✅ SOLVED Button Information/ Other Metals WW I Era

[krednosreg45]

Hunted a spot that I've been going to which was an old military training camp during the Mexican revolution right on the Arizona/ Mexican Border.. Any information would be helpful.. I know the great seal military buttons are pretty common. However one is pretty big.. one is a metal of sorts and then there is a piece I found that says U.S. 24...

 

[krednosreg45]

Back Side Pic of Larger Metal

 

[Old Pueblo]

Congrats my friend. Those are some amazing finds. Are you still hunting in the Bisbee area?

 

[Old Pueblo]

Those two .45 casings probably have dates on the bottom. Check it out and tell me what they say. I cant remember what the little "US" thing is, but Im thinking it was some kind of seal, and its from the cavalry (with the two cavalry sabers). The large button looking thing Im thinking is a rosette from a cavalryman's horse.

 

[Old Pueblo]

And that crusty thing with the wire looks like some kind of lead seal.

 

[krednosreg45]

Thanks Old Pueblo super helpful! Trying to do a little more research on the specific site.. Yeah Bisbee area.. Bullets case on the bottom "F A 12 14" Unfired bullets seem interesting for the area... like they may be military

 

[Old Pueblo]

Thanks Old Pueblo super helpful! Trying to do a little more research on the specific site.. Yeah Bisbee area.. Bullets case on the bottom "F A 12 14" Unfired bullets seem interesting for the area... like they may be military

Definitely military, FA 12 14 stands for Frankford Arsenal (The Military's arsenal) and the month of December and the year 1914. Congrats. Finding a whole bullet is neat, I usually only find spent casings.

 

[Old Pueblo]

The larger bullets looks like theyre from the Krag-Jorgensen, which was still in use back around that time. The smaller one is a .45.

 

[Old Pueblo]

As for the buttons. We will need to see what they say on the back to put a date on them, but I can say right now that they date from 1910 to 1933 at the very latest, but are most likely World War I era from the late 1910s (1917-1919).

 

[krednosreg45]

Wow thats awesome!!! That is great information... Found many other fired bullets that look to be of the same caliber/ size. Appreciate it immensely!

 

[krednosreg45]

One button says "Evans & Co" and then something "Falls" gonna check the button databases. Figure there all from around the same era..

 

[Old Pueblo]

Probably. If this site you're hunting is one of the larger, main base camps like Camp Harry Jones or Camp Little in Nogales, the buttons could have come from the 1920s, even up to 1933, when these larger base camps along the border were closed. If its from one of the smaller outposts, its most likely from the World War I time period. And since you found that 1914 bullet, the buttons are probably from the 1910s as well. Most of the smaller camps were only active for a few years during World War I, whereas the larger camps like Jones and Little were open from about 1910 (before World War I) all the way up to 1933, which is long after World War I.

 

[krednosreg45]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-WW...n-D-Evans-Co-Attleboro-Falls-MA-/263032538517

Bingo...

 

[krednosreg45]

Yeah, I suspect it was one of the smaller camps I suppose.. The area I'm at I found exploring around some back roads in-between Douglass and Bisbee close to the border... Saw some purple glass glimmering and some raised dirt piles figured it could be part of an old dump site as well for the military.

 

[nhbenz]

The cavalry thingy is an equipment tag, fastened to canvas equipment and web belts, in the timeframe mentioned for the other stuff. 1923 would be the later end of the date range on the buttons, since they appear to have the black finish on them which they stopped doing in 1923.

 

[Old Pueblo]

To be more clear, your buttons are almost certainly World War I era from the 1910s. Even if they were found at one of the larger camps I mentioned, they're still most likely from World War I because these large base camps, as well as the smaller outposts, saw their greatest amount of activity during the WW1 years. There were more troops posted in these camps in the late 1910s than at any other point in their history.

 

[Old Pueblo]

Yeah, I suspect it was one of the smaller camps I suppose.. The area I'm at I found exploring around some back roads in-between Douglass and Bisbee close to the border... Saw some purple glass glimmering and some raised dirt piles figured it could be part of an old dump site as well for the military.

Definitely one of the smaller camps, then. There were only a few of the larger camps here in AZ on the border, the one in Douglas, the one in Nogales, and another one in Naco, which is still standing. Have you seen it?

 

[krednosreg45]

Forsure, no I haven't ventured far enough West to Nogales but would be curious to check it out! I think you guys helped me identify everything, last the big metal seal... But Im assuming some kind of clothing decor/seal.. Anyway you guys are awesome! Would probably be still scrambling around on the internet trying to identify stuff haha...

 

[Old Pueblo]

The camp in Naco is now owned by Huachuca City I think it is and is being restored. It used to be wide open, but some scumbag burned several of the commanding officers quarters and so they installed chain link fences around all of the old buildings.

 

[krednosreg45]

Oh thats a bummer, why would you destroy such amazing history.. People are crazy.