Endangered Species cleanup

[Clay Diggins]

I'm surprised the press hasn't caught on to this. Maybe too many words to read through for the Twitter crowd?

The administration has completely changed the rules on endangered and threatened species as well as how critical habitat is defined. This is a really big deal. No more climate change or locking up land to protect extinct species. The "red wolf" is now just a backyard dog the coyotes bred for fun one night. Hopefully all those tree hugging, grizzly bear mating FWS will quit in frustration.

You've got 60 days to send in your comments - I'd suggest something like WooHooo!

Endangered and Threatened Wildlife and Plants; Revision of Regulations for Interagency Cooperation

Them dam yellow legged froggies are gonna be tasty!

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[Mad Machinist]

I prefer Mexican Spotted owl slowly roasted my self. Although I do hear that Lowland leopard frogs are quite tasty.

 

[Goldwasher]

winning

 

[Goldwasher]

getting rid of the mechanism for sue and settle!!!

 

[rodoconnor]

getting rid of the mechanism for sue and settle!!!

That is the most important aspect of this !! A very sleazy way for enviro/ambulance chasers to enrich themselves. This is about 45 years too late

 

[dave wiseman]

Years ago in the California motherlode the logging trucks used to have bumper sticks that read....If you don't like loggers or logging try wiping your butt with a spotted owl.

 

[Clay Diggins]

Sue and settle was closed down by the courts in the Minard Run III mining case in 2009. The third circuit upheld that decision in 2011. There is no more mechanism for sue and settle.

The miners won and nobody noticed. I guess if the case had been about a frog or a bunny there would have been a big public demonstration but the weenies just slunk away after Minard Run. They had been soundly beaten and they lost their biggest weapon - sue and settle.

The mooks keep complaining about something that hasn't existed for 9 years. If you don't want to be a mook read Minard Run and realize that most of this recent nonsense about the Forest Service preventing mining was determined long ago - along with the the sue and settle issue.

Heavy Pans

 

[rodoconnor]

And yet it continued all through the obama Administration

 

[T.C.]

I think the best Wolf management/control tool is...exhale slowly and squeeze. Bingo! Problem solved.

 

[Clay Diggins]

And yet it continued all through the obama Administration

Got any examples?

 

[Goldwasher]

Sue and settle was closed down by the courts in the Minard Run III mining case in 2009. The third circuit upheld that decision in 2011. There is no more mechanism for sue and settle.

The miners won and nobody noticed. I guess if the case had been about a frog or a bunny there would have been a big public demonstration but the weenies just slunk away after Minard Run. They had been soundly beaten and they lost their biggest weapon - sue and settle.

The mooks keep complaining about something that hasn't existed for 9 years. If you don't want to be a mook read Minard Run and realize that most of this recent nonsense about the Forest Service preventing mining was determined long ago - along with the the sue and settle issue.

Heavy Pans

Understood. However the Gov felt the need to make it a little "clearer" recently https://www.uschamber.com/report/sue-and-settle-regulating-behind-closed-doors

There are still new ESH designations... and lawsuits pushed.

From what I have seen there are people on the other side who don't care much about science and especially "Settled Law"

I guess what I should have said was.

"Cool one less way for the enviro's to get something in court to trigger another temporary soon to be permanent shut down of others rights"

" now they have one less way(reason) to apply for grants to hire people to tie up our money with our own money"

I have seen a lot of enviro BS end up in court in the last nine years.

Maybe it can't be categorized as "sue and settle" . The way I see it is these groups do throw a lot of wet noodles around and the bureaucracies and courts seem to give them a big wall to see what can stick.

Why? because some one is getting paid

We all see evidence almost daily that these agencies have not gotten "the memo"


Never been called a "mook" before

 

[Clay Diggins]

Understood. However the Gov felt the need to make it a little "clearer" recently https://www.uschamber.com/report/sue-and-settle-regulating-behind-closed-doors

There are still new ESH designations... and lawsuits pushed.

From what I have seen there are people on the other side who don't care much about science and especially "Settled Law"

I guess what I should have said was.

"Cool one less way for the enviro's to get something in court to trigger another temporary soon to be permanent shut down of others rights"

" now they have one less way(reason) to apply for grants to hire people to tie up our money with our own money"

I have seen a lot of enviro BS end up in court in the last nine years.

