Dowsing test

[musstag]

Thats some good expierence you've encountered with the kitchen sink spigot..... NO, really thats some good info you posted about radio signals. I have not tried Art's experment either, I have done some others.

 

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[aarthrj3811]

Re: Dowsing test
« Reply #232 on: Dec 09, 2006, 04:55:54 PM »
I am not sure if the 612 hertz frequency can be downloaded from the internet at http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/...d_Generators/Tone_and_Waveform_Generator.html
but if you can its free. Put the sound on a disk. Put it in a disk player. Ground the antenna. Put a piece of gold 30 or feet away. Walk between the antenna and the gold with a set of dowsing rods. See if it works. If you can't download that frequency try 466 and try silver.

A lot of typing and extra theories added to a simple experiment. Simple, easy, no fancy equipment to use and people telling me why it will not work.

Step 1...Download the correct frequency
Step 2... Transfer the frequency to a disk
Step 3...Put the disk in a CD player.
Step 4...Ground the antenna.
Step 5...Put a piece of gold 30 feet away
Step 6...This is where I screwed up my first set of instructions
PLAY THE DISK
Step 7....Walk between the antenna and the gold with a set of dowsing rods

 

[aarthrj3811]

Gee Captain Trips....Sounds like you may know something about Radios. Could it be possible that when I ground the antenna I may be grounding the entire unit? Will the disk still produce sound? You see back in the 50's I had a radio antenna that was 400 feet long. Later I had a small radio and I ran a wire to a rail road spike. That would be a long grounded antenna.The Radios play great.

Heres a resent report on Antennas....http://www.borderlands.com/newstuff/research/ground-ant.htm
If you live in San Diago you may want to talk to Bill Morgan. He is the Cheif Engineer at BMI metal detectors....Art

 

[Captain Trips]

Gee Captain Trips....Sounds like you may know something about Radios. Could it be possible that when I ground the antenna I may be grounding the entire unit? Will the disk still produce sound? You see back in the 50's I had a radio antenna that was 400 feet long. Later I had a small radio and I ran a wire to a rail road spike. That would be a long grounded antenna.The Radios play great.

The disk will still sound when you ground the antenna -- the antenna being grounded does NOT ground out the entire unit and will not affect the CD playback circuit -- the antenna is coupled to the radio by induction (an RF coil) and therefore does not actually conduct any of the electricity flowing through any other circuit in the box. All grounding it out does is cause the antenna to be just another useless piece of metal. And, as has been pointed out, when playing a CD the radio portion of the circuit is actually powered off completely, so the antenna has absolutely nothing to do with the box when in CD mode anyway!

Your experience with the railroad spike is similar -- the antenna you used is just a long wire connected to one part of the RF coil, so that part was shorted out. But as a ferrite core antenna (the kind that your 50's AM radio used) has multiple taps on the coil, it would still receive okay. Please note, though -- comparing your 50's vintage AM radio to a modern, phase-lock-looped FM radio is like comparing apples and tennis balls!

 

[aarthrj3811]

Did you know that there is a good debate about signals. Some people believed that signals in the air are the strongest. Some think that the ones in the ground are the best. As for me I have no opinion on this. I use the one that suits the time and place...Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

I'm curious if you even read responses to your posts, Art. It seems like every time you're proved to be incorrect, you go off on some tangent that strays away from the issue, almost as though you simply refuse to admit the conversation exists when it turns to an area you don't like...

 

[aarthrj3811]

Hey AF....It's a little hard to answer the same questions that do not have an answer. Captain Trips and I are having an information exchange. I am passing on some information that he may not know. He seems to understand a little of what we are disscussing. I may learn something from him and he may learn a little more about Dowsing. What's wrong with that...Art

 

[Sandsted]

Art, when going between the radio and the gold, if one believes it will react one has to make sure that this belief isn't altering the dowsing. Same with CT, Carl, and Af. They don't believe dowsing works, therefore won't get a reaction when walking in the middle of the gold. They're minds will affect the expieriment. Same with you if you are not careful.

 

[musstag]

Plus, ART is not sitting still, HE is experimenting, way to go ART!! He has emailed me a couple that are amazing!!

