treasure1822
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Anyone know where borehole "C" is located on the island
Borehole "C"
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Each time a borehole is sunk and nothing found they then adopt the logic that they 'just missed again', so put a number of subordinate holes around it.
Which means there is now a number of boreholes with the designation 'C' in the area where the original C went in.
It's all part of the BS peddled that 'no one knows where the original pit is anymore'.
Which means there is now a number of boreholes with the designation 'C' in the area where the original C went in.
It's all part of the BS peddled that 'no one knows where the original pit is anymore'.
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That was something I never understood. With all the drawings and the such different searchers made no one bothered to locate the original MP Hole to anything substantial for the next group to use. Yes, they all thought they'd be the ones to find a treasure and no need for them to worry about it afterwards, but you would have thought they'd have done for themselves, whoever was the first one to ruin the whole site, so they'd know where to reference back too..
The following is the report written by Captain Bowdoin that was published in 1911.
You don't see or hear about it much due to what it reveals.
Basically Bowdoin was assured by many that a treasure was there.
After doing a proper search he discovered that it was all BS and the he had been lied to.
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OAK ISLAND, one of the three hundred-odd islands in Mahone Bay, Nova Scotia, has been a spot of peculiar interest for a hundred years or more, owing to the legend of vast a treasure buried by pirates in a pit over one hundred – feet deep, said to be flooded by water let in from the bay through an underground tunnel. According to the legend, they dug the tunnel from the Money Pit to Smith’s Cove, over six hundred feet distant. Further, the legend is that in 1795 three young men—Smith, McGinnis, and Vaughan—landed and began strolling about on the then uninhabited island, among the great oak-trees which gave the island its name. They came across a small clearing, in the center of which was a large oak-tree. From one of the lower limbs hung a block and tackle. Directly beneath this was a circular depression in the ground about twelve feet in diameter. It looked as though something had been buried—treasure, of course —so they decided to dig it up. When they returned with shovels, the tide was unusually low, and they discovered a great iron ringbolt imbedded in a rock; a boatswain’s stone whistle was picked up, and, later, a copper coin bearing the date 1713 was found. After digging a few feet they found they were in a well-defined shaft, the walls be in g hard, while the center was soft. At every ten feet they found a layer of planking. At a depth of thirty feet, the work being too heavy for them, they gave up.
Six or seven years later Dr. Lynds of Truro visited the island; talked with Smith, McGinnis, and Vaughan; returned to Truro, and formed a company and resumed the digging. Marks were found every ten feet, and at ninety feet a large flat stone was found, upon which was a curious inscription. The stone was taken to Halifax, and one expert declared the characters read as follows:
“Ten feet below two million pounds lie buried.”
In 1849 another company began digging in the Money Pit, but was flooded out. Next, men were sent to the island with a boring apparatus that was used in those days in prospecting for coal. At ninety-eight feet a layer of planking five inches thick was struck; the auger dropped twelve inches, and then it went through four inches of oak; then it went through twenty-two inches of metal in pieces; it then went through eight inches of oak, the bottom of one box and top of another; then
through twenty-two inches of metal in pieces, as before; then through four inches of oak and six inches of spruce; then seven feet into clay without striking anything.
In withdrawing the auger three links resembling an ancient watch-chain were brought up. The next boring struck the platform at ninety-eight feet; passing through this, the auger fell eighteen inches and came in contact with, as supposed, the side of a cask. The flat chisel revolving close to the side of the cask gave it a jerky, irregular motion. On withdrawing the auger several splinters of oak were found. The distance between the upper and lower platforms was six feet. In 1850 another shaft was put down near the Money Pit, and flooded out; then, with horse-power gins, they bailed night and day for a week. They discovered that the water was salt, and that it rose and fell in the shafts with the tides.
Acting on the theory that if the water had come through a natural channel the pirates would not have been able to bury their treasure so deep without being flooded out, it was figured that the pirates themselves had dug an underground tunnel to the shore to protect their treasure. A search was made to discover the inlet.
