can you identify these indian wars bullets?

[alderan33]

Hey guys.
Can you help identifying these bullets?

1) .58
2) .479
3) .44
4) .45
5) .45
6) .35
7) .44WX.50H

The last item is some kind of button or ornament. I don't think it's complete.

Thanks for any help. HH

 

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[TheCannonballGuy]

For accurate ID of bullets, we often need to see a base-view photo of the bullet. In your case, base-view photos of bullets 2, 4, and 5 are needed.

Bullet #1 is a "generic" yankee 3-groove Minie-ball for the muzzleloading Springfield .58 rifle.
Bullet #2 resembles an 1870s US Army .45 Revolver cartridge-bullet, but isn't an exact match. Need to see the base.
Bullet #3 would seem to be a 12mm LeFaucheux revolver pinfire-cartridge bullet. That ID is based on your bullet appearing to have just 4 rifling-grooves from the weapon which fired it. My reference-info on the rifling-groove count of 1840s-to-1870s firearms lists only one gun with 4-groove rifling ..the 12mm LeFaucheux pinfire revolver.
Bullet #4: No ID yet, without seeing its base.
Bullet #5's profile indicates it is a 20th-century "Wadcutter" bullet (for target-shooting). But I've never seen one with what looks like a small 4-sided hole in its nose. So, either somebody drove a square-nail into its nose, or it is not a bullet. Need a photo of its base.
Bullet #6 is a 20th-century "Wadcutter" bullet.
Bullet #7 is a .44 pistol ball. I can't get an accurate count of the rifling-grooves on it in your photo. Remington .44 revolver had 5 grooves. The Kerr .44 revolver and the Starr .44 revolver had 6 grooves. The Colt .44 revolver and the Tucker & Sherrod .44 revolver had 7 grooves.

 

[alderan33]

Thanks Cannonball Guy. I will post pics of the bases of 2,4 and 5 tomorrow morning. Any ideas on the last item?

 

[alderan33]

More pics

Here are some pictures of the bases of the bullets Cannonball Guy requested.
Also I took one of the top of number 5. It doesn't look like a nail impression because it doesn't arrive at a point. The indention is a perfect square.

Thanks for the help. HH

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

First (because you asked)... I do not know for certain what the large thin brass disc is. The bit of "decoration" around its edge indicates it is some sort of ornamental item, such as a horse-harness ornament.

Thank you for making and posting the new photos. They show that all three of those bullets have a flat solid base, which is an important ID-clue.

Unfortunately, I need some more photos. Please make some additional ones showing bullets #2, 4, and 5 from a "90-degree sideview." Meaning, put the bullets on the very edge of a tabletop and lean down to take the photo with the camera held perfectly horizontally (not at an "overhead" angle). And, please show a different side of the bullets than in the previous photos.

Also, if possible, please try to give me a count of the rifling-grooves on them, if you think you can get an accurate count. (The 4 grooves on bullet #3 were the key to identifying it.)

And, please use your digital calipers to give me super-accurate measurements of the three bullets' exact diamter, and length, in hundredths-of-an-inch.

Here's a photo as an example of a "90-degree sideview." (I'll also include a baseview photo.) It's a US Army Model-1874 Colt .45 Revolver bullet, made by the Frankford Arsenal. Your bullet #2 may be a slight variation of the bullet in the photo, with the difference due to being made by a different manufacturer.

 

[stefen]

The title states the bullets are Indian War bullets...that a fact or just a guess to bring importance to the post?