Different Kind of "Treasure" at the Jupiter Shipwreck Site!
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You're in trouble now. The state will come in and halt your excavations until they determine if this is a submerged archaeological site. Some things are best kept private. Hard to make the state understand that natives lost artifacts in the water and some things were on the beach and washed out, and sometimes canoes tipped over, and then everyone has children who like to throw things out of the "car windows" or "canoes".
But they think every Indian artifact is a "submerged site".
Nice finds, very interesting and different.
itmaiden
You're in trouble now. The state will come in and halt your excavations until they determine if this is a submerged archaeological site. Some things are best kept private. Hard to make the state understand that natives lost artifacts in the water and some things were on the beach and washed out, and sometimes canoes tipped over, and then everyone has children who like to throw things out of the "car windows" or "canoes".
But they think every Indian artifact is a "submerged site".
Nice finds, very interesting and different.
itmaiden
capt dom said:If any of you are familiar with pre-colombian
native tooled shell and bone american artifacts.
Please take a look at these photos of today's finds
at the 14 to 17 foot contour.
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The State represents the Public Interest
so do we as the Federal Substitute Custodians
of this active Shipwreck Site.
I do not fear sharing knowledge of our finds with the
public sector. Yes, there may well be some miss-guided "fringe"
archeologists out there, who do not think the public has a right, or is not
ready for a better understanding of ancient peoples and there inhabitation
of our near coastal areas, but keeping secrets about finds
will lead to a new "dark age" and I for one will have
no part in it....
The State represents the Public Interest
so do we as the Federal Substitute Custodians
of this active Shipwreck Site.
I do not fear sharing knowledge of our finds with the
public sector. Yes, there may well be some miss-guided "fringe"
archeologists out there, who do not think the public has a right, or is not
ready for a better understanding of ancient peoples and there inhabitation
of our near coastal areas, but keeping secrets about finds
will lead to a new "dark age" and I for one will have
no part in it....
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Why assume they're local. Probably something a sailor picked up elsewhere on his travels, like the rest of the contraband.
Why assume they're local. Probably something a sailor picked up elsewhere on his travels, like the rest of the contraband.
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Re: Different Kind of "Treasure" at the Jupiter Shipwreck Site!
south american type native divers also worked the sites as recovery people for the 1715 fleet salvors as well.
south american type native divers also worked the sites as recovery people for the 1715 fleet salvors as well.
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Nice shell items! Must have been a dugout canoe wreck. 
Yeah that fringe is mighty powerful--or at least they think they are?
Some are on the other side of the fence tho. People like Doug Birk in Minnesota, and James Hanson at the Museum of the Fur Trade in NE know that there aren't enough archeologists to go around, and that stuff won't last in the ground (or underwater) while they are waiting to fund their digs in the next hundred years. Birk has written several papers based on what detectors have found over the years and shared with him. Those papers serve as a good overview of the region's archeology. Those guys may be fur trade, but a lot of their important archeology has been found underwater too (Voices From the Rapids, fabulous book).
Nice shell items!
Must have been a dugout canoe wreck. Yeah that fringe is mighty powerful--or at least they think they are?
Some are on the other side of the fence tho. People like Doug Birk in Minnesota, and James Hanson at the Museum of the Fur Trade in NE know that there aren't enough archeologists to go around, and that stuff won't last in the ground (or underwater) while they are waiting to fund their digs in the next hundred years. Birk has written several papers based on what detectors have found over the years and shared with him. Those papers serve as a good overview of the region's archeology. Those guys may be fur trade, but a lot of their important archeology has been found underwater too (Voices From the Rapids, fabulous book).
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10,000 years ago the land mass for florida extended out to where the gulf stream is at now.You will find ancient indian artifacts and animal fossils from the beach to the gulf stream.
10,000 years ago the land mass for florida extended out to where the gulf stream is at now.You will find ancient indian artifacts and animal fossils from the beach to the gulf stream.
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Glacial Kame Culture
The Glacial Kame Culture were Native Americans known as the Archaic peoples that occupied Southern Ontario, Michigan, Ohio and Indiana from around 8000 BC to 1000 BC. They got their name from their practice of interment of their dead on top of hills of glacial gravel. Burial sites included ornaments of copper and marine shells. Extensive trade networks existed at this time.
Other regional cultures include the Maple Creek Culture of southwestern Ohio, Red Ocher Culture and Old Copper Culture of Wisconsin.
Pretty cool huh!
Look at the similarity in the hole spacing.....
Must have been some very early "snow birds"
attempting to avoid the last ice age!
The Auto Club Guide use to describe "Jupiter" as
the "Beginning of the Tropics"!
Not the "golden madonna" but, never-the-less....
Actually very cool!!
Glacial Kame Culture
The Glacial Kame Culture were Native Americans known as the Archaic peoples that occupied Southern Ontario, Michigan, Ohio and Indiana from around 8000 BC to 1000 BC. They got their name from their practice of interment of their dead on top of hills of glacial gravel. Burial sites included ornaments of copper and marine shells. Extensive trade networks existed at this time.
Other regional cultures include the Maple Creek Culture of southwestern Ohio, Red Ocher Culture and Old Copper Culture of Wisconsin.
Pretty cool huh!
Look at the similarity in the hole spacing.....
Must have been some very early "snow birds"
attempting to avoid the last ice age!