A well-constructed drain was found at Smith’s Cove between low and high water mark, and in order to keep the water out while digging in the drain a coffer-dam was built, enclosing this part of the beach. The coffer-dam did not stand, however, and was abandoned. More shafts were sunk, but they caved in, or were flooded, and work was suspended.
Nearly forty years later, in 1896, another company was organized, and started work with powerful steam pumps and other apparatus. Several shafts were sunk, but the pumps could not keep the water out. Boring apparatus was then installed. Oak was struck at one hundred and twenty-five feet; at one hundred and fifty-three feet they struck cement six inches thick; directly under this cement they found five inches of oak wood; when through the wood the auger dropped one and one-half inches, and rested on soft metal. They carefully withdrew the auger and kept the borings brought up with it. Among these borings was found a very small piece of sheepskin parchment, upon which was written, or printed, two letters—”vi.”
Several other borings were made, and boxes filled with metal in pieces were struck, but no samples of the metal could be secured. The company being out of funds, work was abandoned.
Having hunted treasure in the South, with more or less success, enjoying an adventure of any kind, and feeling that my engineering ability was equal to the occasion, I took hold of the project.
I saw the piece of sheepskin parchment, the holder of which has paid a yearly lease on the property since it was found. The man who did the boring was with me at Oak Island and believes absolutely in the legend. I have seen the rock found in the Money Pit, which is now in Creighton’s bookbindery in Halifax.
With a few more adventurous spirits I formed a company; I secured a permit from the Canadian Government, and left New York August 18, 1909, arriving in Halifax, Nova Scotia, August 20. Some machinery was sent from New York and more purchased in Halifax. We landed on Oak Island August 27.
While in Halifax we examined the stone found in the Money Pit, the characters on which were supposed to mean: “Ten feet below two million pounds lie buried.” The rock is of a basalt type, hard and fine-grained.
Not being able to locate the tunnel, we hauled our machinery to the Money Pit; erected derricks and built our camp.
There are two pits side by side, the Money Pit, five feet by seven feet, heavily cribbed to one hundred and ten feet, and another pit, seven feet by seven feet, built by the last expedition. We found the Money Pit floored over at the water’s edge, thirty feet below the surface, and partly filled with rocks and dirt. This accumulation was cleaned out, the cribbing strengthened in places, and the flooring removed.
In sounding, we found an obstruction ten feet under water. A pump was set at work and the water lowered thirty feet, disclosing a cross-beam in the center of the pit with a platform every ten feet and ladders from platform to platform. The pump was removed, and with our orange-peel bucket and other gear we broke out the cross-beams, platforms, and ladders to one hundred and seven feet. Our diver was sent down to make an examination. He reported the cribbing in bad shape and the bottom covered with plank and timber sticking up in all directions.
The bucket was again put to work, clearing the pit to one hundred and thirteen feet. As the pit was not cribbed below this point, we decided to locate the treasure with our core-drill and then sink a caisson down to it. The man showed us the spot where he had bored and brought up the sheepskin parchment, after passing through cement at one hundred and fifty feet. He had bored with a chisel in a pipe and with an auger on a long rod.
We cut through six inches, and withdrew the core so as to start clean on the box of gold. The core showed a solid piece of cement about six inches long. Our hopes ran high. The drill was again placed in position and started: down it went through eighteen feet of yellow clay and stones to a bed-rock of hard white clay, or gypsum and quartz, one hundred and sixty-seven feet from the surface. We had missed the box of gold that time; but try again.
We did. We put down holes vertically, and with as wide angles as possible, so that a larger space than the area of the pit was perforated with holes to depths of from one hundred and fifty-five feet to one hundred and seventy-one feet, and so placed that anything over two feet square must have been struck. We struck cement six inches to ten inches thick at depths of one hundred and forty-six feet to one hundred and forty-nine feet, but no traces of boxes, treasure, or anything of that kind.
