Don't Laugh too hard but....

[signal_line]

Sulfides in natural gold not the same as refined gold. Well, I would like to know how the competition hunt goes. Like I said I know dogs can smell freshly dug soil.

I admit your video looks very interesting. I would try him out in a city park. If he finds gold there I would become a believer. Right now I just wonder if there are some other clues the dog is going on. Possible reading your body language. Recall some guy had a horse that could do arithmetic. He would scratch his hoof on the ground and count out the number. It turned out the owner’s body language was keying the horse when to stop the scratching at the correct answer. Dogs can detect body language like crazy. Recall the picture/painting of several dogs dressed up and sitting at a poker table. The joke was they could read a tell.

 

[achanceforgold]

Sulfides in natural gold not the same as refined gold. Well, I would like to know how the competition hunt goes. Like I said I know dogs can smell freshly dug soil.

I admit your video looks very interesting. I would try him out in a city park. If he finds gold there I would become a believer. Right now I just wonder if there are some other clues the dog is going on. Possible reading your body language. Recall some guy had a horse that could do arithmetic. He would scratch his hoof on the ground and count out the number. It turned out the owner’s body language was keying the horse when to stop the scratching at the correct answer. Dogs can detect body language like crazy. Recall the picture/painting of several dogs dressed up and sitting at a poker table. The joke was they could read a tell.

yes, that is exactly what I thought. Am I unintentionally signaling the dog where they object is. So, I started having someone else hide objects and we have been doing some free reign searches. So, the dog is on its own doing the scent detection.

I travel during the week, so I can only train on weekends. But the wife does maintenance training, hiding stuff around the house for him to find. Weekends, I do outside training. Where she hides objects in the yard.

But even that, both I and the dog know there is something in the area, so he is hyped up to find it. What happens after 1/2 hour or 45 minutes, and he hasn't found anything. Does he give up, lay down and take a nap?

The competition should tell me that. objects somewhere on 15-20 acres. we don't know anything about where they might be placed. I won't have touched any of the objects. They will run for 4 hours then break for lunch. Then detect again after lunch. If he is able to get one or two of the objects on a "blind" search like this, I'll be happy.

 

[signal_line]

yes, that is exactly what I thought. Am I unintentionally signaling the dog where they object is. So, I started having someone else hide objects and we have been doing some free reign searches. So, the dog is on its own doing the scent detection.

I travel during the week, so I can only train on weekends. But the wife does maintenance training, hiding stuff around the house for him to find. Weekends, I do outside training. Where she hides objects in the yard.

But even that, both I and the dog know there is something in the area, so he is hyped up to find it. What happens after 1/2 hour or 45 minutes, and he hasn't found anything. Does he give up, lay down and take a nap?

The competition should tell me that. objects somewhere on 15-20 acres. we don't know anything about where they might be placed. I won't have touched any of the objects. They will run for 4 hours then break for lunch. Then detect again after lunch. If he is able to get one or two of the objects on a "blind" search like this, I'll be happy.

I hope the best for you. I still have concerns the dog will find the freshly dug ground. I guess you will know if you dig and find some other objects besides gold. I watched your dog sniff the objects and that to me is a good sign, but I really would like to see what happens in a city park. Best of luck in your hunt!

When I practice locations with a frequency generator and L-rods I close my eyes and spin around a few times, toss the target, then spin around a few mire times. That way I don’t know where the target is. But it wound be difficult to keep your scent off the target. Maybe have something like one of those ball throwers they use for dogs so you don’t touch it. Still there will be some scent. But you can certainly mix up your test targets so you don’t know which is a target or empty can. Better yet put something else in the empty cans like nuts and bolts or something the same weight so you don’t catch a clue.

 

[achanceforgold]

I hope the best for you. I still have concerns the dog will find the freshly dug ground. I guess you will know if you dig and find some other objects besides gold. I watched your dog sniff the objects and that to me is a good sign, but I really would like to see what happens in a city park. Best of luck in your hunt!

When I practice locations with a frequency generator and L-rods I close my eyes and spin around a few times, toss the target, then spin around a few mire times. That way I don’t know where the target is. But it wound be difficult to keep your scent off the target. Maybe have something like one of those ball throwers they use for dogs so you don’t touch it. Still there will be some scent. But you can certainly mix up your test targets so you don’t know which is a target or empty can. Better yet put something else in the empty cans like nuts and bolts or something the same weight so you don’t catch a clue.

This weekend, I can have him search our park. But we are a small town, not sure if anything is there. We had three thousand people in the county when I moved there in 2019.
But yes, I can try that ball thrower idea.

These are some open-air videos from Sunday, objects place in the yard by the wife. just put on the ground. I didn't know where they were.

and



here he is at a dog park picking up the scent of gold in the air.
he located it then peed on it.

 

[AU Seeker]

This weekend, I can have him search our park. But we are a small town, not sure if anything is there. We had three thousand people in the county when I moved there in 2019.
But yes, I can try that ball thrower idea.

These are some open-air videos from Sunday, objects place in the yard by the wife. just put on the ground. I didn't know where they were.

and


here he is at a dog park picking up the scent of gold in the air.
he located it then peed on it.

The first two videos say "unavailable"

 

[achanceforgold]

The first two videos say "unavailable"

sorry about that.

here you go

and

 

[achanceforgold]

Today the wife started putting stuff an inch or two under ground.

He started digging until he exposed it.
I think it's a Kenndy half or morgan silver dollar.
Then he sat stating he located it.

Now he gets his treat.