Maybe it can't be categorized as "sue and settle" . The way I see it is these groups do throw a lot of wet noodles around and the bureaucracies and courts seem to give them a big wall to see what can stick.

Why? because some one is getting paid

We all see evidence almost daily that these agencies have not gotten "the memo"


Never been called a "mook" before

All true but much like our friends in Idaho who haven't read Minard Run or Tierney the same silly arguments are going to lead to the same o same o results. If you don't know the law and you sign off on a bad judgement when you could have just presented the law you are stuck with your blunder.

How about a list of all the settlements that have been thrown out because people did know they were illegal? I bet that list is a lot bigger than the list of bozo agreements. In the United States we have the absolute right to make a contract even if it isn't in our best interests.

Heck 10 million dollars a year to buy Adventure Passes in Los Angeles forest alone even though two major Federal court decisions and the law say they are illegal? If you line up to hand out your rights there will always be someone there to take advantage of your ignorance. Many of those that take advantage are wearing badges or robes. Follow the money.

Mook is said with a real love and affection for all my Tnet friends. You are my special little mookie Goldwasher.
Don't take it so hard. It was said to illustrate a point. Now you have a new moniker to add to your list.

Heavy Pans

 

[rodoconnor]

On the Chamber of Commerce of the United States of America site ,on their Sue and Settle Archive link there are a few hundred examples

 

[Goldwasher]

I'm sure me well enough now to know I didn't take actual offense... as I know I am not a MOOK

 

[rodoconnor]

I misread it G/W . I thought he was calling us monks ! Either the detective or religious figures !LOL

 

[63bkpkr]

Thank you gentlemen for all of the data for us to look at, print out and carry with us!

It is a little discussed item however knowledge IS power! Case in point, one Hefty1, after ALL of his mining equipment was ILLEGALLY CONFISCATED by the brown shirts working for the forest service and aided by the local sheriff of the little red dirt town of Foresthill CA, he sat down at his computer and Learned. Once he had compiled all of the statutes of the Federal & State governments as well as the Forest (dis)Service rules & regs he then looked for and found a high up CA Federal governmental representative and educated that rep on the Actual laws for mining and who could do what, the rep sent the brown shirts a letter to return Mr. Hefty1's equipment RIGHT NOW or the Rep would unleash a lot of Actual legal stuff on them. He received all of his equipment back!

Knowledge IS Power and we need to deal in knowledge and search out those governmental officials that will Support us once we've shown them the rules of engagement. Oh, and having a large group of thankful people behind them at Re-election time is not a bad Idea. IF we were to ban together like the Greenies we would be better off, IMHO. It requires us getting involved and staying involved as staying divided and unconsolidated allows the brown shirts to take over. If you want to mine without being harassed please get involved. Look whats happening in Idaho, the people that want to take our rights away are still out there. We should not be complacent with this!! Again, IMHO..........................63bkpkr

See @ TNET Hefty1, Apr 25, 2012

 

[russau]

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[winners58]

Three Federal Registry Notices of Proposed Rule changes to comment on
Endangered and Threatened Species:

Interagency Cooperation;
*this is important the radicals sue saying there is some new information then agencys are forced to do a new EIS
it holds up projects and even puts on hold projects to help endangered species recovery?
https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...on-of-regulations-for-interagency-cooperation

Listing Species and Designating Critical Habitat;
*Habitat has changed or moved might be only a few left in one area but millions other places
but they still lock up resources because it "could" support the critter even though they haven't been seen for a hundred years?
https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...on-of-the-regulations-for-listing-species-and

Revision of Regulations for Prohibitions to Threatened Wildlife and Plants;
*currently not much difference between threatened or endangered
this will help distinguish between 1000k of the species left and maybe its the last 100 pairs?
https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...vision-of-the-regulations-for-prohibitions-to

 

[Goldwasher]

I misread it G/W . I thought he was calling us monks ! Either the detective or religious figures !LOL

OH, MONKS!!

it makes total sense now..

 

[Mad Machinist]

Maybe smarta$$es like me who have REAL degrees can get a word in edgewise now.

Case in point here, the loach minnow. NEVER going to recover here due to the fact that Arizona Game and Fish brought in the Northern Crayfish to Arizona. They are omnivores and eat everything from fish eggs to frog eggs to minnows to plants, you get the idea. Yet miners, OHV users, and the rest of the like are the ones penalized for this mistake.

Lets see where this goes.