CRUSADER HOLIDAY IDEA?

[Silver Searcher]

I guess that depends on if you are paying for the postage and insurance costs--I know this can be expensive. Probably at least $150 to mail the stuff to the US, the export license is pretty cheap and I think easy to fill out...of course my in-laws are in Bath so you can send mine there ... My wife is British (now also an American citizen) and so I know that England is generally expensive for Americans especially restaurant food and accomodations. 200 - 300 pounds Sterling (if that includes shipping and export license fee) would be a good target...if you can hit that target sign me up as your first member! /QUOTE]If it can be done, then a self catering cottage or two would be the way to keep costs down, the food costs could be shared by each of the parties. example £20 per head per day buys a lot of food.

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[Silver Searcher]

The full guidance is below, its some time since I last read it, but I think you may be under estimating the effort. You assume the FLO can ID these in the first place, until they do, (can be 11 months with backlog) the paperwork can not be filled in. Thats what I bring to the table, instant IDs. No way will our FLO ID on site.

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That's what I said, no need for FLO id's, lets face it the chances are most finds will be quite common for us.

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[CRUSADER]

I guess that depends on if you are paying for the postage and insurance costs--I know this can be expensive. Probably at least $150 to mail the stuff to the US, the export license is pretty cheap and I think easy to fill out...of course my in-laws are in Bath so you can send mine there ... My wife is British (now also an American citizen) and so I know that England is generally expensive for Americans especially restaurant food and accomodations. 200 - 300 pounds Sterling (if that includes shipping and export license fee) would be a good target...if you can hit that target sign me up as your first member!

Too low to be give up my detecting time. (£200 to owner) Your £100 for a weeks worth of finds to be IDed, photos, postage, insurance etc is not worth it. I would be giving up good/prime hunting time for nothing.
£300 without the paperwork & postage etc is fine, you can give the problem to your Bath friends.

 

[Erik in NJ]

Too low to be give up my detecting time. (£200 to owner) Your £100 for a weeks worth of finds to be IDed, photos, postage, insurance etc is not worth it. I would be giving up good/prime hunting time for nothing.
£300 without the paperwork & postage etc is fine, you can give the problem to your Bath friends.

I'm assuming that you would be hunting with us during the week. The IDing can be done at you leisure as I don't think anyone would NEED to have their finds in the post in a few weeks. 200 to the landowner per person seems a bit high, no? I would have thought 50 - 100 would be sufficient, but I don't know them, you do (I gave the farmer in Southpool a couple bottles of wine for detecting on their land for a week and I've heard of UK guys giving the farmer's wife a box of chocolates at Christmas, though I know some are looking for more these days). I would do 300 without the paperwork and postage though I was thinking 300 is what would be a reasonable price for the lot (for the other US guys). I'd do it only because I don't get enough detecting time in the UK--it's a bit expensive, but what the ****. The folks in Bath are my family--I didn't say they were my friends

 

[Erik in NJ]

You may want to look at it from the angle of helping out 12 US TNET members having an experience in the UK that they may not be able to achieve otherwise as well as being able to hopefully salvage the majority of the history on that land. I know your time is valuable, but the friendships that come out of the week may far surpass the cost a bit of lost detecting time. Just a thought.

 

[CRUSADER]

I'm assuming that you would be hunting with us during the week. The IDing can be done at you leisure as I don't think anyone would NEED to have their finds in the post in a few weeks. 200 to the landowner per person seems a bit high, no? I would have thought 50 - 100 would be sufficient, but I don't know them, you do (I gave the farmer in Southpool a couple bottles of wine for detecting on their land for a week and I've heard of UK guys giving the farmer's wife a box of chocolates at Christmas, though I know some are looking for more these days). I would do 300 without the paperwork and postage though I was thinking 300 is what would be a reasonable price for the lot (for the other US guys). I'd do it only because I don't get enough detecting time in the UK--it's a bit expensive, but what the ****. The folks in Bath are my family--I didn't say they were my friends

I've yet to talk to the owner, I maybe able to get a much better deal. I just wanted no room for a NO.

Every farmer is different. Some we give hundreds of £££s to keep our finds. On our last 2 weeks of hunting we will be paying £200 just to keep our finds. Some farmers want nothing, if any of you can get permission on land that is 'good' & the research is done, for a bottle of wine then crack on. Its cost us hundreds of finds & lots of money to do what we do.

 

[Silver Searcher]

I've yet to talk to the owner, I maybe able to get a much better deal. I just wanted no room for a NO.

Every farmer is different. Some we give hundreds of £££s to keep our finds. On our last 2 weeks of hunting we will be paying £200 just to keep our finds. Some farmers want nothing, if any of you can get permission on land the is 'good' & the research is done, for a bottle of wine then crack on. Its cost us hundreds of finds & lots of money to do what we do.

So what you are saying is, you want to save History before it's gone, but you want a bunch of folks, to pay you to help.

