✅ SOLVED Button Information/ Other Metals WW I Era

[krednosreg45]

Hunted a spot that I've been going to which was an old military training camp during the Mexican revolution right on the Arizona/ Mexican Border.. Any information would be helpful.. I know the great seal military buttons are pretty common. However one is pretty big.. one is a metal of sorts and then there is a piece I found that says U.S. 24...

 

[A2coins]

great finds

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

I did some research for you on your 24th US Cavalry Regiment tag-or-leather-decoration. (The stamped-sheetbrass dome with three "foldover" tabs on its rim, for attachment to thick leather or other material.) The 24th US Cav was a "Buffalo Soldiers" cav regiment, meaning, its enlisted-men were African-Americans. It was reorganized into an Artillery unit in October 1917.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/2-82fa.htm
"In October 1917, the 24th Cavalry was reorganized and reequipped as an artillery regiment and on 1 November 1917 redesignated as the 82nd Field Artillery Regiment."

Few modern Americans seem to know about the brief (March 1916 to 1919) US-Mexico War, in which the US Army invaded Mexico as a result of cross-border raids by Pancho Villa. At the order of US President Woodrow Wilson, US General John J. Pershing of World War One fame led his troops into Mexico in March 1916, finally withdrawing them a year later, March 1917. Some troops from the US 24th Cavalry got themselves captured, whom the Mexican Government used as a bargaining chip to get the US to withdraw from Mexican soil.
Down Mexico Way | Shot in the Dark

I suspect your 24th Cavalry tag/ornament, which you found in Arizona, a US-Mexico "border state," was lost there during the actions against Mexico. The December 1914 date-stamp on your .45-caliber bullets, combined with the October 1917 ending of the 24th Cavalry, establishes the time-frame of your finds.

Your .45-caliber cartridges marked FA 12 14 (Frankford Arsenal Dec. 1914) are for the newly-invented and now world-famous US Army Colt Model-1911 Automatic Pistol. I should mention, they were also used in the equally famous Thompson Submachine Gun, also known as the "Tommy Gun."

The large brass disc with a brass bar across its back is a US Army "Great Seal" rosette from a horse's bridle. It was first issued around 1904. You can see one in the photo below, which shows a US Model-1909 bit-&-bridle harness assembly.

I'll also include a photo showing the domed sheetbrass 3-tab leather accouterment/decorations, on a horse's "backband saddle."

 

[Old Pueblo]

And remember, use a wooden toothpick for cleaning the dirt off of those, if there is any. That stuff is in great shape so you wont have to soak anything in vinegar or something. Cleaning it with vinegar or something like that will also reduce its value.

 

[Old Pueblo]

I did some research for you on your 24th US Cavalry Regiment tag-or-leather-decoration. (The stamped-sheetbrass dome with three "foldover" tabs on its rim, for attachment to thick leather or other material.) The 24th US Cav was a Buffalo Soldiers" cav regiment, meaning, its enlisted-men were African-Americans. It was reorganized into an Artillery unit in October 1917.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/2-82fa.htm
"In October 1917, the 24th Cavalry was reorganized and reequipped as an artillery regiment and on 1 November 1917 redesignated as the 82nd Field Artillery Regiment."

Few modern Americans seem to know about the brief (March 1917 to 1919) US-Mexican War, in which the US Army invaded Mexico as a result of cross-border raids by Pancho Villa. At the order of US President Woodrow Wilson, US General John J. Pershing of World War One fame led his troops into Mexico in March 1916, finally withdrawing them a year later, March 1917. Some troops from the US 24th Cavalry got themselves captured, whom the Mexican Government used as a bargaining chip to get the US to withdraw from Mexican soil.
Down Mexico Way | Shot in the Dark

I suspect your 24th Cavalry tag/ornament, which you found in Arizona, a "border state," was lost there during the actions against Mexico. The December 1914 date-stamp on your .45-caliber bullets, combined with the October 1917 ending of the 24th Cavalry, establishes the time-frame of your finds.

Your .45-caliber cartridges marked FA 12 14 are for the newly-invented and now world-famous US Army Colt Model-1911 Automatic Pistol. I should mention, they were also used in the equally famous Thompson Submachine Gun, also known as the "Tommy Gun."

The large brass disc with a brass bar across its back is a US Army "Great Seal" rosette from a horse's bridle. It was first issued around 1904. You can see one in the photo below, which shows a US Model-1909 bit-&-bridle harness assembly.

I'll also include a photo showing the domed sheetbrass 3-tab leather accouterment/decorations, on a horse's "backband saddle."

I had a feeling it was 24th Cavalry.

 

[krednosreg45]

Wow I'm speechless thank you guys! Thank you Cannonball Guy! Thats amazing I'm beyond appreciative and excited to hear that these pieces are from such a historical time period...

 

[Old Pueblo]

About cleaning. The 24th Cavalry tag is stunning. No cleaning required. Cleaning it with anything would ruin it. The rosette looks like it will clean up very nicely with a wooden toothpick and the same with the dirty buttons. You can even use it on the casings to see what dates are hiding under the crust.

 

[krednosreg45]

So just sort of scrape pick carefully with the tooth picks?

 

[Old Pueblo]

And make sure you show us a photo of your finds all cleaned up, should you decide to clean them up.

 

[Old Pueblo]

So just sort of scrape pick carefully with the tooth picks?

Yes, if its a wooden toothpick it wont scratch the metal. And you'll be able to feel it. If it feels like its just not coming off no matter how much pressure you put on it it, leave that area be or it could break. These are all desert finds, though, so you probably will not have any trouble with that. Since you have more than one button now, try it out on a button or even on the bottom of a bullet casing, and you will see what I mean very fast.

 

[krednosreg45]

Okay great I already started cleaning and it makes a huge difference.. Promise to put up pictures I tell you this hobby is addicting... I want to go find more hahah.

 

[fyrffytr1]

I think you will find traces of a black finish on your buttons. That will date them between 1910 and 1923.

 

[Old Pueblo]

Okay great I already started cleaning and it makes a huge difference.. Promise to put up pictures I tell you this hobby is addicting... I want to go find more hahah.

Sorry I didnt get back to you sooner. My phone stopped working when I left the house last night. And I know exactly what you mean. You made some great discoveries.