Darren:)

[Rogue One]

Darren

Have read Treasure Net over the years...........It's great to see someone still dedicated to this profession. May i ask what projects you have going on? Where do you think the Industry is going?

Are costs coming down on salvaging? Other thoughts and comments?

Thanks

Rick

 

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[Darren in NC]

Hello Rick. Do we know each other?

It's great to see someone still dedicated to this profession.

There's a lot of guys like myself still here since the 90s. They're many others still dedicated to thunting, and not here, too.

May i ask what projects you have going on?

You can ask, but the smart ones never tell.

Where do you think the Industry is going?

I believe it is going as it always has. Newbies pouring in all the time. Many give up when they realize it costs too much to end up with empty dreams. Veterans always have fun stories, and a few secrets they'll rarely tell. Small, quiet projects will outlast the publicly traded company projects, as recoveries of the "big ones" are pretty much long gone. Research should always be ongoing, but I suspect lobster divers and fishermen will find more than than the researchers. Overall, I think the industry is as strong as it's ever been.

Are costs coming down on salvaging?

Ha! Have they ever gone down in the history of this industry?

Other thoughts and comments?

You can't stay in the industry on results. You stay in because of the hope of results. Guys who don't get results in short order soon leave - and should. I have spent decades looking. My friends and I have found a few small things. But I have never found the big one. Wouldn't tell you if I did. But hope fuels us. I would never recommend to anyone to do this full-time. But if you can maintain other ways to make a living, and do this on the side, the journey itself is rewarding. I am a better man for having so many friends here I trust. At the end of the day, those friendships are my real treasure.

-Peace

 

[SADS 669]

Great reply Darren,

If I might give an opinion, spending time building people's trust in the industry goes such a long way!

The treasure had better be in the search and not necessarily the find, the old days of really big finds shallow are probably gone, but we all still look and that's great.....who knows?

If you build trust important people give you potentially valuable info, I can attest to this!!

 

[Mackaydon]

Are costs coming down? Certainly not.
More than thirty years ago Marx told me that $1 spent on research will save me $10 at sea.
Today, I would be surprised if $1 of research wouldn't save me at least $30 at sea--especially now, with the Internet.
Don......

 

[Rogue One]

Thanks everyone Years ago.........We 1st tried coming in with Dave Horner down at Jupiter Inlet........Wasn't going to pay $2K to dive for a day, with all the recoveries going to the State.

Then Tammy Fisher was fun to talk to.........Their lease fees where 85% at the time. Ben Benson was brilliant, after the fight with Spain he never really went back in. Always liked Bob Weller he gave anyone the time of day...........

Tommy Thompson he lived in Columbus Ohio was still shinning bright back then.

We started a LLC with shipwrecks it never took off...........The main reason? Costs

It still seems anything out of the States is a harder game. Don't know if that's changing?

Rick

 

[Mackaydon]

Rogue,
Were you going to dive with Dave Horner from the R/V Explorer?
Don.....

 

[Rogue One]

That's was a long time ago..............We sent 2 people down there to meet Horner............Some how in the communication things became mixed up. Horner thought he was talking to millionaires, and whats $2K for them to dive a day?

Always liked Horner (the book he wrote actually changed my life at 16) back then his 10,000 coin recovery wasn't going well in Ecuador.......We ended up in Ecuador. not with Horner, Another long story..........

Did get to meet Joe Barnett. Back then he was the Master Diver at Jupiter with the Explorer. Barnett last I saw had his own thing going............Should drop him a line

 

[DeepseekerADS]

Rogue,

You began your participation in TNet attacking some good people - friends, and you were cautioned twice by mods.

First impressions count a whole lot, and you were displaying pretty negative behavior. Bad negative energy my friend!

Now you're showing a different side of perhaps some "expertise"?

We're all friends here, and certainly we'd rather welcome you as a friend. Peace in the future?

Keep the faith, we've got some really cool people here.

 

[Rogue One]

Let Gordon get to me, something they pulled years ago......... Highly competitive by nature, Nothing is handed to you in this world, and don't except such. Have to tone it down a few notches

 

[Mackaydon]

Rogue,
I partnered with Horner and Lou Ullian at Jupiter.
My boat was the R/V Explorer.
I also partnered with them (and others) in Ecuador where, again, the "Explorer" was used as the salvage vessel.
We were the catalyst to get salvage laws changed to a 50-50 split with the government. Many other TH-ers then came to Ecuador.
Don......

 

[Rogue One]

Rogue,
I partnered with Horner and Lou Ullian at Jupiter.
My boat was the R/V Explorer.
I also partnered with them (and others) in Ecuador where, again, the "Explorer" was used as the salvage vessel.
We were the catalyst to get salvage laws changed to a 50-50 split with the government. Many other TH-ers then came to Ecuador.
Don......

Small world

I'm up on the Great Lakes. At 19 almost put a wreck under Admiralty, until they found the wreck of the Atlantic..........Then the attorney wanted 80% of what I was looking to do.....He sure wasn't thinking about the State's cut and Uncle Sam's

Horner forgot to tell me how to handle Pirates in his book

At 10% 20% who can operate like that? Now being a little bit wiser, knowing a few people, might start back into the industry.....

Won't take much for the small wrecks up here.

 

[Darren in NC]

Rogue, do you also live in Fla? Would your initials happen to be TK?

 

[Rogue One]

No Sir it's RN For Rick Nowak.............Live in Ohio near Cleveland.............Actually working on diving on a few wrecks up here

 

[SADS 669]

Any Bahamas info you want let me know

 

[Rogue One]

Well Thank You I'm just slowly doing what I can............Have to pick up another diver for the wrecks up here. Golden Rule: Never dive alone and know their level

Pretty much recreational right now Having Fun low costs........

 

[Darren in NC]

Nice to meet you, Rick. I confused you with someone else.

It was my understanding that all wrecks in the Great Lakes were off limits to salvage, though not diving. Is this not the case? Are there permits that can be obtained for salvage?

Good luck!

 

[Rogue One]

On not a problem, nice meeting you Derren

Your pretty stable in the industry..............Few other people around here ring bells.

i'm not sure..............Last time I checked we had only 3 Admiralty Lawyers in Ohio...........One can always look and not touch.

Will know before hand ignorance is no excuse....We have local dive clubs............Just feel a pull towards this now.........

The Great Lakes ran raw materials coal timber grains salts etc. Not many treasure ships up here...........Still the experience of seeing one coming out of the shadows:.

Always another Treasure Hunt

Rick

P.S. Why does everyone have to find the Titanic? Who can forget Mamma Joe? That taught me it's Ok to start out small.

 

[Peyton Manning]

Let Gordon get to me, something they pulled years ago......... Highly competitive by nature, Nothing is handed to you in this world, and don't except such. Have to tone it down a few notches[/QUOT

My bad, please proceed

 

[Rogue One]

ahh another negative inuendo
I am still jeff-gordon on all sites, I see your a new account. Who were you before? Then I might have a clue what you are talking about.
Stop pissing around dude, you got something to say or accuse me of- have at it. Be a man.

Your little mods friends will jump in.................Not a problem Wolf Runs you told me how I was a joke.........Was more fun getting away from you then doing that hunt

A man can forgive an insult.............The the 1st thing you do when I post in here is your up in my face again.........

We can keep going at it or let it go you choose

So stop calling me out and following me around here..........Ok Mods come down on me and ignore Jeff here

 

[Peyton Manning]

Sads is right.
I apologise for any offence I caused you Rogue whether here or on that other site