Columbuss Lost Ships
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Re: Columbus's Lost Ships
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Lost document reveals Columbus as tyrant of the Caribbean
Giles Tremlett in Madrid
Monday August 7, 2006
The Guardian
Christopher Columbus, the man credited with discovering the Americas, was a greedy and vindictive tyrant who saved some of his most violent punishments for his own followers, according to a document uncovered by Spanish historians.
As governor and viceroy of the Indies, Columbus imposed iron discipline on the first Spanish colony in the Americas, in what is now the Caribbean country of Dominican Republic. Punishments included cutting off people's ears and noses, parading women naked through the streets and selling them into slavery.
"Columbus' government was characterized by a form of tyranny," Consuelo Varela, a Spanish historian who has seen the document, told journalists.
One man caught stealing corn had his nose and ears cut off, was placed in shackles and was then auctioned off as a slave. A woman who dared to suggest that Columbus was of lowly birth was punished by his brother Bartolomé, who had also traveled to the Caribbean. She was stripped naked and paraded around the colony on the back of a mule.
"Bartolomé ordered that her tongue be cut out," said Ms Varela. "Christopher congratulated him for defending the family."
The evidence has been found in a previously lost report drawn up at the time for the Spanish monarchs as they became worried by growing rumors of Columbus' barbarity and avarice. The document was written by a member of an order of religious knights, the Order of Calatrava, who had been asked to investigate the allegations against Columbus by Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand, who ruled Spain together at the time.
The report, by Francisco de Bobadilla, lay undiscovered in a state archive in the Spanish city of Valladolid until last year. Bobadilla had already been named governor of the Indies, replacing Columbus, at the time of the report.
The 48-page document gathers evidence from Columbus' enemies and supporters of his seven-year reign. Ms Varela, one of the two Spanish historians to have studied the document, described life in the colony as "horrifying and hard".
Bobadilla collected the testimonies of 23 people who had seen or heard about the treatment meted out by Columbus and his brothers. "Even those who loved him had to admit the atrocities that had taken place," Ms Varela said.
Columbus and his brothers were forced to travel back to Spain. Columbus was in chains but, although he never recovered his titles, he was set free and allowed to sail back to the Caribbean.
"Columbus and his brothers come across in the text as tyrants," Ms Varela said. "Now one can understand why he was sacked and we can see that there were good reasons for doing so.
"The monarchs wanted someone who did not give them problems. Columbus did not solve problems, he created them."
A little more on our friend Chris...
Lost document reveals Columbus as tyrant of the Caribbean
Giles Tremlett in Madrid
Monday August 7, 2006
The Guardian
Christopher Columbus, the man credited with discovering the Americas, was a greedy and vindictive tyrant who saved some of his most violent punishments for his own followers, according to a document uncovered by Spanish historians.
As governor and viceroy of the Indies, Columbus imposed iron discipline on the first Spanish colony in the Americas, in what is now the Caribbean country of Dominican Republic. Punishments included cutting off people's ears and noses, parading women naked through the streets and selling them into slavery.
"Columbus' government was characterized by a form of tyranny," Consuelo Varela, a Spanish historian who has seen the document, told journalists.
One man caught stealing corn had his nose and ears cut off, was placed in shackles and was then auctioned off as a slave. A woman who dared to suggest that Columbus was of lowly birth was punished by his brother Bartolomé, who had also traveled to the Caribbean. She was stripped naked and paraded around the colony on the back of a mule.
"Bartolomé ordered that her tongue be cut out," said Ms Varela. "Christopher congratulated him for defending the family."
The evidence has been found in a previously lost report drawn up at the time for the Spanish monarchs as they became worried by growing rumors of Columbus' barbarity and avarice. The document was written by a member of an order of religious knights, the Order of Calatrava, who had been asked to investigate the allegations against Columbus by Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand, who ruled Spain together at the time.
The report, by Francisco de Bobadilla, lay undiscovered in a state archive in the Spanish city of Valladolid until last year. Bobadilla had already been named governor of the Indies, replacing Columbus, at the time of the report.
The 48-page document gathers evidence from Columbus' enemies and supporters of his seven-year reign. Ms Varela, one of the two Spanish historians to have studied the document, described life in the colony as "horrifying and hard".
Bobadilla collected the testimonies of 23 people who had seen or heard about the treatment meted out by Columbus and his brothers. "Even those who loved him had to admit the atrocities that had taken place," Ms Varela said.
Columbus and his brothers were forced to travel back to Spain. Columbus was in chains but, although he never recovered his titles, he was set free and allowed to sail back to the Caribbean.
"Columbus and his brothers come across in the text as tyrants," Ms Varela said. "Now one can understand why he was sacked and we can see that there were good reasons for doing so.
"The monarchs wanted someone who did not give them problems. Columbus did not solve problems, he created them."
Re: Columbus's Lost Ships
I am not trying to justify or excuse the behaviour of the Conquistadors towards the New World Indians, but remember that they had some pretty nasty people too. Montezuma and the Aztecs, for example, and about whom a load of romanticised rubbish has often been written were incredibly cruel and savage to the neighboring nations that they imposed themselves on. Many, many thousands were sacrificed by cutting their hearts out while they were still alive. Most recent dictators look like choir boys when compared to Montezuma.
It was an even crueler world back then.
Mariner
I am not trying to justify or excuse the behaviour of the Conquistadors towards the New World Indians, but remember that they had some pretty nasty people too. Montezuma and the Aztecs, for example, and about whom a load of romanticised rubbish has often been written were incredibly cruel and savage to the neighboring nations that they imposed themselves on. Many, many thousands were sacrificed by cutting their hearts out while they were still alive. Most recent dictators look like choir boys when compared to Montezuma.
It was an even crueler world back then.
Mariner
Re: Columbus's Lost Ships
Thats all well and good but we did not make heros of the Mayan or Aztec Indians and I cannot recall ever reading anything romantic about either group. Maybe there are some stories but I cannot read Glifs. But without the Bad Guys there would be no Treasure Hunters
and that means no Forum 
. Now that would be BAD .
Peg Leg
Thats all well and good but we did not make heros of the Mayan or Aztec Indians and I cannot recall ever reading anything romantic about either group. Maybe there are some stories but I cannot read Glifs. But without the Bad Guys there would be no Treasure Hunters
and that means no Forum . Now that would be BAD .Peg Leg
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