 

[aarthrj3811]

Thanks Sandsted....I am always aware of those facts. I have worked hard to recognize those responses. I don't do as much field work as I would like to and some of my skills have diminished but the fact still remains that I remember how it is done and still want to tell others the information that I have.....Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Hey AF....It's a little hard to answer the same questions that do not have an answer. Captain Trips and I are having an information exchange. I am passing on some information that he may not know. He seems to understand a little of what we are disscussing. I may learn something from him and he may learn a little more about Dowsing. What's wrong with that...Art

Again, this post seems to affirm that you either don't read other's responses, or don't understand them.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Hey Carl ..Here we are checking some frequencies that you say were just made up. After all this guy only has a 4 th grade education. You have checked 20 or so units for signals and have found none. Have you thought about the fact that an oscope may not be the right tool for the job. Instead of ticking guy's like Bob off you may want to play nice with him. It is my understanding that he has an impressive resume. He also has an oscope setting on his work bench. He may know something that you do not. I have only used one of Bob's units but out of the many units I have tested his has the strongest and the best signal of them all. Just a little advise unless you want to continue to wrong.....Art

 

[Carl-NC]

Hey Carl ..Here we are checking some frequencies that you say were just made up. After all this guy only has a 4 th grade education.

It usually shows...

You have checked 20 or so units for signals and have found none. Have you thought about the fact that an oscope may not be the right tool for the job.

Didn't say they don't produce a signal. It's just that the signal doesn't do anything. I did say I've yet to see any two use the same frequency for gold.

I also said your concept of playing a CD and having its frequency transmitted out through the antenna was pure folly. It didn't happen, no matter how strong your belief that it did.

So, are you trying to change the subject? "It seems like every time you're proved to be incorrect, you go off on some tangent that strays away from the issue, almost as though you simply refuse to admit the conversation exists when it turns to an area you don't like..." I have to agree with this observation.

Instead of ticking guy's like Bob off you may want to play nice with him.

I have no intention of playing nice. Bob's a businessman, who sell bogus equipment. I am calling him on this, and it is his responsibility to prove me wrong. If he refuses, I can only conclude that I am right about him.

It is my understanding that he has an impressive resume.

Really? Someone told me that several years ago, he was caught selling fake meteorites.

He also has an oscope setting on his work bench.

Wow. That's really impressive.

He may know something that you do not. I have only used one of Bob's units but out of the many units I have tested his has the strongest and the best signal of them all. Just a little advise unless you want to continue to wrong.....Art

I have $25,000 that says I'm right.

- Carl

 

[aarthrj3811]

Gee Carl...Just trying to help you. If you knew anything about signals that a set of Dowsing rods would respond to you would have had no problem with the CD player...Art

 

[Carl-NC]

Gee Carl...Just trying to help you. If you knew anything about signals that a set of Dowsing rods would respond to you would have had no problem with the CD player...Art

Gee, Art, if you knew anything about electronics you would have realized just how absurd your claim was. It is, as far as I can recall over the 8+ years I've been reading TNet, the most ridiculous claim any dowser has ever made.

But I'll try to top it, Art... take that CD you made, and bury it in a shallow hole. Then the tone you recorded on it, will magically start to eminate from the CD, and resonate with buried gold. I know this to be true, because I recently buried "The Nutcracker Suite" CD and I can now hear Tchaikovsky all over my yard.

Yes, I think my claim might be more ludicrous. Just maybe.

- Carl

 

[Captain Trips]

Hey AF....It's a little hard to answer the same questions that do not have an answer. Captain Trips and I are having an information exchange. I am passing on some information that he may not know. He seems to understand a little of what we are disscussing. I may learn something from him and he may learn a little more about Dowsing. What's wrong with that...Art

Um, Art, AF seems to be right -- you don't seem to understand the responses to your posts. I don't see that we are exchanging information at all -- you just seem to keep saying "it works" while I have been giving you all sorts of reasons why it just can't. I understand the science behind radio theory, and have been trying to share that knowledge with you, yet you seem to keep IGNORING that I have this knowledge that you lack. Yet you want me to accept blindly that what you say is indeed the case. I am a skeptic -- I do not accept ANYTHING blindly. This does NOT mean that I disbelive you, just that I don't believe you. (Note the semantic difference. It's important -- "disbelief" implies a certainty against something, while "don't believe" means I have yet to see proof.)

As to the presence of a signal on a CD, well, here's some more theory for you: a CD does NOT have a signal embedded on it the way a vinyl disc would. A CD only has 1's and 0's burned into its subsurface, and must be read into a computer circuit and translated via a specific program. It's as if "00000001" means "very quiet" and "11111111" means "very loud" and these are at the rate of 50,000 bytes per second -- unless, say, preceeded by "11111111-11111111" which means "the next set of x bytes are not to be translated into sound, but into control codes instead." (In truth, the encoding algorithms are much more complicated than that.) So there is no way that you can reconstruct the signal by just looking at the 1's and 0's -- you have to know the encoding system, the file system, and indeed the operating system. That is why some CD's can be played over a computer and some can not -- some contain a file system that your computer does not understand but CD players do. And then there is the added complication of "root kits" which are computer programs included on CD's that mess up your computer (like spyware) if you attempt to play it on your pc.