The cement was analyzed by Professor Chandler of Columbia University, and found to be natural limestone pitted by the action of water. This was also the opinion of Professor Kemp, Professor of Geology at Columbia University, and of Dr. Woolson, an expert on building materials and cement, of Columbia University.
We housed the machinery and gear, and left Oak Island November 4, 1909.
My experience proved to me that there was not, and never was, a buried treasure on Oak Island. The mystery is solved.
(a) There was no need to bury it so deep.
(b) Below the cribbed part of the pit is natural formation, which would not be the case if filled in.
(c) Our borings prove it.
SECOND—There is no tunnel from the Money Pit to Smith’s Cove. Because:
(a) It is over six hundred feet to Smith’s Cove, while but one hundred and fifty feet to the nearest shore on that side of the island.
(b) It would have been a long and tremendous operation to dig such a tunnel by hand over one | hundred feet underground.
(c) The opening, or drain, could not have been kept open on a sea beach.
THIRD--Water did not reach the Money Pit through a tunnel. Because:
(a) Water was always struck at the level of the seventeen-foot strata of coarse gravel and sand.
(b) It was salt water and percolated through from the bay, one hundred and fifty feet away.
(c) The more it was pumped the easier it came; the sand settling to the bottom of the strata; the clay above remaining intact.
FOURTH--There never was a ring-bolt on the beach. Because:
(a) It was easier to tie a line to an oak-tree than to drill a hole in a rock and set in a ring-bolt.
(b) There are still a number of large oak-trees at Smith’s Cove.
FIFTH–No borings ever brought up links of chain or anything valuable. | Because:
(a) Such things do not stick to a flat chisel, or auger, through one hundred and twenty feet of water.
(b) Different operators found the treasure at different depths, from one hundred and ten feet to one hundred and fifty feet, all in a five-by-seven hole. The treasure must have dropped forty feet.
(c) The sheepskin parchment was not found by the man who did the boring. The borings were sent to the home office of the company, and the first examination showed nothing. A later examination was made, and the sheepskin parchment discovered. (I understand that more stock was then sold and most work done, without result.)
SIXTH–There never were any characters on to rock found in the Money Pit. Because:
(a) The rock, being hard, they could not wear off.
(b) There are a few scratches, etc., made by Creighton’s employees, as they acknowledged, but there is not, and never was, a system of characters carved on the stone.
You don't see or hear about it much due to what it reveals.
Basically Bowdoin was assured by many that a treasure was there.
After doing a proper search he discovered that it was all BS and the he had been lied to.
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Solving the Mystery of Oak Island
The Hundred-Year Search for the $10,000,000 Supposed to Have Been Buried by Pirates
By H. L. BOWDOINOAK ISLAND, one of the three hundred-odd islands in Mahone Bay, Nova Scotia, has been a spot of peculiar interest for a hundred years or more, owing to the legend of vast a treasure buried by pirates in a pit over one hundred – feet deep, said to be flooded by water let in from the bay through an underground tunnel. According to the legend, they dug the tunnel from the Money Pit to Smith’s Cove, over six hundred feet distant. Further, the legend is that in 1795 three young men—Smith, McGinnis, and Vaughan—landed and began strolling about on the then uninhabited island, among the great oak-trees which gave the island its name. They came across a small clearing, in the center of which was a large oak-tree. From one of the lower limbs hung a block and tackle. Directly beneath this was a circular depression in the ground about twelve feet in diameter. It looked as though something had been buried—treasure, of course —so they decided to dig it up. When they returned with shovels, the tide was unusually low, and they discovered a great iron ringbolt imbedded in a rock; a boatswain’s stone whistle was picked up, and, later, a copper coin bearing the date 1713 was found. After digging a few feet they found they were in a well-defined shaft, the walls be in g hard, while the center was soft. At every ten feet they found a layer of planking. At a depth of thirty feet, the work being too heavy for them, they gave up.