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[Iron Patch]

Free hunt at Cru's... count me in! I'll just reroute my flight through New York and buy a Yankees hat, and that should be good enough.

 

[CRUSADER]

You may want to look at it from the angle of helping out 12 US TNET members having an experience in the UK that they may not be able to achieve otherwise as well as being able to hopefully salvage the majority of the history on that land. I know your time is valuable, but the friendships that come out of the week may far surpass the cost a bit of lost detecting time. Just a thought.

Lets put it another way.

You would not expect to go on a sole rights land for a better deal than the resident detectorist? Would you?

So if you want my terms, the deal is this. The owner gets 25% of all your finds. You get first refusal but pay them 50% of any item valued over hundred pounds (I judge based on market value minus fees). However, how honest are you, I need only the most trusted & I make the choice, & I may need references from your owners.

You pay £100 to charity of the owners choice & £50 to me. You do all the paperwork etc. That is my best offer.

 

[Erik in NJ]

I understand and no offense meant--you asked for input and I'm trying to give you my honest and practical opinion. Unfortunately I don't see any other US guys chiming in on this thread...like I said previously, keep it reasonable (the economy here in the US still sucks) and I for one am in. I would like to leverage my in-laws and possibly some friends in the UK in order to keep my costs down. I do have some detecting friends in the Bath/Bristol area that could easily ID and catalog my finds, so that may help in my case. Anyway I think the whole endeavor is a nice idea and I'd like to see it work.

I've yet to talk to the owner, I maybe able to get a much better deal. I just wanted no room for a NO.

Every farmer is different. Some we give hundreds of £££s to keep our finds. On our last 2 weeks of hunting we will be paying £200 just to keep our finds. Some farmers want nothing, if any of you can get permission on land the is 'good' & the research is done, for a bottle of wine then crack on. Its cost us hundreds of finds & lots of money to do what we do.

 

[CRUSADER]

So what you are saying is, you want to save History before it's gone, but you want a bunch of folks, to pay you to help.

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I'm saying, the owner is not going to give US people a better deal than me. Simple.

 

[Erik in NJ]

I may need references from your owners.

You mean my wife -- no way in hell will I get a good reference from her!! I'm out!

 

[CRUSADER]

You mean my wife -- no way in hell will I get a good reference from her!! I'm out!

The point is, most detecting is done on trust. It took us years to get this. When we shake hands the owner knows our reputation & our bond is our word. No disrespect, but the owner doesn't know you from Adam & I can't vouch for you, can I?

Money pays for the keeping of your finds etc..

 

[Erik in NJ]

How about 100 to the land owner for the week, 50 to you, members pay ALL costs including license, postage, insurance, and for your time in IDing and photographing finds (you decide the rate for this), also for your time and gas to post the items to the US. Keep it a la carte a bit and it seems to work out well. You get 600 right off the top just for getting us access to the property, the landowner gets 1200, and then all the IDing and stuff gives you a chance to make more money. I think this is a win-win situation.

 

[Erik in NJ]

The 100 per person should be sufficient to keep the finds. If anything valueable is found then the landowner gets 50% through the Treasure Act.

 

[CRUSADER]

How about 100 to the land owner for the week, 50 to you, members pay ALL costs including license, postage, insurance, and for your time in IDing and photographing finds (you decide the rate for this), also for your time and gas to post the items to the US. Keep it a la carte a bit and it seems to work out well. You get 600 right off the top just for getting us access to the property, the landowner gets 1200, and then all the IDing and stuff gives you a chance to make more money. I think this is a win-win situation.

Now we are getting close. I hope I've explained things well. Our success is not cheap & has taken years of goodwill, 1 bad event like this could ruin us. Every farmer talks to each other, the risk is on me & my reputation.

I think the paperwork postage etc is worth about £90 per person minimum! Assuming people DO NOT post junk like lead etc.

Plus all this talk is subject to landowner approval & can change at any point.

 

[CRUSADER]

The 100 per person should be sufficient to keep the finds. If anything valueable is found then the landowner gets 50% through the Treasure Act.

The clause about Treasure will not change.

 

[alanbeans]

Sounds cool!

but if you own the land and its being developed, why is there a farmer involved....?

I'm sure a few home grown Brits would be interested too?

Not at those prices sounds like a rip off to me unlikely to get flo to attend she's far to busy
you can get a days detecting for as little as a fiver on club searches and it all goes to charity

 

[CRUSADER]

Not at those prices sounds like a rip off to me unlikely to get flo to attend she's far to busy

That was my point all along, the FLO is max out. Whats your clubs offer?

 

[CRUSADER]

Not at those prices sounds like a rip off to me unlikely to get flo to attend she's far to busy
you can get a days detecting for as little as a fiver on club searches and it all goes to charity

As you have edited, I will respond. Your Club can give the US people a good option for £5 (£25/week), just put up a link to your site & rally?