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Roland, I'll just address this one aspect of your questions: You ask:
"If I stay in the wet sand the GB should pretty much remain stable, correct? "
No. On the wet salt beach, the mineral content changes everywhere you walk. Particularly when you walk closer to, or further away, from the water's edge. This has to do with the moisture content (obviously getting moister the closer you go to the water's edge, and into the ebbing water), and also d/t the fact that as the sands are laid down by each day's tides (because sand is never "constant" on the ocean-facing beaches), that sand types are laid out differently on different parallels. For example: I've seen how sometimes black sand will be up at the edge of a cut, or in gully wash outlets. Yet when you walk away from those zones, the sand cleans up to less mineralized. This happens because of the washing out and laying down effect, as if the entire beach is a giant riffle board or sluice-box, so to speak. And the same is true even if it's not as pronounced as "black verses white" sand. It's subtle and even the mere rises and falls of elevation, slopes, scallop shapes, etc.... it's just changes all over the place on the wet salt.
About the most you can do to alleviate this, and stay in "approximately" the same GB zone, is if you walked at a parallel to the water, moving neither closer to, or further away, from the water's edge. Then assuming no other factors, like swail shapes in the sand, or entering and exiting low spots, etc... then theoretically, you might stay at the same GB range or so.
"If I stay in the wet sand the GB should pretty much remain stable, correct? "
No. On the wet salt beach, the mineral content changes everywhere you walk. Particularly when you walk closer to, or further away, from the water's edge. This has to do with the moisture content (obviously getting moister the closer you go to the water's edge, and into the ebbing water), and also d/t the fact that as the sands are laid down by each day's tides (because sand is never "constant" on the ocean-facing beaches), that sand types are laid out differently on different parallels. For example: I've seen how sometimes black sand will be up at the edge of a cut, or in gully wash outlets. Yet when you walk away from those zones, the sand cleans up to less mineralized. This happens because of the washing out and laying down effect, as if the entire beach is a giant riffle board or sluice-box, so to speak. And the same is true even if it's not as pronounced as "black verses white" sand. It's subtle and even the mere rises and falls of elevation, slopes, scallop shapes, etc.... it's just changes all over the place on the wet salt.
About the most you can do to alleviate this, and stay in "approximately" the same GB zone, is if you walked at a parallel to the water, moving neither closer to, or further away, from the water's edge. Then assuming no other factors, like swail shapes in the sand, or entering and exiting low spots, etc... then theoretically, you might stay at the same GB range or so.
okdiggermark
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Wow.....that was descriptive and impressive. Very well explained.
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okdiggermark said:
I'll say the same! Thanks, Tom. What you mentioned last was what I meant by "staying in the moist sand".....staying the same distance from the water's edge. Or, better yet, I'll just 'do the dunes!'
okdiggermark
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Yeah, might be easiest...LOL! His post was an afternoon's read to fully comprehend. ......Or maybe I've had one too many brew's tonight. Ha! I'll have to re-read it tomorrow. G'night everyone. 
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Just heard some news about Bounty Hunter,Discriminator II. The Company Fisher and Bounty Hunter are in a buy out. One is going to own the other! (Merge of Md's!)... "I heard things!", Interesting, Humm
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goldentruth said:
First Texas owns both Bounty Hunter and Fisher. They are like Chevy and Buick are owned by GM.
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Sandman said:
Heh heh, just like Chevy and Buicks were the exact same cars with a few minor cosmetic changes!
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What if Texas is buying Garrett? That would be a new Ball Game.
If a Lower cost, Lower tech MD type is taken over by a company who makes higher quality MD's, It the Companys new MD's Going to be Cheeper low quality but better for the buck or Better quality and raising the bar or even having a spectrum of many price range of MD's to cover the market?
Look what happened to the German Portable Power drill company, They had the drills made in MEXICO to put out lower priced tools, there were many defects and their quality Bosch Name was hurt, they stopped the cheep production and learned a inportant message. Quality backed by your name!
Same with the"All the new redesigned VW "Bug" Made in Mexico with shipped parts (South of TJ.)
Many people still today do not know they are driving a Vehicle made in Mexico.
(I heard a comment many MD's are made in China.) It's a crazy world, we have to go by preformance now.
If a Lower cost, Lower tech MD type is taken over by a company who makes higher quality MD's, It the Companys new MD's Going to be Cheeper low quality but better for the buck or Better quality and raising the bar or even having a spectrum of many price range of MD's to cover the market?
Look what happened to the German Portable Power drill company, They had the drills made in MEXICO to put out lower priced tools, there were many defects and their quality Bosch Name was hurt, they stopped the cheep production and learned a inportant message. Quality backed by your name!
Same with the"All the new redesigned VW "Bug" Made in Mexico with shipped parts (South of TJ.)
Many people still today do not know they are driving a Vehicle made in Mexico.
(I heard a comment many MD's are made in China.) It's a crazy world, we have to go by preformance now.
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A single frequency detector will not function well in the wet salt sand. Period. Please trust me on this. It may function, but not well. Depth would be a mere few inches and falsing will be a constant concern.
You need either a dual frequency, multi-frequency, or pi detector for wet salt sand.
The AT Pro is carefully marketed not to promote its ability in the wet salt sand or surf. With the manual ground balance it will function there, but not nearly as well as it will in other locations.
If you absolutely must use a single frequency detector at the beach, try to get one with the lowest kHz you can get your hands on. For some reason, they perform the best. Couldn't tell you why. They just do.
You need either a dual frequency, multi-frequency, or pi detector for wet salt sand.
The AT Pro is carefully marketed not to promote its ability in the wet salt sand or surf. With the manual ground balance it will function there, but not nearly as well as it will in other locations.
If you absolutely must use a single frequency detector at the beach, try to get one with the lowest kHz you can get your hands on. For some reason, they perform the best. Couldn't tell you why. They just do.