Six or seven years later Dr. Lynds of Truro visited the island; talked with Smith, McGinnis, and Vaughan; returned to Truro, and formed a company and resumed the digging. Marks were found every ten feet, and at ninety feet a large flat stone was found, upon which was a curious inscription. The stone was taken to Halifax, and one expert declared the characters read as follows:
“Ten feet below two million pounds lie buried.”
Too Much Water
NINETY-FIVE feet was reached on a Saturday night, and on Monday morning the shaft was found to be full of water. They tried to bail out the water, but, finding this impossible, decided to sink a new and deeper shaft near the old pit, so that by tunneling beneath the treasure it could be taken out from below. The shaft was dug, but the water flooded them out at one hundred and ten feet, and ended the operations of the company.In 1849 another company began digging in the Money Pit, but was flooded out. Next, men were sent to the island with a boring apparatus that was used in those days in prospecting for coal. At ninety-eight feet a layer of planking five inches thick was struck; the auger dropped twelve inches, and then it went through four inches of oak; then it went through twenty-two inches of metal in pieces; it then went through eight inches of oak, the bottom of one box and top of another; then
through twenty-two inches of metal in pieces, as before; then through four inches of oak and six inches of spruce; then seven feet into clay without striking anything.
In withdrawing the auger three links resembling an ancient watch-chain were brought up. The next boring struck the platform at ninety-eight feet; passing through this, the auger fell eighteen inches and came in contact with, as supposed, the side of a cask. The flat chisel revolving close to the side of the cask gave it a jerky, irregular motion. On withdrawing the auger several splinters of oak were found. The distance between the upper and lower platforms was six feet. In 1850 another shaft was put down near the Money Pit, and flooded out; then, with horse-power gins, they bailed night and day for a week. They discovered that the water was salt, and that it rose and fell in the shafts with the tides.
Acting on the theory that if the water had come through a natural channel the pirates would not have been able to bury their treasure so deep without being flooded out, it was figured that the pirates themselves had dug an underground tunnel to the shore to protect their treasure. A search was made to discover the inlet.
A well-constructed drain was found at Smith’s Cove between low and high water mark, and in order to keep the water out while digging in the drain a coffer-dam was built, enclosing this part of the beach. The coffer-dam did not stand, however, and was abandoned. More shafts were sunk, but they caved in, or were flooded, and work was suspended.
Nearly forty years later, in 1896, another company was organized, and started work with powerful steam pumps and other apparatus. Several shafts were sunk, but the pumps could not keep the water out. Boring apparatus was then installed. Oak was struck at one hundred and twenty-five feet; at one hundred and fifty-three feet they struck cement six inches thick; directly under this cement they found five inches of oak wood; when through the wood the auger dropped one and one-half inches, and rested on soft metal. They carefully withdrew the auger and kept the borings brought up with it. Among these borings was found a very small piece of sheepskin parchment, upon which was written, or printed, two letters—”vi.”
Several other borings were made, and boxes filled with metal in pieces were struck, but no samples of the metal could be secured. The company being out of funds, work was abandoned.
Another Attempt
SO RAN the legend of Oak Island when it was brought to my attention early in the year 1909. It was represented that the treasure was surely there; that there were two tunnels leading from the shore to the Money Pit, and that their exact locations were known, but that no one could stop them up so that the water could not reach the Money Pit.Having hunted treasure in the South, with more or less success, enjoying an adventure of any kind, and feeling that my engineering ability was equal to the occasion, I took hold of the project.
I saw the piece of sheepskin parchment, the holder of which has paid a yearly lease on the property since it was found. The man who did the boring was with me at Oak Island and believes absolutely in the legend. I have seen the rock found in the Money Pit, which is now in Creighton’s bookbindery in Halifax.
With a few more adventurous spirits I formed a company; I secured a permit from the Canadian Government, and left New York August 18, 1909, arriving in Halifax, Nova Scotia, August 20. Some machinery was sent from New York and more purchased in Halifax. We landed on Oak Island August 27.
