Dumb question on a bullet

[WHADIFIND]

I just don't know ammo. But, this shell came out of an old place. I've never dug one
just like it before. If I'm correct, center fire is a modern technique?

The shell is made of a fairly substantial thickness.

What is this shell?

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Looks like it would be some kind of blank ammo, like for a starter pistol, but the mouth is odd.

 

[NOLA_Ken]

Interesting.... Can you get access to a digital caliper? We need the inside diameter of the neck, the diameter of the base and rim and an overall length..... It looks to be a custom cartridge, made from a .303 or 30-30 that's been cut and necked down. My first thought when I saw it was 7.62 x 25 Tokarev, but it's a rimmed case which the Tokarev isn't.

Can you also try to clean up the base and get a clear pic of the headstamp?

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

It doesn't seem to have much of a neck to hold a bullet. If it was other than a single shot it wouldn't hold them in place under recoil.

But it could be step #1 in a multi-stage forming process. I used to form .22 Jet cases from .357 Mag brass and it was too much to do in one step.

Also it's not impossible that someone forgot to remove the dies from their press and ruined a case trying to ram it into the wrong sized decapping/resizing die.

Been there, done that.


7.62mm Nagants have an oddball neck like that for cylinder gas seal (the bullet is down inside the brass) but they're a lot longer. Don't know if there was ever a "short" version of that concept.

 

[WHADIFIND]

Interesting.... Can you get access to a digital caliper? We need the inside diameter of the neck, the diameter of the base and rim and an overall length..... It looks to be a custom cartridge, made from a .303 or 30-30 that's been cut and necked down. My first thought when I saw it was 7.62 x 25 Tokarev, but it's a rimmed case which the Tokarev isn't.

Can you also try to clean up the base and get a clear pic of the headstamp?

Sorry, no calipers. This is the best I can do.



Hope it helps.

 

[NOLA_Ken]

Yeah the short neck is definitely odd, but there are a few online I saw that are similar, they were all custom made though. Another possibility is that it's a primer for an artillery shell.....

 

[angleofattack]

Could be a charge for driving an anchor into concrete or stone.

 

[NOLA_Ken]

In the new pics I can see there is no neck at all.... so I doubt highly it ever could have held a bullet.... It's big for a ramset or stud gun, and all of those I've ever seen were either .22 or .27 cal rimfire blanks.... I have a feeling it's an artillery shell primer, but I can't confirm that yet

 

[ivan salis]

a flare gun shell?

 

[WHADIFIND]

In the new pics I can see there is no neck at all.... so I doubt highly it ever could have held a bullet.... It's big for a ramset or stud gun, and all of those I've ever seen were either .22 or .27 cal rimfire blanks.... I have a feeling it's an artillery shell primer, but I can't confirm that yet

If it helps any, this place has a very long history. Included in there somewhere was indeed a bit of use by the military. I have found soooooo many different types of bullets there that I've lost count. Everything from a musket ball to a modern glock.

Thanks!

 

[angleofattack]

Just a new thought, Ive seen tear gas charges that looked like this.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

The .30-30 (.30 WCF) has a head diameter that size.

As does a .44 S&W Special (pistol).

And a .44 Russian would fit for head diameter and length as the original cartridge that would crimp down to that size.

 

[Tedyoh]

I agree, there's no neck, just a taper, which may have been used to guide the case into something before it was fired?

 

[NOLA_Ken]

I's still like to know the headstamp, I can't quite make it out

 

[WHADIFIND]

I's still like to know the headstamp, I can't quite make it out

Sorry, missed that pic. Here ya go.

 

[NOLA_Ken]

Can't quite make out the first letter, L? I? Either way, it doesn't show up on the IAA head stamp list for military ammo, which is odd because it certainly looks like a military marking. the "38" would be 1938 if that's the case.....

 

[WHADIFIND]

Can't quite make out the first letter, L? I? Either way, it doesn't show up on the IAA head stamp list for military ammo, which is odd because it certainly looks like a military marking. the "38" would be 1938 if that's the case.....

My eyes aren't very good. The best I can make out is thats an "I" and what looks like a small triangle.

 

[duggap]

You folks know a whole lot more about this than I do, but I wondered if it was possible that the casing is part of a dummy round as opposed to a blank.

 

[NHBandit]

My guess is that it's a primer for a much larger cartridge.

 

[RobRieman]

My guess is that it's a primer for a much larger cartridge.

It does look like a giant primer. Never would of thought along those lines.