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BRAZILIAN EMERALDS ON THE 1715 FLEET??

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A week or two ago someone posted that some Brazilian Emeralds had been found on a 1715 Fleet lease. I can't find the post now and was wondering if anyone had anymore info as I can't seem to verify it. I think they said the Polly L found them but there is nothing on their site (that I can find anyway).

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Many Many years ago perhaps around 1977 or 1980, Treasure Hunting Mag had a story with pictures of the large emeralds that were found on the 1750 Plate fleet. So just check the back issues. I have the mags in the garage from the early years but it would take forever to go through them.
 
jimb said:
Many Many years ago perhaps around 1977 or 1980, Treasure Hunting Mag had a story with pictures of the large emeralds that were found on the 1750 Plate fleet. So just check the back issues. I have the mags in the garage from the early years but it would take forever to go through them.

Thanx but these are supposed to have been recent finds and I had never heard of any emeralds accept the Colombian, Muzo Mine Emeralds being on the 1715 Fleet. Personally, I think it's BS for several reasons but if it is true I'd like to see the verification.

Deepsix
 
I posted a question not long ago asking IF there had been any documented proof that the Spanish brought Brazil emeralds onto their ships. I do not believe I got a response. It makes me wonder if Brazilian emeralds are that much lesser in quality the Spanish didn't bother?
 
BillyBudd007 said:
I posted a question not long ago asking IF there had been any documented proof that the Spanish brought Brazil emeralds onto their ships. I do not believe I got a response. It makes me wonder if Brazilian emeralds are that much lesser in quality the Spanish didn't bother?

Thanx for posting. It helped me find the original post I was looking for. Actually, you made a statement first. Then the question. You stated:

"This is a little off topic, however I am providing a link to the Amelia Recovery group. They have posted under "Romancing the Stone" that "Brazilian" emeralds (not Colombian) were recently found.

I wonder if there is any other documentation anywhere...that also verifies the Spanish carried Brazilian emeralds.

Sorry, didn't mean to hijack your thread, bu the Polly works the 1715 Fleet I believe.


lol!! Heres the link.. http://www.ameliaresearch.com/pages/middle.htm

What I'm looking for is the "Romancing the Stone" site as Emelia Research seems to have no mention of it on their site.

In all of my volumes of info on the 1715 Fleet I have never heard of anything except the Colombian emeralds being on the Fleet. Yes, the Colombian emeralds were and still are #1 in quality even if the quality now is not generally the same as it was then.

Deepsix
 
Romancing the stone can be found via this link. Just click on the ethic conservation area then scroll down and look to the right of the page were the add for the Sanhurst Hotel is and just below this is the write up on the stone. Hope this helped.

http://ameliaresearch.com/frames/main.htm
 
Bottlemanstx said:
Romancing the stone can be found via this link. Just click on the ethic conservation area then scroll down and look to the right of the page were the add for the Sanhurst Hotel is and just below this is the write up on the stone. Hope this helped.

http://ameliaresearch.com/frames/main.htm

Thank you, that is a super help. The reason I'm interested is that through the years I have found several emeralds on a particular beach on the East Coast. Because they have been ID as Brazilian emeralds, I've thought they may have come from a wreck other then a 1715 one. I never considered the possibility that they were being smuggled. I'll definitely have to look into this more.

THANX for your post!!!!

Deepsix
 
Well, at the request of several people, I took a couple of pictures of some of the beach found emeralds I have but am having trouble uploading them. Will keep trying.

Deepsix
 
Well, at least I got it to load. The quarter will give you an idea of actual size of the emeralds. Look for chunks of broken green glass like the old coke bottles. You'll get a good idea of what they look like in the sand. The second picture is of the two larger emeralds in the first with a little better lighting.

Deepsix
 

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Honestly they are 'cabochon' quality. Not truly facet quality. Some folks really enjoy the dark sea green-blue color they can show.

I find the history of where and when you found quite interesting and would like to hear some more details if you can.

Thanks for posting.
 