While in Halifax we examined the stone found in the Money Pit, the characters on which were supposed to mean: “Ten feet below two million pounds lie buried.” The rock is of a basalt type, hard and fine-grained.
Exploring the Island
OUR machinery and stores were landed at Smith’s Cove, and we made an examination of the island, guided by the man who had charge of the last expedition, who brought up the piece of sheepskin parchment, and who had located the two tunnels leading to the Money Pit. We saw the remains of the coffer-dam built in 1850 around the drain and entrance to one tunnel. We found no evidence whatever of a drain or entrance to a tunnel; the beach is of the same character all along. The coffer-dam itself is dry at low water, and the ring-bolt in the rock has disappeared.Locating the Pits
THE man showed us a depression a few feet back from the beach where he had put down a five-inch pipe and struck the tunnel at seventy-five feet, and his belief was that the tunnel ended in a shaft somewhere off the beach in deep water. How such a shaft could be built and kept open for a hundred years he could not explain.Not being able to locate the tunnel, we hauled our machinery to the Money Pit; erected derricks and built our camp.
There are two pits side by side, the Money Pit, five feet by seven feet, heavily cribbed to one hundred and ten feet, and another pit, seven feet by seven feet, built by the last expedition. We found the Money Pit floored over at the water’s edge, thirty feet below the surface, and partly filled with rocks and dirt. This accumulation was cleaned out, the cribbing strengthened in places, and the flooring removed.
In sounding, we found an obstruction ten feet under water. A pump was set at work and the water lowered thirty feet, disclosing a cross-beam in the center of the pit with a platform every ten feet and ladders from platform to platform. The pump was removed, and with our orange-peel bucket and other gear we broke out the cross-beams, platforms, and ladders to one hundred and seven feet. Our diver was sent down to make an examination. He reported the cribbing in bad shape and the bottom covered with plank and timber sticking up in all directions.
The bucket was again put to work, clearing the pit to one hundred and thirteen feet. As the pit was not cribbed below this point, we decided to locate the treasure with our core-drill and then sink a caisson down to it. The man showed us the spot where he had bored and brought up the sheepskin parchment, after passing through cement at one hundred and fifty feet. He had bored with a chisel in a pipe and with an auger on a long rod.
Boring for the Box
A CORE-DRILL brings up a core or continuous piece of the material through which it goes, one and a half, or more, inches in diameter. The bit will cut through metal or rock, so that in boring through a box containing gold or treasure a fine sample would be brought up. We bored in the spot indicated: through seventeen feet of course gravel and sand; then sixteen feet of blue clay, small stones, and sand, and struck the cement at one hundred and forty-nine feet, as predicted.We cut through six inches, and withdrew the core so as to start clean on the box of gold. The core showed a solid piece of cement about six inches long. Our hopes ran high. The drill was again placed in position and started: down it went through eighteen feet of yellow clay and stones to a bed-rock of hard white clay, or gypsum and quartz, one hundred and sixty-seven feet from the surface. We had missed the box of gold that time; but try again.
We did. We put down holes vertically, and with as wide angles as possible, so that a larger space than the area of the pit was perforated with holes to depths of from one hundred and fifty-five feet to one hundred and seventy-one feet, and so placed that anything over two feet square must have been struck. We struck cement six inches to ten inches thick at depths of one hundred and forty-six feet to one hundred and forty-nine feet, but no traces of boxes, treasure, or anything of that kind.
The cement was analyzed by Professor Chandler of Columbia University, and found to be natural limestone pitted by the action of water. This was also the opinion of Professor Kemp, Professor of Geology at Columbia University, and of Dr. Woolson, an expert on building materials and cement, of Columbia University.
We housed the machinery and gear, and left Oak Island November 4, 1909.
My experience proved to me that there was not, and never was, a buried treasure on Oak Island. The mystery is solved.
Conclusions
FIRST—There never was a pirate, or other, treasure buried in the Money Pit at Oak Island. Because:(a) There was no need to bury it so deep.
