Copper I dug today ?????

[Flyingbuy]

I dug this coin in an old farm's field today, it was the only coin I found, but I hope to return to continue detecting. It one of the heavier coppers I've pulled up . It's not in any of my books but I'm sure someone here will be able to ID it ??

Thanks ~ Rich
Think I found it ? 1792 Half Penny Druid Anglesey Mines Condor Token. It look like the 1788 one I found online

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Looks like a 1792 date.

 

[CRUSADER]

If found over here it would be a Druid Anglesey Mines halfpenny Token, no idea why its called Condor when found in the US? Anyone?

 

[PBK]

No idea why its called Condor when found in the US? Anyone?

Actually, it's Conder— a reference to James Conder, an early cataloger of such tokens. In 1789 he published An Arrangement of Provincial Coins, Tokens, and Medalets Issued in Great Britain, Ireland, and the Colonies, Within the Last Twenty Years, from the Farthing to the Penny Size.

Today, the best (and most expensive!) reference on these is Dalton & Hamer's Provincial Token Coinage of the 18th Century.

 

[CRUSADER]

No idea why its called Condor when found in the US? Anyone?

Actually, it's Conder— a reference to James Conder, an early cataloger of such tokens. In 1789 he published
An Arrangement of Provincial Coins, Tokens, and Medalets Issued In Great Britain, Ireland, and the Colonies, Within the Last Twenty Years, From the Farthing to the Penny Size.

Today, the best (and most expensive!) reference on these is Dalton & Hamer's Provincial Token Coinage of the 18th Century.

Thanks for that, as I guessed, nothing really to do with an ID, more a nickname.

 

[One mans trash...]

Sure looks like the PMC, but I sure can't find one quite like this. The bust looks more like a Roman head, which was used on some tokens but none I can find that matches the rest. And the edge reeding is clearly different, as is the wreath, which surely isn't at all like the other. And the odd position of the date. I know it's easy to get fooled on the portrait when there's heavy wear, but I can't fit this one into the druid. Maybe you have something really rare. I try to convince myself the letters aren't PMC, but I keep coming back to that. As many things like this as are displayed, you'd think a match would have popped up somewhere.

I wonder if it's not 1791.

 

[Woodland Detectors]

cool education! Thanks

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Looks like a match to me except for the date is on the bottom.. The mint mark (if thats what it is) looks almost like a D instead of an O. Could this be possible? I know nothing about these.

 

[One mans trash...]

Okay. Got it. The portrait was the druid. I just couldn't see it until I rotated to the left. But here's a 1791 with the course reeding, date on the bottom, flattish wreath.

 

[Flyingbuy]

Okay. Got it. The portrait was the druid. I just couldn't see it until I rotated to the left. But here's a 1791 with the course reeding, date on the bottom, flattish wreath.

Thanks so much for the help IDing this coin !! I live on Martha's Vineyard ,an island that during the 1800's saw thousands of ships in port on an annual basis. I have found many coins from far different countries. ~ Rich

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

If found over here it would be a Druid Anglesey Mines halfpenny Token, no idea why its called Condor when found in the US? Anyone?

Great ID Crusader. Great folow up PBK and One Mans Trash.



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[Bigcypresshunter]

I have one question. Is this a mint mark?

 

[Flyingbuy]

I have one question. Is this a mint mark?

Yes, the " 0 " is a mint mark that is quite visable on the coin but not showing well in the photo.

 

[One mans trash...]

I don't remember from reading about these. It that a mint mark, or is it an "o," making it PMCo for Company? Doesn't seem to be present in the only one I could find pictured, although the only image I could find was small. I find one site describing the logo as "PMCo": "The reverse has a cipher PMCo over which the letters..." Because the "o" is a bit tilted, I'm inclined to believe it's Co(mpany), and the logo was varied according to whether someone happened to think it was better or worse with that design. I seem to recall that some similar tokens bore the initials of a person done in the same style, and using the "Co" might reasonably be done to denote that it was a company logo, rather than a person.