Don't get me wrong. If you can somehow provide verification these came from a Spanish ship...I think the connection would increase the value a thousand times. I am posting a small Colombian gem quality stone just for comparison. You see through it like glass. This is facet quality. But again, if there is a connection to seafarers I think you've got a big story.

Good Luck
 

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LMAO!!!! Whatever....lol. I'll be sure to give the appraiser your opinion. He'll get a kick out of it. Nice stone by the way that you posted. As I stated before, these were found on the beach (some near the dune line and some in various shell deposits), not out on a wreck. Anyway, have a great day!!!!

Deepsix
 
WOW I know I would never have had the sense to pick those up! Now I know better! Thanks for posting the picture! They are incredible!
 
Deepsix,
I know of quite a few that have been found,
But almost all were picked up off the beach.
Quite a bunch were posted sometime back here on T-Net.
They can be found pretty easy if you can get a search going.
 
Old Dog said:
Deepsix,
I know of quite a few that have been found,
But almost all were picked up off the beach.
Quite a bunch were posted sometime back here on T-Net.
They can be found pretty easy if you can get a search going.

Were they Colombian or Brazilian?? There have been a large number of Colombian, Muzo Mine Emeralds found all along the beaches but I was never aware that Brazilian emeralds were on the fleet. There were literely hundreds of crates of emeralds listed on the manifests.

Mine are definitely Brazilian. My appraiser is one of the top rated Emerald experts in the world. I'm still not thinking they are off a 1715 wreck but even the slight possibility is intriguing. It's to bad mine weren't stashed in a Conch Shell like the Polly L find was. What a rush that must have been.

Research, research, research, I love it....lol. Thanx for your post!!!!

Deepsix
 
Between 1995 and 1998, a couple of Disney resort members were walking along the shoreline picking up shells. The spied several little "green" stones about the size of their thumb nails. They picked up about 12 of the largest ones as they later stated of a larger quantity had washed in. When they returned home up north and they showed a relative their shells and "green" stones from their trip. The relative was a gemologist and told the couple that the green stones were in fact rough cut Emeralds. :oA call was made to Mel Fisher's museum and they were told that the Emeralds were not on the cargo manifest so they must have been contraband that was being smuggled in.
Some may try to play down this story as folklore but the story came from Mel Fisher himself before he passed away in 1998. I always tell TH'ers who detect the 1715 shorelines to be watchful for any "green" stones that might be washing in. According to a 1980 Gemstone Manual, a rough cut Emerald starts at $200 a carat which has probably inflated greatly since and even at $200 that isn't anything to shrug off. :thumbsup:
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Here is another treasure tip that I saw in the 1980's when I belonged to a TH'ing club. Two TH'ers were hunting the wet sand from Flagler Beach in New Symrna Beach to Ponce Inlet on the wet sand. They found several black wax balls that resembled "Grape Shot". Taking a knife and splitting one of the balls revealed an 1790's 8 Reale and a 2 carat facet rough Emerald. :oThey'd found about 5 - 8 Reales and one 1799 US Silver dollar, all MS-60 plus 6 - 2 carat faceted Emeralds arranged on top of each coin. Surely the black wax balls were contraband from some unknown wreck disguished as "Grape Shot". But this is no tale, I saw the coins and stones myself sitting on the table. Of course the "Where" was asked by many and the only answer was between the two points that was mentioned above. This couple knew the exact spot where they found the "black balls" and I'm sure they searched the area many times since but did they get them all? :thumbsup: :coffee2:
Good luck in your TH'ing.
 
I suspect your expert is in deed THE expert and his shop is in Jupiter Fl. I would like to visit his shop one day.

HH
 
Keep in mind that the "1715 shoreline" you speak of also has wrecks from both earlier and later periods. In fact, the wreck right off the Disney Resort is from 1618, not 1715.
 
mad4wrecks said:
Keep in mind that the "1715 shoreline" you speak of also has wrecks from both earlier and later periods. In fact, the wreck right off the Disney Resort is from 1618, not 1715.

Would love to hear more.

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