The Auto Club Guide use to describe "Jupiter" as
the "Beginning of the Tropics"!
Not the "golden madonna" but, never-the-less....
Actually
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One of a kind and older than dirt! You probably have the most valuable thing found there to date. Superb! I don't think most folks realize how many paleo-people actually lived in Florida before the emergence of western civilization as we know it. That did not come from the wreck... the dead sleep with the dead.
One of a kind and older than dirt! You probably have the most valuable thing found there to date. Superb! I don't think most folks realize how many paleo-people actually lived in Florida before the emergence of western civilization as we know it. That did not come from the wreck... the dead sleep with the dead.
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Did the text in the picture above read "Head dress from Martin County Mound"?
So this was an ornamental piece of some kind? Very nice find!
Robert
Did the text in the picture above read "Head dress from Martin County Mound"?
So this was an ornamental piece of some kind? Very nice find!
Robert
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FISHEYE said:
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What is Glacial Kame?
Earl Townsend described it best when he wrote, "The term Glacial Kame Culture has been ascribed to the cutlure of the people who deposited certain burials and grave goods in the natural sand and gravel hills or kames formed by glacial action over a large area of the Great Lakes Region. Whenever sketetons are unearthed from a natural sand or gravel deposits, if three-holed sandal-sole gorgets of the marine shell, Bysycon perversum, are also found, the burial is assignable to the Glacial Kame Culture. In no other recognized classificatory archaeological unit do these type artifacts appear." The Glacial Kame Culture may have been an aspect beginning in the Late Archaic and continuing into the Early woodland period. In addition to the sandal sole gorgets, one can expect to find round three-holed shell gorgets, rectangular shell gorgets, crudely made copper beads, finely polished shell beads, stone gorgets, and pipes made of banded slate and limestone.
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Not any more...... {see quote in red}
I guess the guy or girl who lost this piece was one of the first "snowbird"s!
What is Glacial Kame?
Earl Townsend described it best when he wrote, "The term Glacial Kame Culture has been ascribed to the cutlure of the people who deposited certain burials and grave goods in the natural sand and gravel hills or kames formed by glacial action over a large area of the Great Lakes Region. Whenever sketetons are unearthed from a natural sand or gravel deposits, if three-holed sandal-sole gorgets of the marine shell, Bysycon perversum, are also found, the burial is assignable to the Glacial Kame Culture. In no other recognized classificatory archaeological unit do these type artifacts appear." The Glacial Kame Culture may have been an aspect beginning in the Late Archaic and continuing into the Early woodland period. In addition to the sandal sole gorgets, one can expect to find round three-holed shell gorgets, rectangular shell gorgets, crudely made copper beads, finely polished shell beads, stone gorgets, and pipes made of banded slate and limestone.
To Earl:
Not any more...... {see quote in red}
I guess the guy or girl who lost this piece was one of the first "snowbird"s!
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NO.... It came out of the Jupiter Shipwreck site area just over the edge
of where the first solution hole appears to be!
We on the "Tank" have been working this area all summer.
The spot is marked with a blue bouy painted white
RGecy said:
NO.... It came out of the Jupiter Shipwreck site area just over the edge
of where the first solution hole appears to be!
We on the "Tank" have been working this area all summer.
The spot is marked with a blue bouy painted white
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No, I was talking about the image from the Ohio Historical Society. I assume that one is from Ohio and not Martin County Florida.
Robert
No, I was talking about the image from the Ohio Historical Society. I assume that one is from Ohio and not Martin County Florida.
Robert
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Dom & Yvonne both have a keen eye for such artifacts.
I learn something new from them every time we go out.
Tom
Dom & Yvonne both have a keen eye for such artifacts.
I learn something new from them every time we go out.
Tom
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Glacial Kame Culture
Possibly from a glacier that broke up and drifted southward, and then the artifacts were carried to shore as it melted.
Or....trading hot Indian chicks.
itmaiden
Glacial Kame Culture
Possibly from a glacier that broke up and drifted southward, and then the artifacts were carried to shore as it melted.
Or....trading hot Indian chicks.
itmaiden
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Here is a West Palm Beach news story about our recent rare artifact discovery.
http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/region...explorers-find-something-unique-at-wreck-site
(underwater video by Yvonne Addario)
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Here is a West Palm Beach news story about our recent rare artifact discovery.
http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/region...explorers-find-something-unique-at-wreck-site
(underwater video by Yvonne Addario)
Tom
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Thanks Tom
Oh by the way that is mad-for-wrecks
{I call him tom tom} swimming by down there
with us
This gorget is a pretty cool historical find...
Its a real coincidence a photo from the Ohio Historical
Society lead to its identification!
So much for us dastardly and or Cretan treasure hunters
just only being interested in the lust for gold.... arh
Thanks Tom
Oh by the way that is mad-for-wrecks
{I call him tom tom} swimming by down there
with us
This gorget is a pretty cool historical find...
Its a real coincidence a photo from the Ohio Historical
Society lead to its identification!
So much for us dastardly and or Cretan treasure hunters
just only being interested in the lust for gold.... arh
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I posted the other news story from Fox news on my Youtube page:
Also adding some pictures I took from the day of discovery.
Tom
I posted the other news story from Fox news on my Youtube page:
Also adding some pictures I took from the day of discovery.
Tom
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