buying a pendulem

[barber]

Where would one find a place to buy a pendulem {I know, it's prob'ly spelled wrong} Thanks for any info. Another question, does a person have to have a specific article, {i/e bought} or can you just use a homemade thing, like a ring on a string?

 

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[teleprospector]

Hello Barber,
Just do a search on line for pendulum. There are many places on there to buy one.
There are so may places online that you will probably become overwhelmed with the chioces.
You may also check out a rock/crystal or new age shop in your area. Many of these establishments sell pendulums. Select a pendulum that feels good to you and one that you are attracted to.
Tying a ring or a metal nut to a string will give you a no cost opportunity to give the dowsing phenomenon a try. Should you decide to go further after that I suggest to buy one that is better in quality.
If you have more questions after you get one, just ask on here and someone will help you.
Hope this helps,
Jon

 

[Ted Groves]

Where would one find a place to buy a pendulem {I know, it's prob'ly spelled wrong} Thanks for any info. Another question, does a person have to have a specific article, {i/e bought} or can you just use a homemade thing, like a ring on a string?

No need to buy a pendulum. You can experience ALL of the same effects and learn a lot by simply making yourself a homemade pendulum, or L-rod.

You might want to look at my website, which has FREE plans for both.

Only by trying dowsing, and fairly evaluating it, will you learn the truth about dowsing.

 

[aarthrj3811]

http://sites.google.com/site/dowsingtruth/Home/learn-the-secret-force-that-moves-all-dowsing-tools
The absolute truth is this; The secret force that is responsible for the movement of all dowsing instruments (ie. L-rods, LRLs, swing rods, bobbers, Y-rods or pendulums) is something known as an ideomotor effect.
The ideomotor effect is really not that complicated but it is something that very few dowsers actually understand. Additionally, the few that do understand it, generally refuse to accept the fact it IS what makes their dowsing instrument move. They find it is much more agreeable to their individual belief systems, if they imagine that external physical things are responsible, as were mentioned above.
An ideomotor effect is simply the influence that suggestion or expectation can have on unconscious motor behavior. The key word here is unconscious, and few if any dowsers understand that term, and exactly the implications.

I just went to your web site like you said. A few minutes of reading and I do have a couple of questions
If the Ideomotor Effects or the Ideomotor Response Is a involuntary unconscious movement of the hands and wrist I would like to know the following.
1….How come the only people who this type of unconscious movement seems to affect are Dowsers and LRL users?
2. How come this does not affect a Baseball Pitcher? They seem to have perfect control of their hand and wrist.
3,,,How about a Tennis Player. I don’t see any of them having any problems with unconscious movement of the hands.
4. How come this does not affect Bowlers. They use their hands and wrist.

Or…Could it be that every human uses the Ideomotor Response every day to do work and chores. I am pretty sure it is called a Taught Ideomotor Response or a Trained Ideomotor Response.
You should be ashamed of your self for trying to led these poor people down the wrong path with 1862 theories….Art

 

[Carl-NC]

Art, you're confusing motor memory, which is a trained voluntary response, with ideomotor, which is involuntary.

Also, it's 1852, not 1862. Amazingly, a lot of things discovered and described in the 1800's are still valid today. Most of the foundations of electrical theory were formulated back then which I continue to use today. One of my favorite electrical scientists is Michael Faraday who discovered induction (1831), the very foundation of metal detectors. Interestingly, he also did research on ideomotor as applied to table turning.

 

[Ted Groves]

Art, you're confusing motor memory, which is a trained voluntary response, with ideomotor, which is involuntary.

Also, it's 1852, not 1862. Amazingly, a lot of things discovered and described in the 1800's are still valid today. Most of the foundations of electrical theory were formulated back then which I continue to use today. One of my favorite electrical scientists is Michael Faraday who discovered induction (1831), the very foundation of metal detectors. Interestingly, he also did research on ideomotor as applied to table turning.

Art is very confused about a lot of things. Whether by design or by accident is really of no consequence, but he does spew a lot of bad and erroneous information. Since he is on my Iggy list, I rarely see a lot of his ramblings, but occasionally I do see it in other poster's quotes.

Thanks for the assist.