(b) Below the cribbed part of the pit is natural formation, which would not be the case if filled in.
(c) Our borings prove it.
SECOND—There is no tunnel from the Money Pit to Smith’s Cove. Because:
(a) It is over six hundred feet to Smith’s Cove, while but one hundred and fifty feet to the nearest shore on that side of the island.
(b) It would have been a long and tremendous operation to dig such a tunnel by hand over one | hundred feet underground.
(c) The opening, or drain, could not have been kept open on a sea beach.
THIRD--Water did not reach the Money Pit through a tunnel. Because:
(a) Water was always struck at the level of the seventeen-foot strata of coarse gravel and sand.
(b) It was salt water and percolated through from the bay, one hundred and fifty feet away.
(c) The more it was pumped the easier it came; the sand settling to the bottom of the strata; the clay above remaining intact.
FOURTH--There never was a ring-bolt on the beach. Because:
(a) It was easier to tie a line to an oak-tree than to drill a hole in a rock and set in a ring-bolt.
(b) There are still a number of large oak-trees at Smith’s Cove.
FIFTH–No borings ever brought up links of chain or anything valuable. | Because:
(a) Such things do not stick to a flat chisel, or auger, through one hundred and twenty feet of water.
(b) Different operators found the treasure at different depths, from one hundred and ten feet to one hundred and fifty feet, all in a five-by-seven hole. The treasure must have dropped forty feet.
(c) The sheepskin parchment was not found by the man who did the boring. The borings were sent to the home office of the company, and the first examination showed nothing. A later examination was made, and the sheepskin parchment discovered. (I understand that more stock was then sold and most work done, without result.)
SIXTH–There never were any characters on to rock found in the Money Pit. Because:
(a) The rock, being hard, they could not wear off.
(b) There are a few scratches, etc., made by Creighton’s employees, as they acknowledged, but there is not, and never was, a system of characters carved on the stone.
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treasure1822
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Let's stop and think about this. According to Fredrick Blair when he excavated the "Cave in Pit", he took the bucket to 52' in depth and found timbers but no water. He described the bottom as being undercut for a bigger area. His next move was a drill to push deeper, water! The cave in pit discovered in 1868 by a woman who was plowing her field with an Ox and the ground under the Ox dropped 12' in and area about 9' in diameter. Why was there a 12' void? It wasn't washed out by water, there was none. Lets see 52' minus 12' is 40', 40' below. Where is the arch in a cylinder? The wall.
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my question has allways been, there where allot of tunnels and pits dug there a really long time ago, so why? mining? mining what? someone did a lot of work there and must have had a good reason.
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Look at Rosalynn Chapel, the 7 Deadly sins and the 7 virtues...Greed and Charity are reversed...The Templars were persecuted for their charity and the monarchy and church were virtuous for their greed. I believe the Templars were an Enochian Order, or the right hand of God just as Enoch was chosen by God. Enoch was shown a great abyss by the angel Ural where the 200 fallen angels were sent, but he also created a vault in honor of God where on the lowest level the lied a equilateral triangle of gold which contained the name of god. The description of the money pit in a way parallels the description of Enochs vault but it can also be compared to Purgatory as described by Dante's Inferno. The Templars told no lie, the treasure lies 40 feet below, just not at the money pit. The pit was used for punishment for greed.
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ahh, it is just a plain old bored hole. nothing exciting to see there. i know, i bored verticle and horizontal holes fer a livin fer 41yrs. just plain old bored holes.
Don’t get too high of hopes for any real gains on that show.
Spoiler alert: Gilligan didn’t get off the island for a long time. IMO both shows are comedies with a lot of sand and water. 👍🏼 I think Gilligan’s mother’s maiden name was Lagina. 😆
Spoiler alert: Gilligan didn’t get off the island for a long time. IMO both shows are comedies with a lot of sand and water. 👍🏼 I think Gilligan’s mother’s maiden name was Lagina. 😆
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