As you see, the actual encoding on a CD is a very complex system -- the only way to get a "signal" out of one is to play it on an appropriate player. And (getting back to the "boom box" situatiation) with this level of complexity, there is absolutely no way that a CD can influence the microvoltages that appear on an antenna -- you'd have more luck trying to pick up the EMF from the speakers themselves.

Please, Art, before you say something like "you and I are exchanging information," please make sure that is what is happening. I have yet to get any information from you anywhere near the detail I have given you. I am asking you straight out, since you want to talk about physical demonstrations, just what is the physical basis for dowsing? (Yes, you did -- you are the one that brought up RF/AF frequencies, and you are the one that brought up the "boom box test." So you have entered into an area where I do have extensive knowledge.)

BTW, Sandsted, you have now clearly said that one's state of mind will affect the result of dowsing. This places it in the realm of "ESP" as you are saying that the mind controls the dowsing. Well, whether you say dowsing is paranormal or not, this makes it fall well within the realm of Randi's challenge. And, as has been said elsewhere, what have you got to lose by taking the challenge? Really. You only stand to lose your belief in your abilities, vs your ability to take a million dollars from someone you don't like anyway! GO FOR IT!

 

[dowser501]

Art 3811`virtually admitted recently that dowsing has been zero since I mentioned that there has not been atmospheric conditions conductive to dowsing for most of this year. He like myself is waiting for conditions to improve early next year to see if my claims are theory or fact. He is broadminded enough to wait and see, although I will admit in my 10 years on forums Art3811 has broken all records trying to explain mental dowsing. Boy has he come up with some beauties. At least he has kept you occupied.
Art3811, according to noaa there was a slight flare for a few hours yesterday which could herald the start of the dowsing season I have been predicting. Max

 

[Sandsted]

"BTW, Sandsted, you have now clearly said that one's state of mind will affect the result of dowsing. This places it in the realm of "ESP" as you are saying that the mind controls the dowsing. Well, whether you say dowsing is paranormal or not, this makes it fall well within the realm of Randi's challenge. And, as has been said elsewhere, what have you got to lose by taking the challenge? Really. You only stand to lose your belief in your abilities, vs your ability to take a million dollars from someone you don't like anyway! GO FOR IT!"

Captain, I'm merely stating your theory on dowsing. That it is a parlor trick, that the rod turns because you want it to. This is not ESP. This is simple science, which dowsing is. But no I can't dowse under Randi's conditions.

 

[aarthrj3811]

I feel good today. It is amazing how many theories you guys can come up with for an experiment with a CD and a boombox. .SWR...Your statement on the bottom of each of your posts has now been proven wrong. The electronics produce a signal that can be read.

It is amazing how many people can tell me I am wrong and Have not tried the experiment.You people are so worried about the antenna that you forgot about the sound coming out of the speakers..Thats what an experiment is for..To explore the possiblities. Carl tried it by hooking a oscope to the antenna. That is not a proper ground. Capt Trips just told me why it would not work.
It seems none of you want to explore anything.

Did anyone bother to check out the web site....They have all kinds of free stuff...Anyone need a PC Oscope....

Dowser 501....When the time is right I will tell you why my Dowsing is a little off.

Sandsted...Some of these guys will hang on to thier proof forever...Randi and Carl are all they have......ART

 

[Carl-NC]

You people are so worried about the antenna that you forgot about the sound coming out of the speakers.

I've already addressed that with you:

"Waitasec... are you now saying that the "frequency" is that of sound, and not an electrical signal?"

"No Carl....I did not say that."

OK, Art, are you now flip-flopping and saying that it really is sound? Please get your story straight.

Carl tried it by hooking a oscope to the antenna. That is not a proper ground.

If the CD signal gets transmitted out through the radio antenna as you claimed, then an oscope would definitely show that. You were proven wrong, but you are too deep in denial to admit it.

Let's see if anyone else is in denial...

Sansted, do you believe Art's claim, that playing a CD in a boombox will result in the signal being transmitted out through the radio antenna? A simple yes-or-no will suffice.

Musstag, do you believe Art's claim, that playing a CD in a boombox will result in the signal being transmitted out through the radio antenna? A simple yes-or-no will suffice.

- Carl