave44]

we bred spotted saddle horses for about 9 years on our farm.

we got out just before the bottom fell out. around here people are abandoning horses left and right and at auction they are going so cheap it is unreal.

Where I live if you leave your stock trailer unattended at the local auction you may find a
horse tied to it when you come back .

That is funny right there! I guess you all know that there has been a HUGE push to not allow "Glue Factories" Or "Dog Food" factories in the United States,, It makes the old, infirm, or crazy horses worth less than nothing,, Unless you own your own backhoe!

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

To all,

I am the biggest sucker for a horse - always have been, always will be. I'll be thrilled to see anybody's horses - they are my achilles heel.

I've been into horse raising, breeding, training, riding - since I can remember. Used to barrel race, and ran the circuits when I was a younger person.

Roy and I used our "big guys and gals" for plowing, pulling tree stumps, logging - all that sort of good stuff. We had Perches, (black and greys), and Belgians, mostly. Since I'd been around horse trainers (and horseshoers and horse traders) all my life (including Roy's mom - Roy rode horses before he was born - against my mother-in-laws doctors orders ), it just seemed the natural thing to start "upping" the breeds.

So, we went all the way across the country to get the best sire we could find for what we could afford, and we found him in Wisconsin, and had him shipped across the country.

Of course, with a stud and mares comes foals, and training - which I just had to "up my game" - and went to Pat Parelli - and then, eventually to Clinton Anderson training clinics. (which I am still involved with).

Then, out of nowhere, warmbloods became extremely popular - and, Percheron studs were THE thing to use to breed thoroughbreds and standardbreds, and thats how we spent the next few years. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the ASPCA and some other organizations asked me about taking in needy horses. So, we ended up with a combination breeding, training, rehabing, rescuing operation. Even the police would call us at all hours to pick up horses. (nothing like having to hook up a horse-trailer at 3 in the morning while waiting for foals to arrive, to go down to a highway and chase a loose horse or two for the police). Yee, haw.

Oh, that reminds me - getting semen from studs and bulls - its a very innocuous procedure. They have a make-believe cow/mare, complete with female anatomy and hormones, the horse or bull mounts the make-believe "girl" and does his thing, dismounts, is taken away, and the semen is in a special vial under the make-believe girl. No trama, no nasty things (they do sometimes do a "tease" with a real mare/cow beforehand). Much better procedure than they used to do. (no, you do not want to know).

Shaun7,

Why do I think its like comparing apples and oranges? First - women are not "pets" - whether you are married or not, you don't "own" a woman.
So, a reference to an animal versus a human is a totally different thing. People (apples) livestock (oranges).

Where I live if you leave your stock trailer unattended at the local auction you may find a
horse tied to it when you come back

That is hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spotted saddle horses are still bringing a premium out this way. But, basically, I think its the economy. In Arizona, we were paying $220 a ton for hay - Fuel costs were just so high, and its just not economical to feed animals when you are having trouble making ends meet. Animals are expensive - they need vetting, feed, innoculations and all those other things.




Gotta say, though - horsemeat is still in dog food, you just have to know what to look for.

http://www.thatmutt.com/2009/01/25/is-there-horse-meat-in-dog-food/

And, from Snopes:

Animal (origin) glue is made from connective tissue, found in hoofs, bones, tendons, ligaments, and cartilage in vertebrate animals.

Rendering plants are the recycling links in the food chain. They take fat and bone trimmings from grocery stores, waste scraps from restaurants, and dead animals. They cook the meat and fat products together and grind it up. It's used for animal feed and non-edible products like soap, various lubricants, and of course glue--the heavy kind that's used to glue furniture together, for example.

But as I say, the rendering plant isn't the only possible destination for a horse that's outlived its usefulness. Horsemeat is considered a delicacy in some countries. Some slaughterhouses will happily accept and process horsemeat if it's commercially feasible. I've read that they buy horses in the United States for about 50 cents a pound and sell the horsemeat overseas for about $15 a pound.

However, bucking horses and bulls are "put out to pasture" - which means they get to play with the "girls" for the rest of their lives, being fed, housed, taken care of, and making more bucking horses and bulls.

Beth

 

[Dave44]

There is a huge billboard near Richmond on I 95 that decries these shops. They are a bit crazy about it.

 

[Dave44]

Yes Tee, But not everyone wants a top of the line horse!

I always loved Quarter horses, I didn't ride a thoroughbred till well into my thirties. I am glad my living no longer requires a horse though. They are a lot more fun for recreation!

 

[ivan salis]

tired poor human workers with aching backs and hurting feet forced to work long hours (much longer than 8 seconds) to support themselves and /or family -- really - it is sad the animal got hurt during the process of riding him --but human workers are forced to work despite being hurt , tired or sick --due to the fiscal pressure to feed and take care of themselves and their family .