Update: Thanks for the warming, Art. I can use all the warm regards you have to offer.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Thanks Ted for giving people a good example of you Posting MO. What a joke you guys are…The only reason you guy’s come to the internet is to stop the free flow of information about out hobby. I am just giving the people who come here and rely on getting good advice a warming as to who you are and why you are here. When one shows up others will follow.. Art

 

[aarthrj3811]

Re: buying a pendulem
Reply To This Topic #4 Posted Yesterday at 10:40:08 PM Quote

Art, you're confusing motor memory, which is a trained voluntary response, with ideomotor, which is involuntary.

Also, it's 1852, not 1862. Amazingly, a lot of things discovered and described in the 1800's are still valid today. Most of the foundations of electrical theory were formulated back then which I continue to use today. One of my favorite electrical scientists is Michael Faraday who discovered induction (1831), the very foundation of metal detectors. Interestingly, he also did research on ideomotor as applied to table turning.

It is real simple to show that your whole concept is wrong in the modern days. Just type Taught Ideomotor or Training the Ideomotor into Google and you will find millions of articles. I know you guys will never do that search because it would crush your belief system….Just go away …Art

 

[Carl-NC]

It is real simple to show that your whole concept is wrong in the modern days. Just type Taught Ideomotor or Training the Ideomotor into Google and you will find millions of articles. I know you guys will never do that search because it would crush your belief system….Just go away …Art

If I Google http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=%22taught+ideomotor%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=bcdf8cbbf06dc4f"]"taught ideomotor"[/url] I get all of 4 hits, one of which was a post of yours. The others had nothing to do with training ideomotor reactions.

If I Google http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=%22trained+ideomotor%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=bcdf8cbbf06dc4f"]"trained ideomotor"[/url] I get 9 hits, 8 of which are from the LRL forums.

If I Google http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=%22ideomotor+training%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=bcdf8cbbf06dc4f"]"ideomotor training"[/url] I get a lot more hits (844) that refer to the use of imagery in performing mental preparation, usually in sports. I would question whether this is truly training any kind of ideomotor response, or whether it is a method of reinforcing motor memory.

In any case, it is pretty clear that a pitcher who throws thousands of pitches to perfect his throw is using motor memory techniques. If you were to Google http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=%22motor+memory%22&aq=f&aqi=g3&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=bcdf8cbbf06dc4f"]"motor memory" [/url] (127,000 hits) or http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=%22muscle+memory%22&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=bcdf8cbbf06dc4f"]"muscle memory"[/url] (285,000 hits) then you won't have to take my word for it. In fact, try http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=%22muscle+memory%22+pitcher&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=bcdf8cbbf06dc4f"]"motor memory" pitching[/url] to see it discussed with pitching in particular. I've provided convenient links if you aren't inclined to type those phrases into Google.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Results 1 - 10 of about 15,900 for taught ideomotor. (
Results 1 - 10 of about 10,200 for Taught ideomotor response.
Results 1 - 10 of about 9,330 for Taught ideomotor effects
Results 1 - 10 of about 16,900 for trained ideomotor
Results 1 - 10 of about 11,900 for trained ideomotor response.
Results 1 - 10 of about 22,100 for trained ideomotor effect.
As usual you guys always try to misdirect …

Now are w going to help this kid or juist keep wasting Bandwith...Art

 

[barber]

What kid?

 

[aarthrj3811]

Sorry if you are not a kid. Anyone under 50 is a kid to me.
I use an old Mechanical Pencil that I fount in my Mothers junk. It is 2 ½ inches long. I have had good success using it….Art

 

[barber]

I sometimes wish I was a kid, I'm 78

 

[aarthrj3811]

Hey barbar….Sorry for disrupting your thread. I get upset when those guy’s try to scam people when someone wants some advice. Use any pendulum that feels good to you. They work for some people and do not for others….Art

 

[barber]

That's ok, every one has an opinion, and I'm trying to learn,

 

[Ted Groves]

That's ok, every one has an opinion, and I'm trying to learn,

Learning is good. Give dowsing a try. Judge it fairly. Try to get a dowsing response on known targets in plain sight. Then test it on totally unknown targets, you have no prior knowledge of, and quickly you will learn what dowsing is all about.

The Truth About Dowsing will be yours....