 

[AU Seeker]

Today the wife started putting stuff an inch or two under ground.
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He started digging until he exposed it.
I think it's a Kenndy half or morgan silver dollar.
Then he sat stating he located it.
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Now he gets his treat.

I noticed the Pitbull's job is "treats quality control"

 

[achanceforgold]

I noticed the Pitbull's job is "treats quality control"

You're exactly right.
He checks the treats for freshness and quality.
He also makes sure we schedule plenty of training secessions throughout the day.
He is basically the training manager.

He's my ole man, 13 years old now. Would love for him to scent detect, but he can't walk for long periods. So, he just supervises the training for the youngsters.

 

[CRose6449]

Actually, all scent detection dogs you see today use the training developed by Finland to detect Iron Ore for the steel industry. A guy named Pentti Mattsson.
The UK saw it in the early 70's and wanted drug sniffing dogs trained. The US picked up on it too for their Customes division.

Google prospecting dogs.

Yes, your little Yorkie could do it.

Where did you find information on Pentti Mattson? I’ve been trying to find something on them and I’m having difficulty. Only two results came up and they were both on treasure hunting website forums as comments. Could you provide a source, please?
-Cecily

 

[achanceforgold]

Where did you find information on Pentti Mattson? I’ve been trying to find something on them and I’m having difficulty. Only two results came up and they were both on treasure hunting website forums as comments. Could you provide a source, please?
-Cecily

here is a video by the Finnish Government


It's been a while but there are a few research papers out there.
on Researchgate comes to mind but it could be others.
Some Swedish papers also.

Mattson, in 1962, was learning how to train a dog for scent detection a specific scent.
Not tracking, which dogs have been doing for humans for thousands of years.
But finding an isolated scent.

This was at the request of the Finnish Government for their steel industry.
Some mining proffesor knew Mattson. So he got the Finnish government to sponsor the program.

He first would touch the ore samples and get the dog to detect his scent and the ore scent.
Then give the dog a treat.
He knew a dog could scent detect its owner's scent.
He then removed his scent form the ore, by not touching it.
and the dog associated the ore scent with the treat.

They discovered you could go directly with the scent and treat and avoid the owner's scent.
They ended up with 30 dogs scent detecting iron ore for their steel industry.
But ended the program when steel prices took a dump.

The ATF currently has the best dog scent detection program.
They are training their dogs to scent detect almost everything.
They have a free reign scent detection program called S.E.E.K.

I recommend using their program if you are starting out.
It takes some research and lots of video watching to see what they are doing.

Good Luck sir

ps.
here is Rex the Ore dog.

 

[achanceforgold]

here is a video by the Finnish Government


It's been a while but there are a few research papers out there.
on Researchgate comes to mind but it could be others.
Some Swedish papers also.

Mattson, in 1962, was learning how to train a dog for scent detection a specific scent.
Not tracking, which dogs have been doing for humans for thousands of years.
But finding an isolated scent.

This was at the request of the Finnish Government for their steel industry.
Some mining proffesor knew Mattson. So he got the Finnish government to sponsor the program.

He first would touch the ore samples and get the dog to detect his scent and the ore scent.
Then give the dog a treat.
He knew a dog could scent detect its owner's scent.
He then removed his scent form the ore, by not touching it.
and the dog associated the ore scent with the treat.

They discovered you could go directly with the scent and treat and avoid the owner's scent.
They ended up with 30 dogs scent detecting iron ore for their steel industry.
But ended the program when steel prices took a dump.

The ATF currently has the best dog scent detection program.
They are training their dogs to scent detect almost everything.
They have a free reign scent detection program called S.E.E.K.

I recommend using their program if you are starting out.
It takes some research and lots of video watching to see what they are doing.

Good Luck sir

ps.
here is Rex the Ore dog.

here is an old Finnish document by Mattson

 

[Gare]

You better not get him to good at it. If he becomes an expert someone will steal him from you . BTW What is your ADDRESS ?

 

[achanceforgold]

You better not get him to good at it. If he becomes an expert someone will steal him from you . BTW What is your ADDRESS ?

HaHa...

Chance is still young.
He'll be two next month.

I took him to Treasure Shores Beach last weekend.
Two Spanish shipwrecks.
He spent the entire time biting the waves, chasing sand crabs and rolling in dead fish.
It was Disney Land, Christmas and 4th of July all rolled into one for him.

Mattson says wait until 3 years old before taking them in the field for real work.
But he is doing great for his age. Just still a whole lot of puppy in him.

 

[LauraLou56]

Don't Laugh to hard but I entered my dog in a metal detecting competition.
He has been doing Scent Detection Training to detect Gold and Silver

.

Gooo Chance! You got this boy!!

 

[achanceforgold]

Gooo Chance! You got this boy!!

here he is yesterday triggering a possible gold deposit in an old gold mining district in north Georgia.
he was free reign searching.
he is trained to sit when he smells gold, silver or bronze.

We'll investigate this area more.
He's my boy!

 

[LauraLou56]

here he is yesterday triggering a possible gold deposit in an old gold mining district in north Georgia.
he was free reign searching.
he is trained to sit when he smells gold, silver or bronze.
View attachment 2213747

We'll investigate this area more.
He's my boy!

Look at him with his vest!

 

[LauraLou56]

You better not get him to good at it. If he becomes an expert someone will steal him from you . BTW What is your ADDRESS ?

Gare, train your horse! He would look so handsome in a vest to match Chance!

 

[KYgotGOLD]

My dogs still just feeding ticks.